Markelle Fultz Discussion

[Baller1234a]

I remember Sixers fans coming onto the Celtics forum saying OK4 was worth 2 BRK picks just a year ago.

Okay.

I’m not saying that was bad
Just showing that all fan bases overvalue their own prospects and picks

[CoreyGallagher]

I remember Sixers fans coming onto the Celtics forum saying OK4 was worth 2 BRK picks just a year ago.

Okay.

I’m not saying that was bad
Just showing that all fan bases overvalue their own prospects and picks

They do, I just can't believe that, specifically. If it did happen, then they were obviously trolling.

[Mik317]

throwing peeps to the wolves hasn't exactly worked well for us if you think about it. Its a bad look because of his status as the 1st overall pick but making moves due to that is counter productive long term. Plus dude isn't fully healthy, hasn;t had the reps, and fits better with the second unit (which lacks scorers).

only bad that comes from this is the smug posters wishing for him to fail having some extra ammo.

[phiphan]

Okay.

I’m not saying that was bad
Just showing that all fan bases overvalue their own prospects and picks

They do, I just can't believe that, specifically. If it did happen, then they were obviously trolling.

idk man there are a lot of dumb people on this board

[CoreyGallagher]

I’m not saying that was bad
Just showing that all fan bases overvalue their own prospects and picks

They do, I just can't believe that, specifically. If it did happen, then they were obviously trolling.

idk man there are a lot of dumb people on this board

I can't believe that dumb without proof that it was suggested seriously.

[Baller1234a]

They do, I just can't believe that, specifically. If it did happen, then they were obviously trolling.

idk man there are a lot of dumb people on this board

I can't believe that dumb without proof.

Does the search function work for mods ...
I’m trying to search and it saying “not available”

[CoreyGallagher]

idk man there are a lot of dumb people on this board

I can't believe that dumb without proof.

Does the search function work for mods ...
I’m trying to search and it saying “not available”

Same issue. Would have liked to read the context, but there is credence in that you were going to search. Hopefully they were just trolling then because I don't want to imagine it seriously.

Still, I understood the overarching point you were making.

[Slartibartfast]

I just went to the Celtics board. Most of them are trashing Fultz lol. When they got the top pick and it looked like they were taking Fultz you couldn’t tell them anything about Fultz. They all mainly said he was the best prospect. Now they are trashing them lol. They are a strange bunch.

I'm still a huge Fultz fan and I'll be watching you guys whenever I get a chance this year.

This move seems like a big coaching mistake from the outside looking in. It would be one thing if Fultz had a good vet to earn his stripes behind but I saw enough of Bayless in his Celtic stint to know he's pretty bad. I think asking Simmons to run point from day 1 is a mistake too.

Makes a lot more sense to me to start Fultz next to Redick and make him the half-court PNR initiator, with Simmons running fast breaks and doing Draymond Green stuff as a short roll man in the halfcourt.

Just my two cents - hoping Fultz takes the starting gig soon so I can enjoy watching you guys.

[Simmons25]

https://deadspin.com/markelle-fultz-joins-anthony-bennett-on-a-very-troublin-1819485684?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

Still, it’s worth noting that since 2003, the only number one overall NBA draft picks who were healthy enough to play who did not open their rookie seasons as starters were Anthony Bennett and Andrea Bargnani. That is not a group you want to be a part of, at all.

Different situation. No correlation

Full disclosure is that I am Celtics fan. Not trolling. Just inquisitive.

From a talent perspective perhaps, I agree with this post. However, I am perplexed and wonder if anyone can help me understand what Philly is doing...

Fultz has admitted his shoulder soreness is impacting his shot and shot mechanics. What I don't understand is why he isn't shut down until his shoulder is healed - whether it just requires rest or some type of procedure. The longer he shoots with screwed up mechanics the harder it may be to correct. I don't see what is to be gained from playing the #1 overall pick with a bum shoulder. Thoughts?

I actually agree to a point. If his shoulder is that bad... do something about it whether that's complete rest or surgery.

I'd rather he miss 2 months and come back fit than put him out there 70% as a rookie and expect him to only drive to the basket and put up free throw shots like a girl to cover the pain he is in. That sort of stuff can ruin careers and confidence early on.

[Simmons25]

I just went to the Celtics board. Most of them are trashing Fultz lol. When they got the top pick and it looked like they were taking Fultz you couldn’t tell them anything about Fultz. They all mainly said he was the best prospect. Now they are trashing them lol. They are a strange bunch.

I'm still a huge Fultz fan and I'll be watching you guys whenever I get a chance this year.

This move seems like a big coaching mistake from the outside looking in. It would be one thing if Fultz had a good vet to earn his stripes behind but I saw enough of Bayless in his Celtic stint to know he's pretty bad. I think asking Simmons to run point from day 1 is a mistake too.

Makes a lot more sense to me to start Fultz next to Redick and make him the half-court PNR initiator, with Simmons running fast breaks and doing Draymond Green stuff as a short roll man in the halfcourt.

Just my two cents - hoping Fultz takes the starting gig soon so I can enjoy watching you guys.

To be honest this makes little sense. Why is it a mistake to ask Simmons to run point from day 1 and not a mistake to ask Fultz to run point from day 1? They are both rookies.

Simmons is well in advance of Fultz at this point both on what plays the team runs (He has literally had 12 months of being taught the playbook) and health and talent wise.

[Slartibartfast]

I just went to the Celtics board. Most of them are trashing Fultz lol. When they got the top pick and it looked like they were taking Fultz you couldn’t tell them anything about Fultz. They all mainly said he was the best prospect. Now they are trashing them lol. They are a strange bunch.

I'm still a huge Fultz fan and I'll be watching you guys whenever I get a chance this year.

This move seems like a big coaching mistake from the outside looking in. It would be one thing if Fultz had a good vet to earn his stripes behind but I saw enough of Bayless in his Celtic stint to know he's pretty bad. I think asking Simmons to run point from day 1 is a mistake too.

Makes a lot more sense to me to start Fultz next to Redick and make him the half-court PNR initiator, with Simmons running fast breaks and doing Draymond Green stuff as a short roll man in the halfcourt.

Just my two cents - hoping Fultz takes the starting gig soon so I can enjoy watching you guys.

To be honest this makes little sense. Why is it a mistake to ask Simmons to run point from day 1 and not a mistake to ask Fultz to run point from day 1? They are both rookies.

Simmons is well in advance of Fultz at this point both on what plays the team runs (He has literally had 12 months of being taught the playbook) and health and talent wise.

Because Fultz has a much better PNR game unless he has completely forgotten how to shoot.

Simmons has no 3 or mid-range - everything has to be downhill and it makes him much easier to guard when he has to start out 25+ feet from the hoop against a set D.

Not that he can't do it, it's just not the best use of his size and skillset.

[Kobblehead]

We ran P&R sets on just 12.3% of our offensive possessions. Which was 2nd fewest in the entire league.

[ivysixer2000]

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Sixer medical staff strikes again. People here saying there is nothing wrong with his shoulder.....they are, well, wrong and could probably get a job with our medical staff. Doesn't make anyone here right about Fultz, he is hurt and we still have the worst medical staff in the league.

Fultz doesn't need to start or come off the bench. He needs surgery, rest, or some sorta rehab. Doesn't need to be on the court at all as a 19 year old hurt rookie.

[Simmons25]

I'm still a huge Fultz fan and I'll be watching you guys whenever I get a chance this year.

This move seems like a big coaching mistake from the outside looking in. It would be one thing if Fultz had a good vet to earn his stripes behind but I saw enough of Bayless in his Celtic stint to know he's pretty bad. I think asking Simmons to run point from day 1 is a mistake too.

Makes a lot more sense to me to start Fultz next to Redick and make him the half-court PNR initiator, with Simmons running fast breaks and doing Draymond Green stuff as a short roll man in the halfcourt.

Just my two cents - hoping Fultz takes the starting gig soon so I can enjoy watching you guys.

To be honest this makes little sense. Why is it a mistake to ask Simmons to run point from day 1 and not a mistake to ask Fultz to run point from day 1? They are both rookies.

Simmons is well in advance of Fultz at this point both on what plays the team runs (He has literally had 12 months of being taught the playbook) and health and talent wise.

Because Fultz has a much better PNR game unless he has completely forgotten how to shoot.

Simmons has no 3 or mid-range - everything has to be downhill and it makes him much easier to guard when he has to start out 25+ feet from the hoop against a set D.

Not that he can't do it, it's just not the best use of his size and skillset.

The no 3 or mid-range is irrelevant because Simmons is not your typical point guard.

There is nothing easy about guarding a 6ft 10" guy that will blow by any big you put on him and get to the rim at will.... and post up any guard you put on him. Even in the small sample size we saw in the pre-season it is obvious Simmons is going to be a match up nightmare playing point. Even Jo-Jo was throwing entry passes into Simmons post ups when the opposition had a smaller player on him... and Simmons was just bullying guys and getting open dunks.

At this point Simmons doesn't need a jump shot. Everyone thought he would because they would just collapse off him and give him space... but they are finding out very quickly giving Simmons space to drive to the basket is going to be buying a ticket to and-1 ville.

[Att]

I really wish we had DSJ and that pick
BC is a genious

[Unbreakable99]

I just went to the Celtics board. Most of them are trashing Fultz lol. When they got the top pick and it looked like they were taking Fultz you couldn’t tell them anything about Fultz. They all mainly said he was the best prospect. Now they are trashing them lol. They are a strange bunch.

In addition every fan base overvalue their prospects/assets
I remember Sixers fans coming onto the Celtics forum saying OK4 was worth 2 BRK picks just a year ago.
Value of assets can change quick.

Please. Celtics fans did an about face as soon as the trade was made. Before the trade Celtics fans were all about Fultz and said he was the best. As soon as the trade was made just about all of them said he was overrated and the trade was the right move. You guys just follow whatever Ainge tells you guys. The Celtics fans look like buffoons changing their tunes so quickly.

[Slartibartfast]

We ran P&R sets on just 12.3% of our offensive possessions. Which was 2nd fewest in the entire league.

Is that more a personnel or a Brett Brown thing?

I probably wouldn't run too much PNR either if my backcourt rotation was Stauskas/McConnell/Henderson.

[GabeCerebro]

I just went to the Celtics board. Most of them are trashing Fultz lol. When they got the top pick and it looked like they were taking Fultz you couldn’t tell them anything about Fultz. They all mainly said he was the best prospect. Now they are trashing them lol. They are a strange bunch.

I'm still a huge Fultz fan and I'll be watching you guys whenever I get a chance this year.

This move seems like a big coaching mistake from the outside looking in. It would be one thing if Fultz had a good vet to earn his stripes behind but I saw enough of Bayless in his Celtic stint to know he's pretty bad. I think asking Simmons to run point from day 1 is a mistake too.

Makes a lot more sense to me to start Fultz next to Redick and make him the half-court PNR initiator, with Simmons running fast breaks and doing Draymond Green stuff as a short roll man in the halfcourt.

Just my two cents - hoping Fultz takes the starting gig soon so I can enjoy watching you guys.

lol not one thing you said is of any accuracy. Stop. Worry about your team underperforming again.

[Unbreakable99]

I just went to the Celtics board. Most of them are trashing Fultz lol. When they got the top pick and it looked like they were taking Fultz you couldn’t tell them anything about Fultz. They all mainly said he was the best prospect. Now they are trashing them lol. They are a strange bunch.

I'm still a huge Fultz fan and I'll be watching you guys whenever I get a chance this year.

This move seems like a big coaching mistake from the outside looking in. It would be one thing if Fultz had a good vet to earn his stripes behind but I saw enough of Bayless in his Celtic stint to know he's pretty bad. I think asking Simmons to run point from day 1 is a mistake too.

Makes a lot more sense to me to start Fultz next to Redick and make him the half-court PNR initiator, with Simmons running fast breaks and doing Draymond Green stuff as a short roll man in the halfcourt.

Just my two cents - hoping Fultz takes the starting gig soon so I can enjoy watching you guys.

Simmons is more advanced than Fultz right now. He's a better PG right now. No reason for Fultz to be the PG when we have Simmons. We'll see if Fultz gets right and gets his shooting form back and can earn the starting job to play off of Simmons. I hope so.

[GabeCerebro]

I just went to the Celtics board. Most of them are trashing Fultz lol. When they got the top pick and it looked like they were taking Fultz you couldn’t tell them anything about Fultz. They all mainly said he was the best prospect. Now they are trashing them lol. They are a strange bunch.

I'm still a huge Fultz fan and I'll be watching you guys whenever I get a chance this year.

This move seems like a big coaching mistake from the outside looking in. It would be one thing if Fultz had a good vet to earn his stripes behind but I saw enough of Bayless in his Celtic stint to know he's pretty bad. I think asking Simmons to run point from day 1 is a mistake too.

Makes a lot more sense to me to start Fultz next to Redick and make him the half-court PNR initiator, with Simmons running fast breaks and doing Draymond Green stuff as a short roll man in the halfcourt.

Just my two cents - hoping Fultz takes the starting gig soon so I can enjoy watching you guys.

To be honest this makes little sense. Why is it a mistake to ask Simmons to run point from day 1 and not a mistake to ask Fultz to run point from day 1? They are both rookies.

Simmons is well in advance of Fultz at this point both on what plays the team runs (He has literally had 12 months of being taught the playbook) and health and talent wise.

No point in responding to him. He's clearly trolling and hasn't seen even a second our preseason games.