Earl Watson FIRED!!!!

[Mulhollanddrive]

36 point wins have been as common as 48 point losses under Watson.

So just like we didn't give him an extension for that, I wouldn't sack him now.

He is a cheap coach overlooking a period where we are built to win under 25 games so we are doing as expected.

[Kerrsed]

I see a lot of people trying to bring McD down right now, but he has done what has been needed to be done, made smart moves, made great draft choices, and im still 100% behind him.

smart moves .... great draft choices ?

Don't get me McStarted

Smart moves:
1. As soon as he came in he made Jermaine O'Neal/Wesley Johnson/Hamed Haddadi/Diante Garrett Free agents. No Brainer.
2. Dudley/2nd round pick for Bledsoe. Thats a steal.
3. Scola for Green/Plumlee/1st
4. Gortat/Brown/Marshall/Lee for Okafor(expiring) and Washington's 1st.
5. That contract he gave the MoBros was brilliant!
6. Oriakhi for IT.
7. Dragic (who was asking out) to Miami for an expiring Granger/2 future Miami 1sts.
8. Markieff for an expiring and a Wahington 1st.
9. #13/#28/Rights to Bogdanovic for the #7 pick.

Bad moves:
1. Knight trade (More-so the re-signing of Knight).
2. IT trade. (Even though everyone was begging for him to trade IT, kinda bit us in the ass). But we got IT for cheap, and sold him for cheap.
3. Signing Chandler. He did so because he was swinging for the fences to get Alderidge. It didnt work. It almost did, and who knows how we would look right now if it did.

Smart draft choices:
Warren
Booker
Jackson
Bender/Chriss(?)
Ulis

Bad draft choices:
Ennis @ #18.

Previous to McD, Morris or Lopez was the best player we drafted since Amare. I put Warren/Booker/Jackson all above Morris/Lopez.

So yes, he has made some great moves and great draft choices. They far outweigh the bad.

[Frank Lee]

So yes, he has made some great moves and great draft choices. They far outweigh the bad.

Here we go.... no need to nitpick tit4tat the list but you can at least take off the shades

Gortat for nothing (Wash #1 = Ennis) .... and we haven't had an effective center since
Dragic for paper.... and we haven't had an effective PG since, not to mention the whole debacle.
Bledsoe hasn't lived up to his billing, it was a sweet start for McD, but effective ??? debatable. Its only a win if McDangle can glean something for him. Remember.... the whole Paul/Bled hold out led McD to sign IT... and the turmoil that followed.

Also, calling any trade for Chriss a win right now is highly debatable. He is swiftly becoming Stromile-ish. Heck, Id rather have Bogdan and Skal

And outside of Chuck Booker (whose billing is bigger than his britches) and Warren, The rest are no/low impact moves just to scratch an itch. Oh yeah... Bender, Len and Jackson ... who knows? But damn, we ought to get some talent out of 2 #4s and a #5, ya think?

Toss in the coaching selections and you can see why we are where we are. But hey, we got at least a couple more years of McD+/C-.

I'll bet he outlasts me with this organization.

[Kerrsed]

lol @ Bledsoe not being effective and living up to his billing. The kid has put up all-star numbers year after year. If he was playing in the east he would have been an all-star, easily.

Frank, always the teams debbie downer. If there is anyway to turn a good situation into a horrible horrible thing, Frank shall find a way!

Watch on YouTube

[n4th4n4]

So yes, he has made some great moves and great draft choices. They far outweigh the bad.

Dragic for paper.

This alone shows you don't know what you are talking about. Goran was on an expiring contract, had requested a trade TO A SPECIFIC TEAM, and we still managed to hijack two really good first round picks from them. Including one that is 100% unprotected. That never happens anymore. That trade was a pure heist.

[Frank Lee]

Wake up Happy-Go-Kerrsy.... this potentially IS a horrible thing.

And numbers dont mean squat. Bled isn't the PG we thought.... he really isn't a PG. He doesn't make players around him better, no=r does he get them involved. He isn't a leader nor a piece we will build around. And frankly, right now, he is nothing but a trade chip. No way he signs here again, and if we play down to our lackluster potential, you can bet he or Paul soon will be squawking for a trade. Now more than ever, we need him to remain healthy. Thanks for playing Eric, get your parting gifts at the door.

[Frank Lee]

So yes, he has made some great moves and great draft choices. They far outweigh the bad.

Dragic for paper.

This alone shows you don't know what you are talking about. Goran was on an expiring contract, had requested a trade TO A SPECIFIC TEAM, and we still managed to hijack two really good first round picks from them. Including one that is 100% unprotected. That never happens anymore. That trade was a pure heist.

Yup... trade the closet thing we've had to an all star / all NBA for distant picks ..... so if this yrs pick is # 20+ is it really a heist ? If the second one is #10 ??? then what.... sure, call it fantastic since GD was clamoring for an exit... but it should have never reached that point.

Riley knows what he's doing. You do realize he is the one who made the deal right? He sees talent. We let a good one, possibly the most talented player we have had in the McDuh era slip away. And worse... we invested in Bledsoe, who will cash his chips in too. Want to talk about that ?

[Kerrsed]

Wake up Happy-Go-Kerrsy.... this potentially IS a horrible thing.

And numbers dont mean squat. Bled isn't the PG we thought.... he really isn't a PG. He doesn't make players around him better, no=r does he get them involved. He isn't a leader nor a piece we will build around. And frankly, right now, he is nothing but a trade chip. No way he signs here again, and if we play down to our lackluster potential, you can bet he or Paul soon will be squawking for a trade. Now more than ever, we need him to remain healthy. Thanks for playing Eric, get your parting gifts at the door.

"Numbers dont mean squat" Another LUL worthy phrase.

Doesnt make players better? I seem to remember players playing better with him than with IT...or Knight.....or Ulis. But thats neither here or there, the fact is that we got Bledsoe for Dudley and a 2nd round pick. Is he worth that today? Nope, worth way more. So still back to my OG point, it was a good movie. The fact that you deny that trading Dudley and a 2nd for Bledsoe was a good movie, just shows that when confronted with the truth, you will find some other negative view to try to push and skew.

But i do agree that we need to trade him. He doesnt fit our timeline, i think in a year or so he will start to head downhill and will become more injury prone.

[Kerrsed]

Yup... trade the closet thing we've had to an all star / all NBA for distant picks ..... so if this yrs pick is # 20+ is it really a heist ? If the

Bledsoe was closer than Dragic was and is.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Eric+Bledsoe&player_id1_select=Eric+Bledsoe&y1=2015&player_id1=bledser01&idx=players&player_id2_hint=Goran+Dragic&player_id2_select=Goran+Dragic&y2=2015&player_id2=dragigo01&idx=players

....but let me guess, numbers dont matter, but according to your "eye test" Dragic was the man.

[n4th4n4]

Dragic for paper.

This alone shows you don't know what you are talking about. Goran was on an expiring contract, had requested a trade TO A SPECIFIC TEAM, and we still managed to hijack two really good first round picks from them. Including one that is 100% unprotected. That never happens anymore. That trade was a pure heist.

Yup... trade the closet thing we've had to an all star / all NBA for distant picks ..... so if this yrs pick is # 20+ is it really a heist ? If the second one is #10 ??? then what.... sure, call it fantastic since GD was clamoring for an exit... but it should have never reached that point.

Riley knows what he's doing. You do realize he is the one who made the deal right? He sees talent. We let a good one, possibly the most talented player we have had in the McDuh era slip away. And worse... we invested in Bledsoe, who will cash his chips in too. Want to talk about that ?

It was an incredible trade. Goran had the ability to walk in 4 months. And we were still able to extract valuable assets from the trade. He. Was. Going. To. Walk. The whole league knew it. And we got 2 valuable picks. Arguably, we got a better deal for Goran than the Pacers did for PG. This ain't complicated.

[bwgood77]

Yup... trade the closet thing we've had to an all star / all NBA for distant picks ..... so if this yrs pick is # 20+ is it really a heist ? If the

Bledsoe was closer than Dragic was and is.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Eric+Bledsoe&player_id1_select=Eric+Bledsoe&y1=2015&player_id1=bledser01&idx=players&player_id2_hint=Goran+Dragic&player_id2_select=Goran+Dragic&y2=2015&player_id2=dragigo01&idx=players

....but let me guess, numbers dont matter, but according to your "eye test" Dragic was the man.

At the time I enjoyed Goran more and thought he was better for the team, but thought Bledsoe was probably the smart choice if you HAD to choose due to having not played much, having upside, athleticism, being younger, etc. Bled puts up better numbers in some respect, but in hindsight, after watching them both go, Dragic is simply a guy that knows how to win. Will his individual numbers looks as good? Maybe, maybe not. Doesn't matter. He was playing with super scrubs last year outside of Whiteside and they went 30-11 down the stretch and they will probably be pretty good this year too with lesser names than we have. Of course much of that has to do with coaching, which is of course what this thread is about.

[Kerrsed]

Yup... trade the closet thing we've had to an all star / all NBA for distant picks ..... so if this yrs pick is # 20+ is it really a heist ? If the

Bledsoe was closer than Dragic was and is.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Eric+Bledsoe&player_id1_select=Eric+Bledsoe&y1=2015&player_id1=bledser01&idx=players&player_id2_hint=Goran+Dragic&player_id2_select=Goran+Dragic&y2=2015&player_id2=dragigo01&idx=players

....but let me guess, numbers dont matter, but according to your "eye test" Dragic was the man.

At the time I enjoyed Goran more and thought he was better for the team, but thought Bledsoe was probably the smart choice if you HAD to choose due to having not played much, having upside, athleticism, being younger, etc. Bled puts up better numbers in some respect, but in hindsight, after watching them both go, Dragic is simply a guy that knows how to win. Will his individual numbers looks as good? Maybe, maybe not. Doesn't matter. He was playing with super scrubs last year outside of Whiteside and they went 30-11 down the stretch and they will probably be pretty good this year too with lesser names than we have. Of course much of that has to do with coaching, which is of course what this thread is about.

I agree, better coaching, playing in the East against much weaker teams and playing next to the rebound/defensive king that is Whiteside does help a lot.

Sorry this thread got a bit sideways, but when someone declares McD's acquisition of Bledsoe as a bad move, i have to bring out the facts.

Give Watson 3-4 months, once we rack up the losses, can him and grab Ettore Messina. I spent last night watching his coaching videos on Youtube and the guy is amazing. He hold clinics teaching other coaches how to teach basketball and systems. It was a good watch.

[MrMiyagi]

Yup... trade the closet thing we've had to an all star / all NBA for distant picks ..... so if this yrs pick is # 20+ is it really a heist ? If the

Bledsoe was closer than Dragic was and is.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Eric+Bledsoe&player_id1_select=Eric+Bledsoe&y1=2015&player_id1=bledser01&idx=players&player_id2_hint=Goran+Dragic&player_id2_select=Goran+Dragic&y2=2015&player_id2=dragigo01&idx=players

....but let me guess, numbers dont matter, but according to your "eye test" Dragic was the man.

Bledsoe and Dragic are the same tier of player. Anyone who thinks we'd be a better team with Dragic is fooling themselves.

It's not like Miami is exactly a contender, but I guess barely missing the playoffs is better than missing them by a large margin?

I really enjoyed watching our team down the stretch last year. Yeah, we've started this season off rough, but I'm still excited to watch this group of guys.

[starbosa10]

youngest team in the league and rebuilding. think he'll finish the year

[Kerrsed]

It's not like Miami is exactly a contender, but I guess barely missing the playoffs is better than missing them by a large margin?

But is it really? I mean we spent years missing the playoffs only to have a #15 pick. If we were to miss the playoffs, id rather get a top pick out of it.

[denial]

Let us remember that all the Suns players were on the same page about keeping Watson when Hornacek was shown the door.
The players seem to like him. And I do think he has the right personality for our young guys.

My kids like to stay up all night on school nights watching youtube and eating chips.
That's why they have parents.

If players knew what they needed to do to be a team and win games, they wouldn't need a coach.
What the players like is the least relevant thing we can be talking about.

BUT, we AT LEAST need to add an offensive coordinator, because Watson's plays suck and our offense is awful.
No one moves without the ball! That's just bad coaching.

So if we have bad coaching we solve it by adding an Off. Coordinator?
Why not just get rid of the guy doing the bad coaching?

[LukasBMW]

Let us remember that all the Suns players were on the same page about keeping Watson when Hornacek was shown the door.
The players seem to like him. And I do think he has the right personality for our young guys.

My kids like to stay up all night on school nights watching youtube and eating chips.
That's why they have parents.

If players knew what they needed to do to be a team and win games, they wouldn't need a coach.
What the players like is the least relevant thing we can be talking about.

BUT, we AT LEAST need to add an offensive coordinator, because Watson's plays suck and our offense is awful.
No one moves without the ball! That's just bad coaching.

So if we have bad coaching we solve it by adding an Off. Coordinator?
Why not just get rid of the guy doing the bad coaching?

Because we're in a unique situation where we need to keep the players happy and keep their confidence up while we get the crap kicked out of us for 82 games. Watson is here to be Tony Robbins. Once we're ready to win again, then we need to hire a real coach. Until then, an "offensive coordinator" can fill in the gaps.

But putting someone like Larry Brown in charge (hardass with a big ego, who had a habit of cutting down young players) could be a disaster.

[lilfishi22]

Let us remember that all the Suns players were on the same page about keeping Watson when Hornacek was shown the door.

The players seem to like him. And I do think he has the right personality for our young guys. BUT, we AT LEAST need to add an offensive coordinator, because Watson's plays suck and our offense is awful.

No one moves without the ball! That's just bad coaching.

Players don't always know what's best for them. It's like working with a really cool manager who let's you get off work early on the regular or is "cool" when he knows you're not really take a sick day off work because you're sick. It's cool but in the end, the work suffers. I REALLY think the potential 'backlash' if he was fired is incredibly overblown. I'm sure he (Watson) and the players know it can't keep going like this. Either you trade players (doable but not desirable), replace the HC (doable and I'm sure there's appetite for that) or the HC suddenly becomes competent (haven't seen any evidence this is possible).

[Kerrsed]

#ThinkOfTheChildren!!!

[bwgood77]

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