Markelle Fultz Discussion II

[marcush]

Impressive work by Bryan. He trades a lottery pick to move up 2 spots in an even draft to pick up a guard who wont shoot......to pair with another guard who wont shoot.

[Negrodamus]

there seems to be a misconception about fultz in his first regular season game, he had 0 turnovers.

Yea, that's incorrect. What's happening here: https://youtu.be/5J4GMiHJjow?t=27s

the statiticians were so impressed with the block on oubre that they decided to wipe away the turnover

And he was massively blocked, twice. And he was lazy one time getting back on a fast break and JW got an easy alley oop. There are certainly mistakes he made, but they are expected for a rookie.

[LongLiveHinkie]

Impressive work by Bryan. He trades a lottery pick to move up 2 spots in an even draft to pick up a guard who wont shoot......to pair with another guard who wont shoot.

Yeah, because Bryan should have known ahead of time he was going to hurt his shoulder and then alter his shot because of it.

[LongLiveHinkie]

I understand if he’s self conscious to shoot right now. I paint and imagining somebody watching, analyzing, and critiquing every brush stroke I made, I wouldn’t want to paint then, tbh.

I think he just has to make a few to relax the bs narrative.

I don't think he'll ever not be self conscious until that shoulder feels 100%. It's the reason he changed his form apparently. I mean, he was not self conscious at all in summer league, I don't see any reason why he'd randomly change his form for no reason. In the SL, he couldn't have been any more fearless. There wasn't a shot he didn't like. Then one random day he wakes up afraid to shoot? Has to have started with the shoulder.

So if the shoulder has caused a trickle down effect, which has eventually lead to mental issues, then that will never be fixed until the origin point is fixed, which is the shoulder.

[CoreyGallagher]

I understand if he’s self conscious to shoot right now. I paint and imagining somebody watching, analyzing, and critiquing every brush stroke I made, I wouldn’t want to paint then, tbh.

I think he just has to make a few to relax the bs narrative.

I don't think he'll ever not be self conscious until that shoulder feels 100%. It's the reason he changed his form apparently. I mean, he was not self conscious at all in summer league, I don't see any reason why he'd randomly change his form for no reason. In the SL, he couldn't have been any more fearless. There wasn't a shot he didn't like. Then one random day he wakes up afraid to shoot? Has to have started with the shoulder.

So if the shoulder has caused a trickle down effect, which has eventually lead to mental issues, then that will never be fixed until the origin point is fixed, which is the shoulder.

I don't buy the shoulder injury, if it's just that then that's fine. I think he adjusted his free throw shooting form for other reasons, a bad free throw shooter trying something to improve his free throw shooting wouldn't surprise me. I think the criticism by just about everybody may have caught him off guard, though. His actual jump shooting seems the same to me as it did in SL the few times he's taken them since. I think he just has to take them.

[LloydFree]

there seems to be a misconception about fultz in his first regular season game, he had 0 turnovers.

He may have had 0 turnovers but he had his fair share of bad plays which is expected of any rookie in their first game. He got swallowed up by Wall a few times and got his shot swatted. I just want him to stand outside the 3 point line and take the shot just once.

Evan Turner used to keep his turnovers down by getting his shot blocked back in his face a lot. One of the benefits of constantly taking contested shots.

[LongLiveHinkie]

I understand if he’s self conscious to shoot right now. I paint and imagining somebody watching, analyzing, and critiquing every brush stroke I made, I wouldn’t want to paint then, tbh.

I think he just has to make a few to relax the bs narrative.

I don't think he'll ever not be self conscious until that shoulder feels 100%. It's the reason he changed his form apparently. I mean, he was not self conscious at all in summer league, I don't see any reason why he'd randomly change his form for no reason. In the SL, he couldn't have been any more fearless. There wasn't a shot he didn't like. Then one random day he wakes up afraid to shoot? Has to have started with the shoulder.

So if the shoulder has caused a trickle down effect, which has eventually lead to mental issues, then that will never be fixed until the origin point is fixed, which is the shoulder.

I don't buy the shoulder injury, if it's just that then that's fine. I think he adjusted his free throw shooting form for other reasons, a bad free throw shooter trying something to improve his free throw shooting wouldn't surprise me. I think the criticism by everybody may have caught him off guard, though. His actual jump shooting seems the same to me as it did in SL the few times he's taken them since.

I may agree with your overall point if I agreed with that, but I don't. I recall him taking 2 jumpers last night, both about 13-15 feet. One looked like his usual form, and the other(one he missed) looked nothing like his usual form.

So I don't agree his normal jumper looks the same and it's only the FT form. If I did, I may agree it has nothing to do with the shoulder and he simply tweaked the FT form to improve it, and it has since gotten all wacky. But if his regular jumper is altered too, IMO it has to have at least started with the shoulder, even if it isn't due to the shoulder anymore. His regular jumper has always been great and he's never been afraid to shoot. I don't get why he wouldn't want to attempt 3 pointers anymore unless he felt it was too painful to do so.

[kingofthecourt67]

I understand if he’s self conscious to shoot right now. I paint and imagining somebody watching, analyzing, and critiquing every brush stroke I made, I wouldn’t want to paint then, tbh.

I think he just has to make a few to relax the bs narrative.

I don't think he'll ever not be self conscious until that shoulder feels 100%. It's the reason he changed his form apparently. I mean, he was not self conscious at all in summer league, I don't see any reason why he'd randomly change his form for no reason. In the SL, he couldn't have been any more fearless. There wasn't a shot he didn't like. Then one random day he wakes up afraid to shoot? Has to have started with the shoulder.

So if the shoulder has caused a trickle down effect, which has eventually lead to mental issues, then that will never be fixed until the origin point is fixed, which is the shoulder.

I don't buy the shoulder injury, if it's just that then that's fine. I think he adjusted his free throw shooting form for other reasons, a bad free throw shooter trying something to improve his free throw shooting wouldn't surprise me. I think the criticism by everybody may have caught him off guard, though. His actual jump shooting seems the same to me as it did in SL the few times he's taken them since.

Agreed. I think the organization decided to create shoulder pain to protect him from the media. I don't blame them. Hopefully he's working to get back to his old form. At this point, I'll take 66% from the FT line as long as he doesn't mess around with his jump shot. He took 2 yesterday and one looked different and bad (missed) and the other looked beautiful (made).

[Unbreakable99]

there seems to be a misconception about fultz in his first regular season game, he had 0 turnovers.

He may have had 0 turnovers but he had his fair share of bad plays which is expected of any rookie in their first game. He got swallowed up by Wall a few times and got his shot swatted. I just want him to stand outside the 3 point line and take the shot just once.

Evan Turner used to keep his turnovers down by getting his shot blocked back in his face a lot. One of the benefits of constantly taking contested shots.

Please don't let Fultz be Evan Turner. I despise Evan Turner. Fultz better take some jumpers. If he is going to shoot his foul shots like that then he might as well shoot underhanded. He would look a lot better. I just want Fultz to be great. Just be great Fultz. Show me you're worth the number 1 pick.

[LongLiveHinkie]

I don't think he'll ever not be self conscious until that shoulder feels 100%. It's the reason he changed his form apparently. I mean, he was not self conscious at all in summer league, I don't see any reason why he'd randomly change his form for no reason. In the SL, he couldn't have been any more fearless. There wasn't a shot he didn't like. Then one random day he wakes up afraid to shoot? Has to have started with the shoulder.

So if the shoulder has caused a trickle down effect, which has eventually lead to mental issues, then that will never be fixed until the origin point is fixed, which is the shoulder.

I don't buy the shoulder injury, if it's just that then that's fine. I think he adjusted his free throw shooting form for other reasons, a bad free throw shooter trying something to improve his free throw shooting wouldn't surprise me. I think the criticism by everybody may have caught him off guard, though. His actual jump shooting seems the same to me as it did in SL the few times he's taken them since.

Agreed. I think the organization decided to create shoulder pain to protect him from the media. I don't blame them. Hopefully he's working to get back to his old form. At this point, I'll take 66% from the FT line as long as he doesn't mess around with his jump shot. He took 2 yesterday and one looked different and bad (missed) and the other looked beautiful (made).

If that's true then this is one elaborate hoax, because he had the tape protection thingy on his shoulder back in the Boston preseason game, and then last night he was trying to loosen it multiple times during the game by doing arm rotations.

That seems waaaaay overly elaborate to try to convince the media about some fake shoulder injury to shield him from criticism. Having him go out there and instructing him to put on some Hollywood performance.

[CoreyGallagher]

I just don't get being so overly cautious with every other injury except this one, then.

[LongLiveHinkie]

Two reasons for that:

1. Josh Harris gave a directive to Colangelo and the medical staff to make him play because he doesn't want the embarrassment of another year of the top pick missing games.

or

2. They examined him, found it to be something minor that can't be made worse by playing, and Fultz is just a sissy with pain tolerance.

Because remember, he sat out practices with the shoulder thing. If they truly went THAT far to put on a charade, that they made him miss practice to make it seem legit, then that's totally asinine, because if the shoulder issue isn't real then they basically sacrificed precious practice time simply to pull off some dumb production. I don't think he would have sat out of practice if it wasn't an issue.

My guess is the shoulder hurts, they examined him and found zero structural issues, and he's just kind of a wimp with pain and maybe he's the really meticulous type of person that when everything with his body doesn't feel "just so" he kind of falls all out of whack with his game.

[eyeatoma]

Two reasons for that:

1. Josh Harris gave a directive to Colangelo and the medical staff to make him play because he doesn't want the embarrassment of another year of the top pick missing games.

or

2. They examined him, found it to be something minor that can't be made worse by playing, and Fultz is just a sissy with pain tolerance.

Because remember, he sat out practices with the shoulder thing. If they truly went THAT far to put on a charade, that they made him miss practice to make it seem legit, then that's totally asinine, because if the shoulder issue isn't real then they basically sacrificed precious practice time simply to pull off some dumb production. I don't think he would have sat out of practice if it wasn't an issue.

My guess is the shoulder hurts, they examined him and found zero structural issues, and he's just kind of a wimp with pain and maybe he's the really meticulous type of person that when everything with his body doesn't feel "just so" he kind of falls all out of whack with his game.

Could be true given that he missed time at Washington with his knee thing (Although that was supposedly bigger).

I'm honestly equally concerned about the knee. Is this the same knee that had issues in Washington? What was the problem with that one? Meniscus? Bone Bruise?

[sixerhp3]

Two reasons for that:

1. Josh Harris gave a directive to Colangelo and the medical staff to make him play because he doesn't want the embarrassment of another year of the top pick missing games.

or

2. They examined him, found it to be something minor that can't be made worse by playing, and Fultz is just a sissy with pain tolerance.

Because remember, he sat out practices with the shoulder thing. If they truly went THAT far to put on a charade, that they made him miss practice to make it seem legit, then that's totally asinine, because if the shoulder issue isn't real then they basically sacrificed precious practice time simply to pull off some dumb production. I don't think he would have sat out of practice if it wasn't an issue.

My guess is the shoulder hurts, they examined him and found zero structural issues, and he's just kind of a wimp with pain and maybe he's the really meticulous type of person that when everything with his body doesn't feel "just so" he kind of falls all out of whack with his game.

Could be true given that he missed time at Washington with his knee thing (Although that was supposedly bigger).

I'm honestly equally concerned about the knee. Is this the same knee that had issues in Washington? What was the problem with that one? Meniscus? Bone Bruise?

Look up shoulder bursitis, there can be no structural damage with this and it is painful/limits pain-free shoulder movement.

[Unbreakable99]

Two reasons for that:

1. Josh Harris gave a directive to Colangelo and the medical staff to make him play because he doesn't want the embarrassment of another year of the top pick missing games.

or

2. They examined him, found it to be something minor that can't be made worse by playing, and Fultz is just a sissy with pain tolerance.

Because remember, he sat out practices with the shoulder thing. If they truly went THAT far to put on a charade, that they made him miss practice to make it seem legit, then that's totally asinine, because if the shoulder issue isn't real then they basically sacrificed precious practice time simply to pull off some dumb production. I don't think he would have sat out of practice if it wasn't an issue.

My guess is the shoulder hurts, they examined him and found zero structural issues, and he's just kind of a wimp with pain and maybe he's the really meticulous type of person that when everything with his body doesn't feel "just so" he kind of falls all out of whack with his game.

Then explain how his shot is normal on pull-ups and when he’s on offense.

[kingofthecourt67]

I don't buy the shoulder injury, if it's just that then that's fine. I think he adjusted his free throw shooting form for other reasons, a bad free throw shooter trying something to improve his free throw shooting wouldn't surprise me. I think the criticism by everybody may have caught him off guard, though. His actual jump shooting seems the same to me as it did in SL the few times he's taken them since.

Agreed. I think the organization decided to create shoulder pain to protect him from the media. I don't blame them. Hopefully he's working to get back to his old form. At this point, I'll take 66% from the FT line as long as he doesn't mess around with his jump shot. He took 2 yesterday and one looked different and bad (missed) and the other looked beautiful (made).

If that's true then this is one elaborate hoax, because he had the tape protection thingy on his shoulder back in the Boston preseason game, and then last night he was trying to loosen it multiple times during the game by doing arm rotations.

That seems waaaaay overly elaborate to try to convince the media about some fake shoulder injury to shield him from criticism. Having him go out there and instructing him to put on some Hollywood performance.

Didn't catch the arm rotations, but I've never seen the dude grimace at all. Maybe he's just a stoic dude, but normally if it hurts to shoot, it'll hurt to do a lot of basketball things and I've never seen him react to it.

[LongLiveHinkie]

Two reasons for that:

1. Josh Harris gave a directive to Colangelo and the medical staff to make him play because he doesn't want the embarrassment of another year of the top pick missing games.

or

2. They examined him, found it to be something minor that can't be made worse by playing, and Fultz is just a sissy with pain tolerance.

Because remember, he sat out practices with the shoulder thing. If they truly went THAT far to put on a charade, that they made him miss practice to make it seem legit, then that's totally asinine, because if the shoulder issue isn't real then they basically sacrificed precious practice time simply to pull off some dumb production. I don't think he would have sat out of practice if it wasn't an issue.

My guess is the shoulder hurts, they examined him and found zero structural issues, and he's just kind of a wimp with pain and maybe he's the really meticulous type of person that when everything with his body doesn't feel "just so" he kind of falls all out of whack with his game.

Then explain how his shot is normal on pull-ups and when he’s on offense.

It isn't.



Does that look like a normal form? Dude looks like he's coming down with a rebound, there isn't even a shooting hand, both hands are on the sides of the ball. Looks like he's shooting with two hands like a 5th grader.

Compare that to college. Can clearly see the difference in his shooting hand placement.

[CoreyGallagher]

It isn't.

Does that look like a normal form? Dude looks like he's coming down with a rebound, there isn't even a shooting hand, both hands are on the sides of the ball. Looks like he's shooting with two hands like a 5th grader.

Compare that to college. Can clearly see the difference in his shooting hand placement.

Eh, he was a few feet away from the basket there. It's not a typical shot that requires much form to compare it to.

[Negrodamus]

Two reasons for that:

1. Josh Harris gave a directive to Colangelo and the medical staff to make him play because he doesn't want the embarrassment of another year of the top pick missing games.

or

2. They examined him, found it to be something minor that can't be made worse by playing, and Fultz is just a sissy with pain tolerance.

Because remember, he sat out practices with the shoulder thing. If they truly went THAT far to put on a charade, that they made him miss practice to make it seem legit, then that's totally asinine, because if the shoulder issue isn't real then they basically sacrificed precious practice time simply to pull off some dumb production. I don't think he would have sat out of practice if it wasn't an issue.

My guess is the shoulder hurts, they examined him and found zero structural issues, and he's just kind of a wimp with pain and maybe he's the really meticulous type of person that when everything with his body doesn't feel "just so" he kind of falls all out of whack with his game.

Then explain how his shot is normal on pull-ups and when he’s on offense.

It isn't.



Does that look like a normal form? Dude looks like he's coming down with a rebound, there isn't even a shooting hand, both hands are on the sides of the ball. Looks like he's shooting with two hands like a 5th grader.

Compare that to college. Can clearly see the difference in his shooting hand placement.

That was his first shot, which looked really ugly. He had a fadeaway that looked like his old shot.

[Negrodamus]

Here's a grainy photo of his fadeaway as it's leaving his right hand with the left hand being a guide.