Game 1: Pistons (0-0) vs. Hornets (0-0) - 10/18- 7 PM EST

[tmorgan]

Although @GS is one of the eight, we have a reasonable schedule for the start of the season, even though five are on the road (the usual early west coast swing). If we could just be solid, playing no better than we did last night, we could start something like 5-3 and have a good season to look forward to.

[Pharaoh]

Didn't think the average person would be better off Zeeb, which is my point.

My general take on all politics in all countries:

The world's economy is FAR too important to leave in the hands of politicians

Does that mean I'm a crazy conspiracy theorist? I don't know, yeah, probably lol

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[mattao313]

In the land of the free aren't y'all allowed to peacefully protest how you choose?

The division is bizarre to me! My side, your side, left or right...

There's no sides!

Is the average person better off after 8 years of Obama?

Was the average person better off after 8 years of Bush?

2 different "sides"...16 years...as a complete outsider I wanna know if the average American is better off now than 8 or 16 years ago?

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I normally will never address politics in any fashion here but you have it quite right.

The sheer amount of hyperbole being slung around in this nation right now is just absurd. If I hear the term fascist one more time I'm going to vomit as a HUGE portion of those who use it obviously have never seriously studied history.

Both normal everyday people and politicians alike need to tone down the rhetoric. Saying stupid and obvious untrue statements helps no one and creates a divide. This country is about the free exchange of ideas and CIVIL DISCUSSION. Not name calling, using absolutely incorrect terminology(fascist)and directly inciting peoples fears(Trump)for no reason other then to upset someone.

Its disgusting to me and the main reason for the first time in my life I didn't vote for president. He'll its the first time I didn't vote period local or national. I HATED both candidates and knew that either one would be terrible.

In the end though, if you cut thru all the horsecrap and hyperbole, no ones life dramatically changed under either Bush, or Obama. Hell Obama(who I voted for)carried on a ton if the same policies that Bush had! That should have been a wakeup call to millions of Americans on just how similar these candidates are, and how everything basically stays the same no matter what party is in office.

After 4 years of trump the world won't be in flames. Just as it wasn't after 4 years of Obama. You would never know that though with the way people are making Trump out to be Mussolini, when its obvious he's not. I restate that.

If Donald Trump was a fascist, it would be obvious and the United States right now would be a very different place even after 7-8 months.

Hyperbole is just getting out of hand, and I won't even engage someone who spouts that crap as I would assume they have the brain of a parakeet.

To me it isn't about Trump being a fascist or Mussolini it he is very immature and not fit to be a spokesman and Representative of a country.

As to Pharaoh while Bush was in office for my family at least ( I was in grade school) it wasn't very good both my parents lost multiple jobs during that time. During Obama I'm not sure from an individuals view point anything changed but he inherited a **** of problems when he came into office.

[zeebneeb]

In the land of the free aren't y'all allowed to peacefully protest how you choose?

The division is bizarre to me! My side, your side, left or right...

There's no sides!

Is the average person better off after 8 years of Obama?

Was the average person better off after 8 years of Bush?

2 different "sides"...16 years...as a complete outsider I wanna know if the average American is better off now than 8 or 16 years ago?

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I normally will never address politics in any fashion here but you have it quite right.

The sheer amount of hyperbole being slung around in this nation right now is just absurd. If I hear the term fascist one more time I'm going to vomit as a HUGE portion of those who use it obviously have never seriously studied history.

Both normal everyday people and politicians alike need to tone down the rhetoric. Saying stupid and obvious untrue statements helps no one and creates a divide. This country is about the free exchange of ideas and CIVIL DISCUSSION. Not name calling, using absolutely incorrect terminology(fascist)and directly inciting peoples fears(Trump)for no reason other then to upset someone.

Its disgusting to me and the main reason for the first time in my life I didn't vote for president. He'll its the first time I didn't vote period local or national. I HATED both candidates and knew that either one would be terrible.

In the end though, if you cut thru all the horsecrap and hyperbole, no ones life dramatically changed under either Bush, or Obama. Hell Obama(who I voted for)carried on a ton if the same policies that Bush had! That should have been a wakeup call to millions of Americans on just how similar these candidates are, and how everything basically stays the same no matter what party is in office.

After 4 years of trump the world won't be in flames. Just as it wasn't after 4 years of Obama. You would never know that though with the way people are making Trump out to be Mussolini, when its obvious he's not. I restate that.

If Donald Trump was a fascist, it would be obvious and the United States right now would be a very different place even after 7-8 months.

Hyperbole is just getting out of hand, and I won't even engage someone who spouts that crap as I would assume they have the brain of a parakeet.

To me it isn't about Trump being a fascist or Mussolini it he is very immature and not fit to be a spokesman and Representative of a country.

As to Pharaoh while Bush was in office for my family at least ( I was in grade school) it wasn't very good both my parents lost multiple jobs during that time. During Obama I'm not sure from an individuals view point anything changed but he inherited a **** of problems when he came into office.

Ill agree that trump at 70+ years of age should know better. Obama inherited problems just like every other president in history. He also inherited wars, and prison camps and extended both.

I just want people to see past repub/dem left/right as it means absolutely nothing.

[Pharaoh]

In the land of the free aren't y'all allowed to peacefully protest how you choose?

The division is bizarre to me! My side, your side, left or right...

There's no sides!

Is the average person better off after 8 years of Obama?

Was the average person better off after 8 years of Bush?

2 different "sides"...16 years...as a complete outsider I wanna know if the average American is better off now than 8 or 16 years ago?

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I normally will never address politics in any fashion here but you have it quite right.

The sheer amount of hyperbole being slung around in this nation right now is just absurd. If I hear the term fascist one more time I'm going to vomit as a HUGE portion of those who use it obviously have never seriously studied history.

Both normal everyday people and politicians alike need to tone down the rhetoric. Saying stupid and obvious untrue statements helps no one and creates a divide. This country is about the free exchange of ideas and CIVIL DISCUSSION. Not name calling, using absolutely incorrect terminology(fascist)and directly inciting peoples fears(Trump)for no reason other then to upset someone.

Its disgusting to me and the main reason for the first time in my life I didn't vote for president. He'll its the first time I didn't vote period local or national. I HATED both candidates and knew that either one would be terrible.

In the end though, if you cut thru all the horsecrap and hyperbole, no ones life dramatically changed under either Bush, or Obama. Hell Obama(who I voted for)carried on a ton if the same policies that Bush had! That should have been a wakeup call to millions of Americans on just how similar these candidates are, and how everything basically stays the same no matter what party is in office.

After 4 years of trump the world won't be in flames. Just as it wasn't after 4 years of Obama. You would never know that though with the way people are making Trump out to be Mussolini, when its obvious he's not. I restate that.

If Donald Trump was a fascist, it would be obvious and the United States right now would be a very different place even after 7-8 months.

Hyperbole is just getting out of hand, and I won't even engage someone who spouts that crap as I would assume they have the brain of a parakeet.

To me it isn't about Trump being a fascist or Mussolini it he is very immature and not fit to be a spokesman and Representative of a country.

As to Pharaoh while Bush was in office for my family at least ( I was in grade school) it wasn't very good both my parents lost multiple jobs during that time. During Obama I'm not sure from an individuals view point anything changed but he inherited a **** of problems when he came into office.

So here's my follow up question:

The problems Obama inherited - could he actually have any impact on fixing them?

Jobs going overseas is by design mate.

Overseas workers get paid next to nothing, which is why no one cares about their Human Rights.

We all know where the cheap labour is - yet nothing is done about it

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[mattao313]

]Ill agree that trump at 70+ years of age should know better. Obama inherited problems just like every other president in history. He also inherited wars, and prison camps and extended both.

I just want people to see past repub/dem left/right as it means absolutely nothing.

Oh yeah it's a very fine line between all Politicians. Then on top of that you got the senate and all those guy who can block any real change.

[mattao313]

I normally will never address politics in any fashion here but you have it quite right.

The sheer amount of hyperbole being slung around in this nation right now is just absurd. If I hear the term fascist one more time I'm going to vomit as a HUGE portion of those who use it obviously have never seriously studied history.

Both normal everyday people and politicians alike need to tone down the rhetoric. Saying stupid and obvious untrue statements helps no one and creates a divide. This country is about the free exchange of ideas and CIVIL DISCUSSION. Not name calling, using absolutely incorrect terminology(fascist)and directly inciting peoples fears(Trump)for no reason other then to upset someone.

Its disgusting to me and the main reason for the first time in my life I didn't vote for president. He'll its the first time I didn't vote period local or national. I HATED both candidates and knew that either one would be terrible.

In the end though, if you cut thru all the horsecrap and hyperbole, no ones life dramatically changed under either Bush, or Obama. Hell Obama(who I voted for)carried on a ton if the same policies that Bush had! That should have been a wakeup call to millions of Americans on just how similar these candidates are, and how everything basically stays the same no matter what party is in office.

After 4 years of trump the world won't be in flames. Just as it wasn't after 4 years of Obama. You would never know that though with the way people are making Trump out to be Mussolini, when its obvious he's not. I restate that.

If Donald Trump was a fascist, it would be obvious and the United States right now would be a very different place even after 7-8 months.

Hyperbole is just getting out of hand, and I won't even engage someone who spouts that crap as I would assume they have the brain of a parakeet.

To me it isn't about Trump being a fascist or Mussolini it he is very immature and not fit to be a spokesman and Representative of a country.

As to Pharaoh while Bush was in office for my family at least ( I was in grade school) it wasn't very good both my parents lost multiple jobs during that time. During Obama I'm not sure from an individuals view point anything changed but he inherited a **** of problems when he came into office.

So here's my follow up question:

The problems Obama inherited - could he actually have any impact on fixing them?

Jobs going overseas is by design mate.

Overseas workers get paid next to nothing, which is why no one cares about their Human Rights.

We all know where the cheap labour is - yet nothing is done about it

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I'm sure he's had some impact but in terms of fixing on a whole no, I don't think anyone could fix these problems in such a short amount of time to begin with.

[Pharaoh]

To me it isn't about Trump being a fascist or Mussolini it he is very immature and not fit to be a spokesman and Representative of a country.

As to Pharaoh while Bush was in office for my family at least ( I was in grade school) it wasn't very good both my parents lost multiple jobs during that time. During Obama I'm not sure from an individuals view point anything changed but he inherited a **** of problems when he came into office.

So here's my follow up question:

The problems Obama inherited - could he actually have any impact on fixing them?

Jobs going overseas is by design mate.

Overseas workers get paid next to nothing, which is why no one cares about their Human Rights.

We all know where the cheap labour is - yet nothing is done about it

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I'm sure he's had some impact but in terms of fixing on a whole no, I don't think anyone could fix these problems in such a short amount of time to begin with.

Do you not believe there's good reason for that?

I know the USA is supposed to be the land of opportunity, that if you put the work in you can become "successful" but isn't that just a story that's sold to the masses?

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[Spider156]

Although @GS is one of the eight, we have a reasonable schedule for the start of the season, even though five are on the road (the usual early west coast swing). If we could just be solid, playing no better than we did last night, we could start something like 5-3 and have a good season to look forward to.

lol not gonna happen. We'll likely be 3-5. Don't expect our ball movement to be this good playing away. It's just home court advantage. You'll see. Happens every year, don't get ahead of yourself. Defense though might stay this good

[Spider156]

So here's my follow up question:

The problems Obama inherited - could he actually have any impact on fixing them?

Jobs going overseas is by design mate.

Overseas workers get paid next to nothing, which is why no one cares about their Human Rights.

We all know where the cheap labour is - yet nothing is done about it

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I'm sure he's had some impact but in terms of fixing on a whole no, I don't think anyone could fix these problems in such a short amount of time to begin with.

Do you not believe there's good reason for that?

I know the USA is supposed to be the land of opportunity, that if you put the work in you can become "successful" but isn't that just a story that's sold to the masses?

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Yes which is keeping up with the joneses or now the kardashians. Always having to keep up with looks and attire, living from paycheck to paycheck, paying a massive amount of loan debt money over the course of a decade. Financially crippling the young people making marriage that much tougher to attain. Discouraging healthy relationships and confabulating the essence of hook ups and what's cool in pop culture. It's all for money and for mass control of people, numbing their minds from progression and thought beyond what's outside the 9-5 job. Looking forward for the weekend to drink the memory of the week away and wasting time at nights following the same story of two teams battling each other for what exactly did Golden state accomplish really? They didn't make a difference in anyone's lives. A real sportsman is like Muhammad Ali, fighting for human rights. Beyond that it's all a waste of time whether you care to admit it or not. It's why I stopped watching so many games. I love basketball and I play it often and follow the pistons every day. Truth is any team winning a championship is just as useful to us fans as taking a **** in the toilet if not less useful. At least we're literally ****ing our problems away. This post has no point really, just wanted to ramble on for fun.

[bjones521]

I did not care for Eminem being there. Svg indicating it was some sort of political statement. I support my president and Eminem trashed him for publicity. When will they learn to keep politics out of sports?

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Why is it desirable to keep politics out of sports? I'm fine with players/entertainers using their access to the media to bring about positive social change. If you want politics out of sports, then let's just skip the national anthem and color guard. Oops, I get what you're saying - let's get politics out of sports if it doesn't agree with MY politics

All you need to do is look at the ratings. Politics OF ANY KIND alienates half the country. If athletes want to use twitter and whatever to make a political statement then so be it but when the game is on they should shut up and do their job. Most of these clowns don't even know what they are protesting. Also, don't assume their are bringing about positive change. Obviously half the country disagrees with this. Disrespecting the country over..... slavery that ended hundreds of years ago? the myth of white privilege? America being racist even though it's the most diverse country in the world that gave these black Americans the chance to make millions of dollars throwing a ball around? ..... is incredibly ignorant and is only alienating the fan base that has supported them and dividing the country even further. Sounds like negative change to me. Just keep ALL politics out of sports. No one wants to see this crap.

You should be banned for this

[Blkbrd671]

I did not care for Eminem being there. Svg indicating it was some sort of political statement. I support my president and Eminem trashed him for publicity. When will they learn to keep politics out of sports?

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Why is it desirable to keep politics out of sports? I'm fine with players/entertainers using their access to the media to bring about positive social change. If you want politics out of sports, then let's just skip the national anthem and color guard. Oops, I get what you're saying - let's get politics out of sports if it doesn't agree with MY politics

All you need to do is look at the ratings. Politics OF ANY KIND alienates half the country. If athletes want to use twitter and whatever to make a political statement then so be it but when the game is on they should shut up and do their job. Most of these clowns don't even know what they are protesting. Also, don't assume their are bringing about positive change. Obviously half the country disagrees with this. Disrespecting the country over..... slavery that ended hundreds of years ago? the myth of white privilege? America being racist even though it's the most diverse country in the world that gave these black Americans the chance to make millions of dollars throwing a ball around? ..... is incredibly ignorant and is only alienating the fan base that has supported them and dividing the country even further. Sounds like negative change to me. Just keep ALL politics out of sports. No one wants to see this crap.

1.) how is taking a knee "being disrespectful" to the flag. There is no law or document stating that everyone has to stand. Literally its a matter of a opinion. Taking a knee and turning your back are 2 different things. (burning, spitting, grounding etc. is disrespectful)
2.) If there boss allows them too, then obviously they can exercise their constitutional rights
3.) The majority of them are black athletes, they do know what they are protesting.
4.) Your assuming that everyone else feels the same away about the US flag and this country. If a black athlete taking a knee while acknowledging this flag is "dividing this country" and the continued practice of unarmed individuals getting shot by police is not then somethings obviously wrong with this country .
5.) Social injustice is not politics, its statistics and real life ppl losing their lives because Officer Joe is too ignorant/arrogant to do his job properly. If a athlete wants to use their platform to bring awareness to this, and obviously they have, then i have no problem with it.

If the problem is fans came to watch a game not a protest, i say 90 % of those fans watching used to be taking a sh* or grabbing a beer when the national anthem plays on TV , now all of a sudden it determines their ability to watch?

I think Americans need to get over themselves. You want disrespecting a flag, how about a entire Marine Battalion getting kicked off Okinawa because locals were tired of the numerous never ending reports of assault and rape. Some of them in uniform while committing the acts. .................................I can introduce you to a jag officer who on a nightly basis has to bail guys out of jail.

If anything, these athletes are bringing a reality check to "White America" and seems they dont' like it.

[Pharaoh]

As stated it amazes me as a complete outsider that there is such division in the USA.

It's there in every country to some extent due to multi-culturalism but loud & proud? Not to the extent I'm reading & seeing now

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[dVs33]

Please for the love of whatever you believe in, do not post about politics in here. There's plenty of other outlets for it. This ain't the place.

Soooo.... how bout them Pistons ey??

[theBigLip]

Even though I may not agree with certain members opinions, I respect everyone having the right to voice them as long as there are no personal attacks or attacks based on race/religion/etc. If we want to discuss politics, we might as well have an off-topic thread and in the future we can try to keep it out of the game thread. I'm going to lock this thread and we can look forward to tonight's game.