Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 1

[NavLDO]

Stupid, Stupid, Stupid, Stupid, Stupid!!!

I'm so sick of Watson's favoritism. There is absolutely ZERO, and I mean ZERO reasoning for starting Chandler over Len. So Len, is going to be flailing yet again, in mediocrity, or worse, all due to Watson's 'buddy-buddy' relationship with Chandler.

I hope Len requests a trade by mid-season, and is granted one, where we get, like, a 2021 2nd Rd pick, and he BLOWS UP, to the tune of like 15/12/2 Blks in 30MPG, because some other team's starting C got injured or something. Watson's an idiot if he starts Chandler over Len...unless, of course, he's trying to lose. I hope every media outlet makes a big deal out of it, wonders why the heck Watson started a decrepit, 35YO Chandler, who last year avg'd a whopping .5 Blks per 28 MPG.

I don't care that Len has 'hands of stone'; we need some friggin' defense in the paint, and we aren't going to start Len next to Warren? I love Warren, but Warren and Chandler has our 'Bigs'? I actually thought we might have a chance to dig out from under the cellar this season, but nope, not if Watson's plan is to start Chandler over Len. What else does Len have to do then what he did in pre-season?

Other than that, I like the JJ/Warren starting at the 3/4, but again, unless Watson wakes the F up, we're going to get destroyed.

Uh....hold your horses, i think you missed this:

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Uh, ok, egg on face...ha ha...

I guess it's time to...

[NavLDO]

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Stupid, Stupid, Stupid, Stupid, Stupid!!!

I'm so sick of Watson's favoritism. There is absolutely ZERO, and I mean ZERO reasoning for starting Chandler over Len. So Len, is going to be flailing yet again, in mediocrity, or worse, all due to Watson's 'buddy-buddy' relationship with Chandler.

I hope Len requests a trade by mid-season, and is granted one, where we get, like, a 2021 2nd Rd pick, and he BLOWS UP, to the tune of like 15/12/2 Blks in 30MPG, because some other team's starting C got injured or something. Watson's an idiot if he starts Chandler over Len...unless, of course, he's trying to lose. I hope every media outlet makes a big deal out of it, wonders why the heck Watson started a decrepit, 35YO Chandler, who last year avg'd a whopping .5 Blks per 28 MPG.

I don't care that Len has 'hands of stone'; we need some friggin' defense in the paint, and we aren't going to start Len next to Warren? I love Warren, but Warren and Chandler has our 'Bigs'? I actually thought we might have a chance to dig out from under the cellar this season, but nope, not if Watson's plan is to start Chandler over Len. What else does Len have to do then what he did in pre-season?

Other than that, I like the JJ/Warren starting at the 3/4, but again, unless Watson wakes the F up, we're going to get destroyed.

Alex, what did we say about using fake accounts to defend yourself?

Hey, nobody else will stand up for me...It's like my Dad taught me, "take care of yourself, because no one else will"...

I will say, I hope whichever one of you developed a fake account, whose real identity is Watson, read the above, because when I am back healthy, I need to be a starter!

[NavLDO]

Really want to see Len get every opportunity to play and I believe Watson/McD probably know this.

Side note: McD goes to same gym I go to (he goes to the Village at 44th and Camelback) and I'm gonna talk to him if stuff goes sideways lol (as if my opinion will matter)


Dream scenario:

Core:
Booker
Jackson
Bender
Chriss
Ulis
Warren


I want 2 picks in the top 5 and I'm willing to move anyone not named Jackson/Booker/Warren for them. I want Bagley and Ayton badly for our future starting 5.

Imagine a core 4 of Booker jackson Bagley and Ayton. You would need an ok point guard and that team is phenonemal.

FIFY

I still don't understand anyone who has a 'love affair' with Booker, yet dismiss Warren so easily. We just got him on a fantastic deal for another 4 years AFTER this year. Statistically, one of the most productive players on this team.

To me, Warren needs to stay every bit as much as Jackson and Booker.

[jcsunsfan]

Really want to see Len get every opportunity to play and I believe Watson/McD probably know this.

Side note: McD goes to same gym I go to (he goes to the Village at 44th and Camelback) and I'm gonna talk to him if stuff goes sideways lol (as if my opinion will matter)


Dream scenario:

Core:
Booker
Jackson
Bender
Chriss
Ulis
Warren


I want 2 picks in the top 5 and I'm willing to move anyone not named Jackson/Booker/Warren for them. I want Bagley and Ayton badly for our future starting 5.

Imagine a core 4 of Booker jackson Bagley and Ayton. You would need an ok point guard and that team is phenonemal.

FIFY

I still don't understand anyone who has a 'love affair' with Booker, yet dismiss Warren so easily. We just got him on a fantastic deal for another 4 years AFTER this year. Statistically, one of the most productive players on this team.

To me, Warren needs to stay every bit as much as Jackson and Booker.

I would move Warren. He is a good player and I like him, but he is by no means on the untouchable level.

However. One of those players would be fine with me. One of those plus a star vet is the combo I would like.


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[bwgood77]

I would move Warren. He is a good player and I like him, but he is by no means on the untouchable level.

However. One of those players would be fine with me. One of those plus a star vet is the combo I would like.


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Move him just to move him? I don't think he has particularly a lot of trade value so we'd probably be taking a similar contract back, which I'm guessing would be a worse player. Just not a fan?

[jcsunsfan]

I would move Warren. He is a good player and I like him, but he is by no means on the untouchable level.

However. One of those players would be fine with me. One of those plus a star vet is the combo I would like.


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Move him just to move him? I don't think he has particularly a lot of trade value so we'd probably be taking a similar contract back, which I'm guessing would be a worse player. Just not a fan?

No. I like Warren and I would not move him just to move him. I think he does have significant trade value. Other GM's know what is going on, even if fans and sports media do not. I am not opposed to moving him if the deal is right.

[Saberestar]

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[Revived]

Len is already showing why he was unable to get the type of contract offer him and his agent wanted....extremely fragile player that can't be relied upon to stay healthy at all.

[bwgood77]

I would move Warren. He is a good player and I like him, but he is by no means on the untouchable level.

However. One of those players would be fine with me. One of those plus a star vet is the combo I would like.


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Move him just to move him? I don't think he has particularly a lot of trade value so we'd probably be taking a similar contract back, which I'm guessing would be a worse player. Just not a fan?

No. I like Warren and I would not move him just to move him. I think he does have significant trade value. Other GM's know what is going on, even if fans and sports media do not. I am not opposed to moving him if the deal is right.

I guess I don't think he has as much value because teams value 3 pt shooting and 3&D guys and without watching him every night and knowing the details behind his slumps will leave his numbers looking worse than they otherwise should be. And being that we are among one of the worst offensive teams and have terrible offensive efficiency, he is fairly valuable to us.

Also, he is good without the ball in his hands and with a couple of players who iso a lot it is nice having someone who isn't ball dominant yet can score a lot at good efficiency. I'm also interested to see if he starts off with such a high steal rate like he did last year and continues to improve as a rebounder. And of course, most efficiently, how his defense and 3 pt shooting comes along.

[carey]

Where's the game day thread!?

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Len is already showing why he was unable to get the type of contract offer him and his agent wanted....extremely fragile player that can't be relied upon to stay healthy at all.

It is amazing how strong first impressions can be. Here is the list starting centers who played more regular season games than Alex during the last two years:

M. Gortat
S. Adams
K. Towns
D. Jordan
A. Drummond
T. Thompson
R. Lopez

Seven. Out of thirty. Alex has put in a ton of work to become a durable player, and yet!

[Weemsickew14]

I can see Tj easily averaging 20+ ppg for a long time. Trading him on the contract he has would be a massive mistake (depending on the return of course).

[Saberestar]

In an interview on Arizona Sports 98.7 FM Managing General Partner Robert Sarver said he spoke to the Suns' players on Wednesday and expressed his hope Phoenix will have a winning record and compete for a playoff spot.

The Suns won 24 games last season.

"It is a big improvement but I think setting aggressive and realistic goals is important," Sarver said.

"If we win 24 games again this year that would be disappointing for me."

https://amp.azcentral.com/amp/774325001

[m1chal]

Disappointing, huh? Ryan and Earl, take notice.

(OK, I'd be disappointed as well if there is no progress)

[lilfishi22]

So much for the "timeline"

[NavLDO]

Really want to see Len get every opportunity to play and I believe Watson/McD probably know this.

Side note: McD goes to same gym I go to (he goes to the Village at 44th and Camelback) and I'm gonna talk to him if stuff goes sideways lol (as if my opinion will matter)


Dream scenario:

Core:
Booker
Jackson
Bender
Chriss
Ulis
Warren


I want 2 picks in the top 5 and I'm willing to move anyone not named Jackson/Booker/Warren for them. I want Bagley and Ayton badly for our future starting 5.

Imagine a core 4 of Booker jackson Bagley and Ayton. You would need an ok point guard and that team is phenonemal.

FIFY

I still don't understand anyone who has a 'love affair' with Booker, yet dismiss Warren so easily. We just got him on a fantastic deal for another 4 years AFTER this year. Statistically, one of the most productive players on this team.

To me, Warren needs to stay every bit as much as Jackson and Booker.

I would move Warren. He is a good player and I like him, but he is by no means on the untouchable level.

However. One of those players would be fine with me. One of those plus a star vet is the combo I would like.


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And we are all, of course, entitled to our opinions; I just do not understand why anyone else would be untouchable either, considering there is not a single other player, other than Bledsoe, who is a better overall player than Warren. Booker certainly isn't. He's flashier, and shoots a better 3 ball (barely, over his career), but Warren provides every bit the level of impact, and more, than Booker does, for the Suns, and his 4.1 WP proves that, along with about every other advanced stat.

Of course, stats don't tell the whole story, but c'mon, some of what Booker puts up is absolutely abysmal for a SG who's gets all the accolades that he does. Just look at him compared to some other SGs early in their careers (+ Warren last year),

http://bkref.com/tiny/BSSsg

While offensively, he may be somewhat on par with a couple; defensively, he's not close to anyone but Wiggins...yeah, that bad. Anyway, WS, he's about half of everyone else. I just do not think he should be anymore 'off-the-table' than Warren, because face it, were it not for the fact that he's uber-charasmatic, I doubt, based solely on his play that we'd be that gung-ho about keeping him over Warren.

[Kerrsed]

So much for the "timeline"

Im sure that McD and Sarver probably had different views when it came to #TheTimeline, and McD talked him into it, but Sarver is going to Sarver, and go back to his "Money 1st and foremost" mode. He was perfectly fine with #TheTimeline when it was the new buzzword and was helping promote Suns Basketball and sell early tickets. Now that thats over and done with, he's flipped the script once again.

We sucked last season, and got a great player in the draft. All signs point to us sucking again this season, which is fine as it the last year that teams like us can get away with stacking up losses for the top pick in what is being looked at as a top heavy draft (Top 5).

Take advantage of it while we still can. We are only another young drafted star away from really putting everything together.

[NavLDO]

Len is already showing why he was unable to get the type of contract offer him and his agent wanted....extremely fragile player that can't be relied upon to stay healthy at all.

69
78
77

Those are the amount of games he has played in the past 3 seasons, in order. If that's extremely fragile, than shoot, 90% of the league is 'extremely fragile'. Just because Watson 'plays favorites' and chooses to play Chandler and Big Sauce over Alex, does not mean that Len is 'fragile'.

[bwgood77]

Sarver has to tell them he hopes they have a winning season and will compete before the playoffs. What else is an owner going to say. "I hope to get a top 5 pick" or "I hope we can win 30 games".

You WANT players that want and have a goal to win. Due to the toughness of the west and the vets added by the Kings and Lakers, it will be tough, but obviously the players need to believe they can win against anyone.

They need to stay focused. It's not always easy for teams to do so when they are likely to be pretty bad.

[lilfishi22]

So much for the "timeline"

Im sure that McD and Sarver probably had different views when it came to #TheTimeline, and McD talked him into it, but Sarver is going to Sarver, and go back to his "Money 1st and foremost" mode. He was perfectly fine with #TheTimeline when it was the new buzzword and was helping promote Suns Basketball and sell early tickets. Now that thats over and done with, he's flipped the script once again.

We sucked last season, and got a great player in the draft. All signs point to us sucking again this season, which is fine as it the last year that teams like us can get away with stacking up losses for the top pick in what is being looked at as a top heavy draft (Top 5).

Take advantage of it while we still can. We are only another young drafted star away from really putting everything together.

If this means we're looking at a more competent coach then I'm all for it. I'd like to see someone who can come in and actually build a system where our developing young players can maximise their capabilities.