Markelle Fultz Discussion II

[LloydFree]

Monk was 1-9 (1-6 from 3) last night. I think he might have forgotten how to shoot as well.

One game.

He's shooting 33% FG and 31% 3FG in his preseason games + first regular season game including a 7-22 (2-11) performance earlier in the preseason.

I'm not sure where you stand on the Monk train, but his purpose is to hit shots, which he has not been doing. It's not even a comparison between Fultz and Monk. Fultz is objectively a better player even if he shoots like Shaq.

Naaaa. Fultz has more avenues towards being a useful NBA player... because he has a more varied skillset. If Fultz doesn't shoot, he's Evan Turner. Evan Turner has a more varied skillset and is well rounded than JJ Redick, but he isn't a better player than Redick.

[Negrodamus]

One game.

He's shooting 33% FG and 31% 3FG in his preseason games + first regular season game including a 7-22 (2-11) performance earlier in the preseason.

I'm not sure where you stand on the Monk train, but his purpose is to hit shots, which he has not been doing. It's not even a comparison between Fultz and Monk. Fultz is objectively a better player even if he shoots like Shaq.

Naaaa. Fultz has more avenues towards being a useful NBA player... because he has a more varied skillset. If Fultz doesn't shoot, he's Evan Turner. Evan Turner has a more varied skillset and is well rounded than JJ Redick, but he isn't a better player than Redick.

It's an insult to JJ Redick and how far he's come to compare him to Monk.

[Gsraider]

Still missing the point. I didn't see Monk's first game, but I'm guessing the majority of his misses were jumpers. I wasn't making a case for Monk either, but at least he is who he is and I'll take my chances that he'll ultimately be a pretty solid shooter in the NBA, even if that's all he winds up being overall. Anyway, at least Monk missed shots. Fultz WON'T TAKE THEM. I'm not talking about layups and finishes in the paint either. If anyone has watched Fultz play prior to pre-season, you would never have seen a player that is playing (or not playing as the case may be) like he is now. You would never have seen a guy shoot a FT like that. This isn't about reading the boxscore and seeing that Fultz shot 5-9.

[LloydFree]

He's shooting 33% FG and 31% 3FG in his preseason games + first regular season game including a 7-22 (2-11) performance earlier in the preseason.

I'm not sure where you stand on the Monk train, but his purpose is to hit shots, which he has not been doing. It's not even a comparison between Fultz and Monk. Fultz is objectively a better player even if he shoots like Shaq.

Naaaa. Fultz has more avenues towards being a useful NBA player... because he has a more varied skillset. If Fultz doesn't shoot, he's Evan Turner. Evan Turner has a more varied skillset and is well rounded than JJ Redick, but he isn't a better player than Redick.

It's an insult to JJ Redick and how far he's come to compare him to Monk.

I don't think it's an insult at all. Malik was a far superior prospect than JJ Redick, coming into the league. If Monk works on his fundamentals, he will get to where Redick is in 3-4 years, rather than the 7-10 years it took Redick.

Point is, Evan Turner has always had a more varied skillset than the one-dimensional shooters in the league, but that doesn't mean he's been a better player than any of them. If Fultz doesn't shoot then he's Evan Turner.

***I actually think Fultz's shooting is the last thing to worry about. It will come along. I just don't like his athletic ceiling or his motor.

[Negrodamus]

Still missing the point. I didn't see Monk's first game, but I'm guessing the majority of his misses were jumpers. I wasn't making a case for Monk either, but at least he is who he is and I'll take my chances that he'll ultimately be a pretty solid shooter in the NBA, even if that's all he winds up being overall. Anyway, at least Monk missed shots. Fultz WON'T TAKE THEM. I'm not talking about layups and finishes in the paint either. If anyone has watched Fultz play prior to pre-season, you would never have seen a player that is playing (or not playing as the case may be) like he is now. You would never have seen a guy shoot a FT like that. This isn't about reading the boxscore and seeing that Fultz shot 5-9.

And when Monk's shot isn't falling, that 0-0 from the FT line is particularly glaring. If Fultz's shot isn't falling, he is capable of drawing fouls. Yes, I get it, his FT shot looks bad. But he puts pressure on the other team's bigs with foul trouble.

I also don't think his shooting issues is a long term thing, so I'm not freaking out about it.

[Gsraider]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2737893-nba-exec-on-bizarre-markelle-fultz-shooting-form-this-is-mind-boggling

[James40]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2737893-nba-exec-on-bizarre-markelle-fultz-shooting-form-this-is-mind-boggling

It looks like Barkley’s golf swing, he should be hitting 500 ft’s a day with proper form before it becomes psychological.

[Gsraider]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2737893-nba-exec-on-bizarre-markelle-fultz-shooting-form-this-is-mind-boggling

It looks like Barkley’s golf swing, he should be hitting 500 ft’s a day with proper form before it becomes psychological.

Agreed. I realize that everyone is looking for hope and a silver lining, but if anyone thinks that the current version of Fultz looks anything like this guy, they are deluding themselves:

Watch on YouTube

This was 3 months ago. There is zero hesitation on his shot and a desire to shoot it no less. This is not the same guy right now.

[cksdayoff]

a whole lotta overreactions part II

[phiphan]

He may have lost his mojo somewhere in training camp. It's not surprising given that he's still learning his role. It's apparent that he's got the skills but he's kind of rudderless out there, learning a new style of play of not being "the guy." Now's not the time to freak out and dogpile him. If he looks lost this time next year then we can all gather and have a collective panic attack.

[agiaco]

He may have lost his mojo somewhere in training camp. It's not surprising given that he's still learning his role. It's apparent that he's got the skills but he's kind of rudderless out there, learning a new style of play of not being "the guy." Now's not the time to freak out and dogpile him. If he looks lost this time next year then we can all gather and have a collective panic attack.

I can tell how driven Markelle is. He's just pretty timid right now, but rightfully so. I think he's going to adjust just fine.

[cksdayoff]

He may have lost his mojo somewhere in training camp. It's not surprising given that he's still learning his role. It's apparent that he's got the skills but he's kind of rudderless out there, learning a new style of play of not being "the guy." Now's not the time to freak out and dogpile him. If he looks lost this time next year then we can all gather and have a collective panic attack.

he probably finds his groove by november

[CoreyGallagher]

I understand if he’s self conscious to shoot right now. I paint and imagining somebody watching, analyzing, and critiquing every brush stroke I made, I wouldn’t want to paint then, tbh.

I think he just has to make a few to relax the bs narrative.

[Negrodamus]

I understand if he’s self conscious to shoot right now. I paint and imagining somebody watching, analyzing, and critiquing every brush stroke I made, I wouldn’t want to paint then, tbh.

I think he just has to make a few and relax the bs narrative.

We already have one self conscious shooter in Ben Simmons. How could we have already acquired another one?

[CoreyGallagher]

We already have one self conscious shooter in Ben Simmons. How could we have already acquired another one?

I think he’s just self conscious to shoot, I don’t think he actually has a reason to be. Simmons does, lol.

[Winejk]

Regardless of whatever is going on with Fultz's shot and shoulder, I thought he played a good game last night. He was effective taking it to the hoop and scoring in the paint which is what he should be doing if his jumpshot is messed up. Shows he isn't a one trick pony and can do other things. Sure he had some turnovers and rookie plays, but overall he showed some positive glimpses. Just keep building on it.

[cksdayoff]

there seems to be a misconception about fultz in his first regular season game, he had 0 turnovers.

[Negrodamus]

there seems to be a misconception about fultz in his first regular season game, he had 0 turnovers.

Yea, that's incorrect. What's happening here: https://youtu.be/5J4GMiHJjow?t=27s

[Unbreakable99]

there seems to be a misconception about fultz in his first regular season game, he had 0 turnovers.

He may have had 0 turnovers but he had his fair share of bad plays which is expected of any rookie in their first game. He got swallowed up by Wall a few times and got his shot swatted. I just want him to stand outside the 3 point line and take the shot just once.

[cksdayoff]

there seems to be a misconception about fultz in his first regular season game, he had 0 turnovers.

Yea, that's incorrect. What's happening here: https://youtu.be/5J4GMiHJjow?t=27s

the statiticians were so impressed with the block on oubre that they decided to wipe away the turnover