"A Nation Divided, Sports United" ~ The Equality & Other Issues Thread

[theman]

This thread has gotten a little off track so I would like to see if someone can answer a question for me.

How is offending people supposed to bring people over to your way of thinking?

[KGboss]

Trump has dementia. Spent all morning tweeting about Hillary. The election was a year ago bruh. Move on like a bad ex

How long did obama blame Bush?

Did Obama blame bush specifically? Did Obama go on for a year about a campaign with McCain?

[fallguy]

This thread has gotten a little off track so I would like to see if someone can answer a question for me.

How is offending people supposed to bring people over to your way of thinking?

Offending people isn't the primary goal of most protest actions. Raising awareness and provoking conversation and change are the points. Sure - some may be offended but that's healthy in a debate and discussion, particularly about issues of importance. It's basically unavoidable.

If someone receives something like the recent anthem protests primarily as offensive, without focusing on the reasons behind them and the larger societal issues that need addressing, they have lost perspective on what's most important. They probably need to think harder about the why of the protest rather than just reacting emotionally to the how.

[theman]

This thread has gotten a little off track so I would like to see if someone can answer a question for me.

How is offending people supposed to bring people over to your way of thinking?

Offending people isn't the primary goal of most protest actions. Raising awareness and provoking conversation and change are the points. Sure - some may be offended but that's healthy in a debate and discussion, particularly about issues of importance. It's basically unavoidable.

If someone receives something like the recent anthem protests primarily as offensive, without focusing on the reasons behind them and the larger societal issues that need addressing, they have lost perspective on what's most important. They probably need to think harder about the why of the protest rather than just reacting emotionally to the how.

The whole reason for choosing that form of protest is because it is offensive. The players easily could have wore black arm bands. Also, reporters are always looking for post game comments where players could make there opinion known. But that chose the anthem protest because it is offensive and would garner publicity.

Assume for a moment that Rush Limbaugh wanted black men to take responsibility for the children they fathered. This is an honorable goal. Assume that to do so he started calling black men who were deadbeat dads the N word. This would draw attention to the cause but would also be offensive and likely ineffective.

[fallguy]

This thread has gotten a little off track so I would like to see if someone can answer a question for me.

How is offending people supposed to bring people over to your way of thinking?

Offending people isn't the primary goal of most protest actions. Raising awareness and provoking conversation and change are the points. Sure - some may be offended but that's healthy in a debate and discussion, particularly about issues of importance. It's basically unavoidable.

If someone receives something like the recent anthem protests primarily as offensive, without focusing on the reasons behind them and the larger societal issues that need addressing, they have lost perspective on what's most important. They probably need to think harder about the why of the protest rather than just reacting emotionally to the how.

The whole reason for choosing that form of protest is because it is offensive. The players easily could have wore black arm bands. Also, reporters are always looking for post game comments where players could make there opinion known. But that chose the anthem protest because it is offensive and would garner publicity.

Assume for a moment that Rush Limbaugh wanted black men to take responsibility for the children they fathered. This is an honorable goal. Assume that to do so he started calling black men who were deadbeat dads the N word. This would draw attention to the cause but would also be offensive and likely ineffective.

Many people do not find the protest offensive (they may see it as provocative). Your response is not necessarily representative of the larger population and even if it is, it's incumbent upon folks to deal with the real issues prompting it.

[OFWGKTA]

This thread has gotten a little off track so I would like to see if someone can answer a question for me.

How is offending people supposed to bring people over to your way of thinking?

Offending people isn't the primary goal of most protest actions. Raising awareness and provoking conversation and change are the points. Sure - some may be offended but that's healthy in a debate and discussion, particularly about issues of importance. It's basically unavoidable.

If someone receives something like the recent anthem protests primarily as offensive, without focusing on the reasons behind them and the larger societal issues that need addressing, they have lost perspective on what's most important. They probably need to think harder about the why of the protest rather than just reacting emotionally to the how.

The whole reason for choosing that form of protest is because it is offensive. The players easily could have wore black arm bands. Also, reporters are always looking for post game comments where players could make there opinion known. But that chose the anthem protest because it is offensive and would garner publicity.

Assume for a moment that Rush Limbaugh wanted black men to take responsibility for the children they fathered. This is an honorable goal. Assume that to do so he started calling black men who were deadbeat dads the N word. This would draw attention to the cause but would also be offensive and likely ineffective.

[fallguy]

Offending people isn't the primary goal of most protest actions. Raising awareness and provoking conversation and change are the points. Sure - some may be offended but that's healthy in a debate and discussion, particularly about issues of importance. It's basically unavoidable.

If someone receives something like the recent anthem protests primarily as offensive, without focusing on the reasons behind them and the larger societal issues that need addressing, they have lost perspective on what's most important. They probably need to think harder about the why of the protest rather than just reacting emotionally to the how.

The whole reason for choosing that form of protest is because it is offensive. The players easily could have wore black arm bands. Also, reporters are always looking for post game comments where players could make there opinion known. But that chose the anthem protest because it is offensive and would garner publicity.

Assume for a moment that Rush Limbaugh wanted black men to take responsibility for the children they fathered. This is an honorable goal. Assume that to do so he started calling black men who were deadbeat dads the N word. This would draw attention to the cause but would also be offensive and likely ineffective.

I just ignored that.

[OFWGKTA]

The whole reason for choosing that form of protest is because it is offensive. The players easily could have wore black arm bands. Also, reporters are always looking for post game comments where players could make there opinion known. But that chose the anthem protest because it is offensive and would garner publicity.

Assume for a moment that Rush Limbaugh wanted black men to take responsibility for the children they fathered. This is an honorable goal. Assume that to do so he started calling black men who were deadbeat dads the N word. This would draw attention to the cause but would also be offensive and likely ineffective.

I just ignored that.

I wanted to draw attention to the curtain opening up a tad more

[fallguy]

I just ignored that.

I wanted to draw attention to the curtain opening up a tad more

Nicely put.

[Captain_Caveman]

Yeah, I was talking to a non believer, you don't have a medicine for who does not believe in fact.

..."hope you ain't never gonna need it."

Me a nonbeliever? Nah, I believe quite adamantly that someday you'll learn how to develop a writing ability where people can easily understand your intentions without the need to decipher your crap.

Bruh, you don't even have a comma after "Me". If you're going to call out someone else's grammar, check your own first.

Give him a break. It was only the first word in the post.

Ermocrate is also not a native English speaker, I believe.

[Captain_Caveman]

Trump has dementia. Spent all morning tweeting about Hillary. The election was a year ago bruh. Move on like a bad ex

How long did obama blame Bush?

Not long enough.

[theman]

Many people do not find the protest offensive (they may see it as provocative). Your response is not necessarily representative of the larger population and even if it is, it's incumbent upon folks to deal with the real issues prompting it.

And many people do. Thus the conversation. Their avenue of choice is drawing attention away from their issue and towards the protest only.

[theman]

Offending people isn't the primary goal of most protest actions. Raising awareness and provoking conversation and change are the points. Sure - some may be offended but that's healthy in a debate and discussion, particularly about issues of importance. It's basically unavoidable.

If someone receives something like the recent anthem protests primarily as offensive, without focusing on the reasons behind them and the larger societal issues that need addressing, they have lost perspective on what's most important. They probably need to think harder about the why of the protest rather than just reacting emotionally to the how.

The whole reason for choosing that form of protest is because it is offensive. The players easily could have wore black arm bands. Also, reporters are always looking for post game comments where players could make there opinion known. But that chose the anthem protest because it is offensive and would garner publicity.

Assume for a moment that Rush Limbaugh wanted black men to take responsibility for the children they fathered. This is an honorable goal. Assume that to do so he started calling black men who were deadbeat dads the N word. This would draw attention to the cause but would also be offensive and likely ineffective.

So you don't think fathers should be responsible?

[fallguy]

Many people do not find the protest offensive (they may see it as provocative). Your response is not necessarily representative of the larger population and even if it is, it's incumbent upon folks to deal with the real issues prompting it.

And many people do. Thus the conversation. Their avenue of choice is drawing attention away from their issue and towards the protest only.

It's unfortunate some people can't see beyond the how and examine the far more important why. But not everyone is capable (intellectually or emotionally) of dealing with these kinds of complexities. I suppose it's always been this way. The world moves on regardless.

[Captain_Caveman]

The whole reason for choosing that form of protest is because it is offensive. The players easily could have wore black arm bands. Also, reporters are always looking for post game comments where players could make there opinion known. But that chose the anthem protest because it is offensive and would garner publicity.

Assume for a moment that Rush Limbaugh wanted black men to take responsibility for the children they fathered. This is an honorable goal. Assume that to do so he started calling black men who were deadbeat dads the N word. This would draw attention to the cause but would also be offensive and likely ineffective.

So you don't think fathers should be responsible?

ABORT MISSION! ABORT! ABORT!

[OFWGKTA]

So you don't think fathers should be responsible?

ABORT MISSION! ABORT! ABORT!

That response by him was so textbook it's not even funny

[theman]

So you don't think fathers should be responsible?

ABORT MISSION! ABORT! ABORT!

That response by him was so textbook it's not even funny

You should read more textbooks.

[OFWGKTA]

ABORT MISSION! ABORT! ABORT!

That response by him was so textbook it's not even funny

You should read more textbooks.

[theman]

Many people do not find the protest offensive (they may see it as provocative). Your response is not necessarily representative of the larger population and even if it is, it's incumbent upon folks to deal with the real issues prompting it.

And many people do. Thus the conversation. Their avenue of choice is drawing attention away from their issue and towards the protest only.

It's unfortunate some people can't see beyond the how and examine the far more important why. But not everyone is capable (intellectually or emotionally) of dealing with these kinds of complexities. I suppose it's always been this way. The world moves on regardless.

That is the thing about communication. It is a two way street. Those presenting the message need to articulate it in a way those are receiving it can understand. The players saw the out rage when Kaepernick refused to stand. They knew it would offend people. They did it any way. Now that they have the attention they were seeking they seem to be unable to clearly articulate their goal.

If you can point me to where that is presented I would appreciate it. If you tell me it is about white police shooting innocent black men, fine. But I don't think anyone is saying that is okay. White officers do not have the right to abuse African Americans. Google Daniel Holtzclaw.

I know the Micheal Brown shooting lead to this. But, that was a justified shooting, obama's Justice Department said so.

[fallguy]

And many people do. Thus the conversation. Their avenue of choice is drawing attention away from their issue and towards the protest only.

It's unfortunate some people can't see beyond the how and examine the far more important why. But not everyone is capable (intellectually or emotionally) of dealing with these kinds of complexities. I suppose it's always been this way. The world moves on regardless.

That is the thing about communication. It is a two way street. Those presenting the message need to articulate it in a way those are receiving it can understand. The players saw the out rage when Kaepernick refused to stand. They knew it would offend people. They did it any way. Now that they have the attention they were seeking they seem to be unable to clearly articulate their goal.

If you can point me to where that is presented I would appreciate it. If you tell me it is about white police shooting innocent black men, fine. But I don't think anyone is saying that is okay. White officers do not have the right to abuse African Americans. Google Daniel Holtzclaw.

I know the Micheal Brown shooting lead to this. But, that was a justified shooting, obama's Justice Department said so.

What do you think the protests are about?