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Post#1601 » by Damkac » Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:50 pm

Great decision. If you want JJ on starting lineup he should take Chriss place, not Warren's.
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Post#1602 » by Jdiddy701 » Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:38 pm

Having Chriss and Bender off the bench is not a good idea. Both need a lot of help, intrigued by the starting line up though.


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Post#1604 » by lilfishi22 » Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:11 pm

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lilfishi22 wrote:I still prefer Booker to up his efficiency over his APG at this point in time. So I still want a PG next to him.


Small sample size but this preseason Booker was very efficient with a true shooting percentage about .620 and he had a fairly low turnover percentage. Advanced stats put Len, Warren, Booker, and James as the best players during the preseason. That was my observation too from watching the games.

I like what I've seen from Booker in the preseason. I hope he can keep his TS% above .580 which would put him very close to elite efficiency.
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Post#1605 » by bwgood77 » Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:29 pm

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bigfoot wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:I still prefer Booker to up his efficiency over his APG at this point in time. So I still want a PG next to him.


Small sample size but this preseason Booker was very efficient with a true shooting percentage about .620 and he had a fairly low turnover percentage. Advanced stats put Len, Warren, Booker, and James as the best players during the preseason. That was my observation too from watching the games.

I like what I've seen from Booker in the preseason. I hope he can keep his TS% above .580 which would put him very close to elite efficiency.


I think if Jackson and Warren both start next to him it will probably be easier for Booker to increase his efficiency with so many other options on the floor requiring defensive attention. Hopefully they can both be at least decent 3 pt threats as well.

I believe Booker's efficiency improved last year as it went on, even when he was playing with the likes of Ulis, DJJ, Chriss and Alan Wiliams, at times, meaning all defensive attention was on Booker.

He really needs to take a major step forward this season.
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Post#1606 » by Damkac » Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:37 pm

Jdiddy701 wrote:Having Chriss and Bender off the bench is not a good idea. Both need a lot of help, intrigued by the starting line up though.


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Let's start Warren and Jackson then in about the middle of 1st quarter sent TJ to the bench and bring Chriss. This way you can show Warren respect and still play him a lot in with the bench squad while Chriss plays with starters.
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Post#1607 » by SideSwipe » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:16 am

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Jdiddy701 wrote:Having Chriss and Bender off the bench is not a good idea. Both need a lot of help, intrigued by the starting line up though.


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Let's start Warren and Jackson then in about the middle of 1st quarter sent TJ to the bench and bring Chriss. This way you can show Warren respect and still play him a lot in with the bench squad while Chriss plays with starters.


I love Jackson, but I would start out by doing a 6 min sub of Jackson for Chriss to get Jackson more burn with the 2nd unit to work on ball-handling. Let him run the 2nd unit when Bled goes out until Ulis comes back really solid.

You need to give Jackson a chance to lead a unit to do a "try before you buy" to see if Jackson and Booker can live without Bledsoe in the backcourt. On the flipside we will need to see how Jackson and Booker can defend opposing 1's. I would put Jackson out there and let him show the world what he can do on all the PG's in the West. Let him succeed or fail, but start out doing it against 2nd units.
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Post#1608 » by lilfishi22 » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:28 am

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bigfoot wrote:
Small sample size but this preseason Booker was very efficient with a true shooting percentage about .620 and he had a fairly low turnover percentage. Advanced stats put Len, Warren, Booker, and James as the best players during the preseason. That was my observation too from watching the games.

I like what I've seen from Booker in the preseason. I hope he can keep his TS% above .580 which would put him very close to elite efficiency.


I think if Jackson and Warren both start next to him it will probably be easier for Booker to increase his efficiency with so many other options on the floor requiring defensive attention. Hopefully they can both be at least decent 3 pt threats as well.

I believe Booker's efficiency improved last year as it went on, even when he was playing with the likes of Ulis, DJJ, Chriss and Alan Wiliams, at times, meaning all defensive attention was on Booker.

He really needs to take a major step forward this season.

I really just want to see more ball movement. Not having Booker ISO every second possession should do wonders for his efficiency. I think having a guy like Jackson who can do a bit of everything, as well as Warren who himself is a high efficiency player will also help Booker.
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Re: Trade & FA Ideas & Discussion 

Post#1609 » by bigfoot » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:49 am

lilfishi22 wrote:
bigfoot wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:I still prefer Booker to up his efficiency over his APG at this point in time. So I still want a PG next to him.


Small sample size but this preseason Booker was very efficient with a true shooting percentage about .620 and he had a fairly low turnover percentage. Advanced stats put Len, Warren, Booker, and James as the best players during the preseason. That was my observation too from watching the games.

I like what I've seen from Booker in the preseason. I hope he can keep his TS% above .580 which would put him very close to elite efficiency.


No he really needs to be above .600 and maybe above .620 to be considered elite. He shot a ridiculous percentage for three pointers in preseason but his two point percentage was pathetic and needs to improve and he needs to continue to get a high number of free throws per game and shoot above .900.

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Post#1610 » by JMac1 » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:39 am

SideSwipe wrote:
JMac1 wrote:Finally, people are finally coming around to letting Booker run the Point. I said that after the Miami game his rookie year and people blasted me for it.......Oh well. I'm always ahead of the curve. Always thought passing was more effective then running the ball too....took the NFL 35 years to figure it out.


You will note that you were not alone in this since his rookie season. In basketball you have to figure out how to create advantages, and a guy who handles as well as Book does, and shoots as well as he does will attract a lot of attention with the ball in his hand. That will create opportunities from the top of the key, on the break and in the post. That is a very exploitable advantage for a young team, also. It will be even better if Jackson can share those duties, though he will need to work on his passing/TO skills a bit. That lineup will need a killer rebounder, though. Board to Chandler, outlet to Booker, Finish to Jackson.


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Post#1611 » by JMac1 » Tue Oct 17, 2017 5:00 am

As long as JJ is starting...I'm good!
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Re: Trade & FA Ideas & Discussion 

Post#1612 » by King4Day » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:37 pm

The San Antonio Spurs and LaMarcus Aldridge have agreed upon a three-year, $72.3 million contract extension.

Aldridge's deal contains a partial guarantee in the final year of the deal.

Aldridge could have become a free agent in 2018.

Gregg Popovich and Aldridge cleared the air during camp after he was involved in trade rumors in the offseason.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/247746/LaMarcus-Aldridge-Agrees-Upon-Three-Year-$723M-Extension-With-Spurs


Did I miss something? I thought Aldridge was a terrible fit for them and wasn't performing well anymore. Of all teams, it surprises me the Spurs would give him that extension.
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Post#1613 » by Mulhollanddrive » Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:15 pm

Just love the thought of Booker and Jackson playing 30 minutes together.

They have everything covered as a wing combo so the other 3 positions can be flexible.

Maybe Chriss comes in early for Chandler (6-7 minutes) and that's our majority minutes lineup.
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Post#1614 » by Qwigglez » Tue Oct 17, 2017 2:08 pm

DarkHawk wrote:
The San Antonio Spurs and LaMarcus Aldridge have agreed upon a three-year, $72.3 million contract extension.

Aldridge's deal contains a partial guarantee in the final year of the deal.

Aldridge could have become a free agent in 2018.

Gregg Popovich and Aldridge cleared the air during camp after he was involved in trade rumors in the offseason.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/247746/LaMarcus-Aldridge-Agrees-Upon-Three-Year-$723M-Extension-With-Spurs


Did I miss something? I thought Aldridge was a terrible fit for them and wasn't performing well anymore. Of all teams, it surprises me the Spurs would give him that extension.


He had a really good conversation with Pop about his role on the team a couple weeks ago. Looks like it was enough to land an extension. The link is funny though, because it looks like he got a $723million extension.
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Post#1615 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Tue Oct 17, 2017 3:32 pm

SideSwipe wrote:
Damkac wrote:
Jdiddy701 wrote:Having Chriss and Bender off the bench is not a good idea. Both need a lot of help, intrigued by the starting line up though.


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Let's start Warren and Jackson then in about the middle of 1st quarter sent TJ to the bench and bring Chriss. This way you can show Warren respect and still play him a lot in with the bench squad while Chriss plays with starters.


I love Jackson, but I would start out by doing a 6 min sub of Jackson for Chriss to get Jackson more burn with the 2nd unit to work on ball-handling. Let him run the 2nd unit when Bled goes out until Ulis comes back really solid.

You need to give Jackson a chance to lead a unit to do a "try before you buy" to see if Jackson and Booker can live without Bledsoe in the backcourt. On the flipside we will need to see how Jackson and Booker can defend opposing 1's. I would put Jackson out there and let him show the world what he can do on all the PG's in the West. Let him succeed or fail, but start out doing it against 2nd units.


I would take TJ out first so he can lead the second unit. Between JJ and TJ, I think TJ is the one who is better able to carry on offense. Problem is, Len and Bender seem to have outplayed Chriss. And you're not removing Chriss from the rotation. So our bench squad becomes Ulis-Bender-Chriss-Len, w/Daniels as the 10th? Doesn't work.
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Post#1616 » by bwgood77 » Tue Oct 17, 2017 3:46 pm

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SideSwipe wrote:
Damkac wrote:Let's start Warren and Jackson then in about the middle of 1st quarter sent TJ to the bench and bring Chriss. This way you can show Warren respect and still play him a lot in with the bench squad while Chriss plays with starters.


I love Jackson, but I would start out by doing a 6 min sub of Jackson for Chriss to get Jackson more burn with the 2nd unit to work on ball-handling. Let him run the 2nd unit when Bled goes out until Ulis comes back really solid.

You need to give Jackson a chance to lead a unit to do a "try before you buy" to see if Jackson and Booker can live without Bledsoe in the backcourt. On the flipside we will need to see how Jackson and Booker can defend opposing 1's. I would put Jackson out there and let him show the world what he can do on all the PG's in the West. Let him succeed or fail, but start out doing it against 2nd units.


I would take TJ out first so he can lead the second unit. Between JJ and TJ, I think TJ is the one who is better able to carry on offense. Problem is, Len and Bender seem to have outplayed Chriss. And you're not removing Chriss from the rotation. So our bench squad becomes Ulis-Bender-Chriss-Len, w/Daniels as the 10th? Doesn't work.


Seems like Bender or Chriss would play better with Tyson out there (and most of the starters). I would probably start Len if TJ and JJ both start and let Tyson be the vet out there with the second unit. I don't think we will really play entire units outside of who starts though, so it will likely be staggering people so some of the young raw guys (Bender, Chriss still the youngest) can play with more vet players when they are out there and not much together, at least yet....maybe and hopefully moreso later in the season.
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Post#1617 » by nevetsov » Tue Oct 17, 2017 5:51 pm

Bledsoe, Booker, Jackson, Warren, Len

Ulis, Daniels, DJJ, Bender, Chriss

Done deal.
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Post#1618 » by SideSwipe » Tue Oct 17, 2017 6:22 pm

cosmofizzo wrote:
SideSwipe wrote:
Damkac wrote:Let's start Warren and Jackson then in about the middle of 1st quarter sent TJ to the bench and bring Chriss. This way you can show Warren respect and still play him a lot in with the bench squad while Chriss plays with starters.


I love Jackson, but I would start out by doing a 6 min sub of Jackson for Chriss to get Jackson more burn with the 2nd unit to work on ball-handling. Let him run the 2nd unit when Bled goes out until Ulis comes back really solid.

You need to give Jackson a chance to lead a unit to do a "try before you buy" to see if Jackson and Booker can live without Bledsoe in the backcourt. On the flipside we will need to see how Jackson and Booker can defend opposing 1's. I would put Jackson out there and let him show the world what he can do on all the PG's in the West. Let him succeed or fail, but start out doing it against 2nd units.


I would take TJ out first so he can lead the second unit. Between JJ and TJ, I think TJ is the one who is better able to carry on offense. Problem is, Len and Bender seem to have outplayed Chriss. And you're not removing Chriss from the rotation. So our bench squad becomes Ulis-Bender-Chriss-Len, w/Daniels as the 10th? Doesn't work.


The lineups we throw out are really a visual simplification of the in and out dance that is 2nd unit vs first unit. Jackson comes out early (6 min, then back at 3min.) to get more burn with the 2nd unit, Warren gets more burn with the first unit. Minutes should still equal up right. Also, Len splits time with Chandler at center 24/24 with Chriss and Bender getting the backup 3/4 mins. Ulis is the one that loses out here, but he is still making his way back. You say TJ can carry the offense more, that's maybe true, but the point of having Jackson get burn with the 2nd unit is to see if he can run the PG or at least dramatically improve his turnovers and decision making. the "2nd" unit I would see running is a lineup of Jackson/Daniels/Bender/Chriss/Len. Gives him 3 3pt threats and a finisher to pass to. That lineup would get roughly 12 total game minutes together between 1-2, and 3-4.
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Post#1619 » by bwgood77 » Tue Oct 17, 2017 6:37 pm

Between the Booker/Kaminsky thing and this viewtopic.php?f=68&t=1415790&p=59195237#p59194751 our team isn't getting much respect.
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Post#1620 » by Villalobos » Tue Oct 17, 2017 7:07 pm

Who cares what other fans think about the Suns? Whether the Suns are terribad or not, the only reason I read the GB type boards here is to see how all the kneejerk hottakes and predictions will be wrong in a month to a year. The only place on the net with dumber basketball opinions may be r/NBA.

Like, who gives a **** a Nets fan of all people is taking shots at the Suns?

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