2017 Hawks Offseason Thread

macd-gm · Post #841 » by **macd-gm** » Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:25 pm

Taylor is lightning quick, with the ability to get anywhere he wants to go on the floor with a high-level first step. He shot 45.7 percent from deep in 25 games in the G League, but on just 94 total shots, the jury is still out on his ability to knock down shots from deep

Agreed that a half a season of shooting well doesn't mean everything but shooting 45% on 94 3 point attempts is pretty promising. I'm never a big believer that Gleague guys will become rotation players but seems like Taylor has a lot of tools. I'm starting to feel like Schlenk is not a Delaney fan.

Post #842 » by **Jamaaliver** » Tue Oct 17, 2017 2:54 pm

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this is...whew.

Some collection of talent we have put together this offseason.

macd-gm · Post #843 » by **macd-gm** » Tue Oct 17, 2017 3:01 pm

Starting 2 undrafted players. That has to be pretty unique.

Post #844 » by **Jamaaliver** » Tue Oct 17, 2017 3:04 pm

^I'm trying to be optimistic about what this group could accomplish.

(Yeah, really.)

But, ummm...objectively, this is a straight tank roster, right?

jayu70 · Post #845 » by **jayu70** » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:41 pm

Can't have it both ways. This is what happens when you start with a team that has been in the playoffs a long time and not drafting high. TAnking, rebuilding call it whatever. Hawks are starting over with this young group of core players.
Hawks haven't had a lottery pick (their own) in the last 10 years.

Awhile back we had the #2, #3, #5, 2- #10s picks on this team.

macd-gm · Post #846 » by **macd-gm** » Tue Oct 17, 2017 5:56 pm

It is a tanking roster, especially after we trade the vets. BUT
- if you believe Dwight is addition by subtraction or that Dedmon will be a better fit
- if you believe Hardaway's impact can be essentially replaced by Marco

then the only difference between this year's team and last year's is Sap is a lot better than Ersan. Is he 15 wins better?

Post #847 » by **ATL Boy** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:55 am

macd-gm wrote:It is a tanking roster, especially after we trade the vets. BUT
- if you believe Dwight is addition by subtraction or that Dedmon will be a better fit
- if you believe Hardaway's impact can be essentially replaced by Marco

then the only difference between this year's team and last year's is Sap is a lot better than Ersan. Is he 15 wins better?

He is a lot better, mostly because he's a defensive anchor for a team whereas the only contribution Ilyasova has on defense is taking charges.

But we also have to take into account Prince's jump in play going from a rookie to a second year player, same with Bembry. Then you have Bazemore who can only go up from last year's performance. Schroeder should make a jump as he's just entering his prime, what if he makes an Isaiah Thomas-like quantum leap? Not to mention the addition of John Collins, who should contribute as a rookie.

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macd-gm · Post #848 » by **macd-gm** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:45 pm

ATL Boy wrote:
macd-gm wrote:It is a tanking roster, especially after we trade the vets. BUT
- if you believe Dwight is addition by subtraction or that Dedmon will be a better fit
- if you believe Hardaway's impact can be essentially replaced by Marco

then the only difference between this year's team and last year's is Sap is a lot better than Ersan. Is he 15 wins better?

He is a lot better, mostly because he's a defensive anchor for a team whereas the only contribution Ilyasova has on defense is taking charges.

But we also have to take into account Prince's jump in play going from a rookie to a second year player, same with Bembry. Then you have Bazemore who can only go up from last year's performance. Schroeder should make a jump as he's just entering his prime, what if he makes an Isaiah Thomas-like quantum leap? Not to mention the addition of John Collins, who should contribute as a rookie.

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Exactly. So given those possibilities, is this team actually better than last year's?

Post #849 » by **ATL Boy** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:51 pm

macd-gm wrote:
ATL Boy wrote:
macd-gm wrote:It is a tanking roster, especially after we trade the vets. BUT
- if you believe Dwight is addition by subtraction or that Dedmon will be a better fit
- if you believe Hardaway's impact can be essentially replaced by Marco

then the only difference between this year's team and last year's is Sap is a lot better than Ersan. Is he 15 wins better?

He is a lot better, mostly because he's a defensive anchor for a team whereas the only contribution Ilyasova has on defense is taking charges.

But we also have to take into account Prince's jump in play going from a rookie to a second year player, same with Bembry. Then you have Bazemore who can only go up from last year's performance. Schroeder should make a jump as he's just entering his prime, what if he makes an Isaiah Thomas-like quantum leap? Not to mention the addition of John Collins, who should contribute as a rookie.

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Exactly. So given those possibilities, is this team actually better than last year's?

I would really like to talk myself into believing it is, but we'd need everything to go right for that to come to fruition.

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macd-gm · Post #850 » by **macd-gm** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:55 pm

ATL Boy wrote:
macd-gm wrote:
ATL Boy wrote:He is a lot better, mostly because he's a defensive anchor for a team whereas the only contribution Ilyasova has on defense is taking charges.

But we also have to take into account Prince's jump in play going from a rookie to a second year player, same with Bembry. Then you have Bazemore who can only go up from last year's performance. Schroeder should make a jump as he's just entering his prime, what if he makes an Isaiah Thomas-like quantum leap? Not to mention the addition of John Collins, who should contribute as a rookie.

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Exactly. So given those possibilities, is this team actually better than last year's?

I would really like to talk myself into believing it is, but we'd need everything to go right for that to come to fruition.

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I honestly think it could be a better team but as we've talked to death, they will ensure that doesn't happen by playing the young guys. Back to the original point, i don't think this roster is necessarily that bad on paper, or not as bad as it looks. I think the easy part of us making the lottery though are that we will start off terrible. Wouldn't surprise me to drop most of our first 10 and then toward the end of the season it will be rookie time so we'll stink then too.

Post #851 » by **Jamaaliver** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:06 pm

macd-gm wrote:...i don't think this roster is necessarily that bad on paper, or not as bad as it looks.

You, my friend, are a true optimist then. I acknowledge that the team is likely better constructed than last season. (More shooting, faster players.)

But this collection of players looks like one of the least talented I've ever seen.

On our entire squad, Dennis is the only starting caliber player. Maybe Taurean. Everyone else would be solid or fringe bench players at best.

I honestly didn't think it was this bad til I saw the roster broken down. It is ugly.

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macd-gm · Post #852 » by **macd-gm** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:42 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
macd-gm wrote:...i don't think this roster is necessarily that bad on paper, or not as bad as it looks.

You, my friend, are a true optimist then. I acknowledge that the team is likely better constructed than last season. (More shooting, faster players.)

But this collection of players looks like one of the least talented I've ever seen.

On our entire squad, Dennis is the only starting caliber player. Maybe Taurean. Everyone else would be solid or fringe bench players at best.

I honestly didn't think it was this bad til I saw the roster broken down. It is ugly.

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I don't disagree with any of that. All I'm saying is compared to last year's team. And if we're judging on draft position then only Dwight added any pedigree last year. Tim was 24th and Sap was 2nd round. I guess what i'm saying more than anything is it's a friggin miracle that last year's team was 5th in east. Truly horrible shooting, disjointed offense with dwight sitting at the end of a lot of games and basically we're playing small ball to finish. A bench of Delaney, Baze, Thabo, Dunleavy, Moose. I mean look at that. Horrible.

macd-gm · Post #853 » by **macd-gm** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:19 pm

The weird thing about this team is that we really only have one true SF and that's Prince. With our offense it doesn't much matter but defending the better 3s of the league will be a tall order for Baze, Babbit, or Bembry who are our only other options. Prince is going to log a lot of minutes.

jayu70 · Post #854 » by **jayu70** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:01 pm

macd-gm wrote:
ATL Boy wrote:
macd-gm wrote:It is a tanking roster, especially after we trade the vets. BUT
- if you believe Dwight is addition by subtraction or that Dedmon will be a better fit
- if you believe Hardaway's impact can be essentially replaced by Marco

then the only difference between this year's team and last year's is Sap is a lot better than Ersan. Is he 15 wins better?

He is a lot better, mostly because he's a defensive anchor for a team whereas the only contribution Ilyasova has on defense is taking charges.

But we also have to take into account Prince's jump in play going from a rookie to a second year player, same with Bembry. Then you have Bazemore who can only go up from last year's performance. Schroeder should make a jump as he's just entering his prime, what if he makes an Isaiah Thomas-like quantum leap? Not to mention the addition of John Collins, who should contribute as a rookie.

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Exactly. So given those possibilities, is this team actually better than last year's?

I don't see Dwight as a defensive anchor, he's your rim protection, that's it.
He can't guard the OnR, can't set a decent screen, isn't quarterbacking your defense and calling out switches, etc. Wasn't mobile enough and struggled as a team defender.
Rim protection - that's his specialty.

Post #855 » by **ATL Boy** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:07 pm

jayu70 wrote:
macd-gm wrote:
ATL Boy wrote:He is a lot better, mostly because he's a defensive anchor for a team whereas the only contribution Ilyasova has on defense is taking charges.

But we also have to take into account Prince's jump in play going from a rookie to a second year player, same with Bembry. Then you have Bazemore who can only go up from last year's performance. Schroeder should make a jump as he's just entering his prime, what if he makes an Isaiah Thomas-like quantum leap? Not to mention the addition of John Collins, who should contribute as a rookie.

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Exactly. So given those possibilities, is this team actually better than last year's?

I don't see Dwight as a defensive anchor, he's your rim protection, that's it.
He can't guard the OnR, can't set a decent screen, isn't quarterbacking your defense and calling out switches, etc. Wasn't mobile enough and struggled as a team defender.
Rim protection - that's his specialty.

I was talking about Millsap as our defensive anchor in comparison to Ilyasova.

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Post #856 » by **ATL Boy** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:07 pm

jayu70 wrote:
macd-gm wrote:
ATL Boy wrote:He is a lot better, mostly because he's a defensive anchor for a team whereas the only contribution Ilyasova has on defense is taking charges.

But we also have to take into account Prince's jump in play going from a rookie to a second year player, same with Bembry. Then you have Bazemore who can only go up from last year's performance. Schroeder should make a jump as he's just entering his prime, what if he makes an Isaiah Thomas-like quantum leap? Not to mention the addition of John Collins, who should contribute as a rookie.

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Exactly. So given those possibilities, is this team actually better than last year's?

I don't see Dwight as a defensive anchor, he's your rim protection, that's it.
He can't guard the OnR, can't set a decent screen, isn't quarterbacking your defense and calling out switches, etc. Wasn't mobile enough and struggled as a team defender.
Rim protection - that's his specialty.

I was talking about Millsap as our defensive anchor in comparison to Ilyasova.

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jayu70 · Post #857 » by **jayu70** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:24 pm

ATL Boy wrote:
jayu70 wrote:
macd-gm wrote:
Exactly. So given those possibilities, is this team actually better than last year's?

I don't see Dwight as a defensive anchor, he's your rim protection, that's it.
He can't guard the OnR, can't set a decent screen, isn't quarterbacking your defense and calling out switches, etc. Wasn't mobile enough and struggled as a team defender.
Rim protection - that's his spyecialty.

I was talking about Millsap as our defensive anchor in comparison to Ilyasova.

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Now that makes sense, ooops.

jayu70 · Post #858 » by **jayu70** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:09 pm

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Post #859 » by **Jamaaliver** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:27 pm

^Someone is getting a demotion.

But I like it. A specialist to manage the minutiae of the cap.

I hope Jeff Peterson is safe.

Spud2nique · Post #860 » by **Spud2nique** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 4:08 pm

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Kg won't approve Michelle for the job...

Maybe a homemade leftover thanksgiving open face turkey sandwich would be nice...

Abs aren't the only things made in the kitchen..:-|

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