10/19 - POSTGAME | New York Knicks (84) - (105) Oklahoma City Thunder

[RalphSampsonJr]

For those that prefer grant or abrines over Robinson, this game wasn’t the one to come out swinging in behalf of Alex and Jerami. Better to just ignore it like sleek.

Its like this game was a perfect example of what we have all been arguing about all off season.
I see the guys on the anti Robes bandwagon gloss over every important fact that happened that game.
Little to no mention of Adams AMAZING defense,
Grant got a three or two so must be wat better than Robes,
No mention of Kanter getting absolutely ruined out there,
How are we suppose to have good discussions with guys that don't wanna see the whole picture??

I agree completely. Adams was a beast on the defensive end and very efficient on offense as well.

I know what having Roberson in the starting lineup does for our defense, the only reservation I have about Roberson is how he will affect us in the playoffs when we are playing a Houston or a Golden State or one of the better defensive teams in the league. Time will tell, I'm just worried about not having optimal spacing as we all know is huge in today's NBA.

Also, someone mentioned plus-minus above. I just want to point out that while it was against a terrible Knicks team, Grant was +14 and Abrines was +23, and again, while it was a terrible Knicks team, it was working. I think the biggest thing Grant provides is transition offense. If you are playing Grant at the 5, there aren't many other 5s who can beat him down the floor, and he does provide rim protection, he just needs to get better at not fouling, lol. But there is no question, you have to worry about Grant's shot-blocking ability when you get into the paint. I'm definitely interested to see more from this experiment.

I literally watched Kanter spin himself into a travel and a turnover. He looked like a dog chasing his tail for a moment.

Can we please talk more about how efficient Westbrook was tonight? OMG! 7 out of 12. I can't remember the last time he took that few of shots. That was really encouraging. Is there any way to see the last time Westbrook had 12 or less FGA per 36 minutes in a game?

Im not concerned about Grants shot blocking as we all know he can get up!
I am however concerned with his lack of positioning when at the 5. He just seems to be in the wrong place more often than not.
And yes his fouling is also a worry!
The rebounding of Grant and Patterson also concerns me. If they are playing the 4 and 5 for an extended time against a Jazz, Clippers etc we will be in a heap of trouble.

Westbrook made it look too easy last night. Took a backseat yet still runs the game beautifully!
Defense from the starters was something to look forward to! very good signs.

[ThunderBolt]

Shot blocking is so overrated. It’s like a tipped pass. It’s can result in a turnover or do absolutely nothing. It’s a great momentum play but it’s not really a reason to keep grant around.

[spearsy23]

For those that prefer grant or abrines over Robinson, this game wasn’t the one to come out swinging in behalf of Alex and Jerami. Better to just ignore it like sleek.

Not really a Robes game, the Knicks have nobody on the perimeter worth guarding so this is exactly the type of game where he should get 15-20 minutes. I actually like what Donovan did with him last night. If it'd been a close game he probably would've played about 25 minutes, which is where I like him best.

[sleestak33]

For those that prefer grant or abrines over Robinson, this game wasn’t the one to come out swinging in behalf of Alex and Jerami. Better to just ignore it like sleek.

Its like this game was a perfect example of what we have all been arguing about all off season.
I see the guys on the anti Robes bandwagon gloss over every important fact that happened that game.
Little to no mention of Adams AMAZING defense,
Grant got a three or two so must be wat better than Robes,
No mention of Kanter getting absolutely ruined out there,
How are we suppose to have good discussions with guys that don't wanna see the whole picture??

I agree completely. Adams was a beast on the defensive end and very efficient on offense as well.

I know what having Roberson in the starting lineup does for our defense, the only reservation I have about Roberson is how he will affect us in the playoffs when we are playing a Houston or a Golden State or one of the better defensive teams in the league. Time will tell, I'm just worried about not having optimal spacing as we all know is huge in today's NBA.

Also, someone mentioned plus-minus above. I just want to point out that while it was against a terrible Knicks team, Grant was +14 and Abrines was +23, and again, while it was a terrible Knicks team, it was working. I think the biggest thing Grant provides is transition offense. If you are playing Grant at the 5, there aren't many other 5s who can beat him down the floor, and he does provide rim protection, he just needs to get better at not fouling, lol. But there is no question, you have to worry about Grant's shot-blocking ability when you get into the paint. I'm definitely interested to see more from this experiment.

I literally watched Kanter spin himself into a travel and a turnover. He looked like a dog chasing his tail for a moment.

Can we please talk more about how efficient Westbrook was tonight? OMG! 7 out of 12. I can't remember the last time he took that few of shots. That was really encouraging. Is there any way to see the last time Westbrook had 12 or less FGA per 36 minutes in a game?

We have already seen how starting Roberson affects us in the playoffs..it's a disaster. The Warriors and Rockets completely disregard him because of his pathetic offense and they're using his defender like a free safety to either clog the lane or double team. It's a big part of why OKC lost to the Warriors because Draymond was on Roberson and he would run at KD or Westbrook when they tried to drive and it caused a multitude of missed shots. Against the Rockets it was a tremendous advantage for Harden who never had to expend any energy defensively. That's the main thing all of these Roberson supporters don't get is the number of issues he causes that they just refuse to admit. Allowing KD, Khawi Leonard and James Harden to never have to expend any energy on defense in a playoff series for over 30 minutes per game is a tremendous advantage. The best way to combat a really great offensive player is to make them work on defense and Roberson completely negates that. Combine that with the advantage of playing 5 against 4 defensively and it's just too much to overcome against an elite team. Roberson will kill the team against the Warriors, Rockets and the elite teams in the NBA.

[ThunderBolt]

Its like this game was a perfect example of what we have all been arguing about all off season.
I see the guys on the anti Robes bandwagon gloss over every important fact that happened that game.
Little to no mention of Adams AMAZING defense,
Grant got a three or two so must be wat better than Robes,
No mention of Kanter getting absolutely ruined out there,
How are we suppose to have good discussions with guys that don't wanna see the whole picture??

I agree completely. Adams was a beast on the defensive end and very efficient on offense as well.

I know what having Roberson in the starting lineup does for our defense, the only reservation I have about Roberson is how he will affect us in the playoffs when we are playing a Houston or a Golden State or one of the better defensive teams in the league. Time will tell, I'm just worried about not having optimal spacing as we all know is huge in today's NBA.

Also, someone mentioned plus-minus above. I just want to point out that while it was against a terrible Knicks team, Grant was +14 and Abrines was +23, and again, while it was a terrible Knicks team, it was working. I think the biggest thing Grant provides is transition offense. If you are playing Grant at the 5, there aren't many other 5s who can beat him down the floor, and he does provide rim protection, he just needs to get better at not fouling, lol. But there is no question, you have to worry about Grant's shot-blocking ability when you get into the paint. I'm definitely interested to see more from this experiment.

I literally watched Kanter spin himself into a travel and a turnover. He looked like a dog chasing his tail for a moment.

Can we please talk more about how efficient Westbrook was tonight? OMG! 7 out of 12. I can't remember the last time he took that few of shots. That was really encouraging. Is there any way to see the last time Westbrook had 12 or less FGA per 36 minutes in a game?

We have already seen how starting Roberson affects us in the playoffs..it's a disaster. The Warriors and Rockets completely disregard him because of his pathetic offense and they're using his defender like a free safety to either clog the lane or double team. It's a big part of why OKC lost to the Warriors because Draymond was on Roberson and he would run at KD or Westbrook when they tried to drive and it caused a multitude of missed shots. Against the Rockets it was a tremendous advantage for Harden who never had to expend any energy defensively. That's the main thing all of these Roberson supporters don't get is the number of issues he causes that they just refuse to admit. Allowing KD, Khawi Leonard and James Harden to never have to expend any energy on defense in a playoff series for over 30 minutes per game is a tremendous advantage. The best way to combat a really great offensive player is to make them work on defense and Roberson completely negates that. Combine that with the advantage of playing 5 against 4 defensively and it's just too much to overcome against an elite team. Roberson will kill the team against the Warriors, Rockets and the elite teams in the NBA.

What did you think of kanters performance against the thunder? How many games do you expect the Knicks to win in the lowly east now that Kanter is a starting center?

[RalphSampsonJr]

For those that prefer grant or abrines over Robinson, this game wasn’t the one to come out swinging in behalf of Alex and Jerami. Better to just ignore it like sleek.

Not really a Robes game, the Knicks have nobody on the perimeter worth guarding so this is exactly the type of game where he should get 15-20 minutes. I actually like what Donovan did with him last night. If it'd been a close game he probably would've played about 25 minutes, which is where I like him best.

Abrines didnt exactly do anything but sit out on the 3pt line like Roberson would of though.
Abrines wasnt moving off screens or anything really. he got a couple passes and hit a three or two when he sat in the one spot then got exposed on D more than twice that i counted.
Robes would of done the same thing. Yea he would of missed the threes but he also wouldnt have allowed the defense miscues that Abrines did.
Having Abrines in didnt show me any signs of why he should start or get more minutes. They need to watch the dubs and make Abrines a Klay 2.0. with that much offensive talent in that line up he should be getting plenty of space. i didnt see him get much at all last game. That is on Billy. draw up some plays and get Abrines running through Adams and PG screens to get open looks as their wont be much help D from the opposition when you have Russ and Melo on the court

[RalphSampsonJr]

I agree completely. Adams was a beast on the defensive end and very efficient on offense as well.

I know what having Roberson in the starting lineup does for our defense, the only reservation I have about Roberson is how he will affect us in the playoffs when we are playing a Houston or a Golden State or one of the better defensive teams in the league. Time will tell, I'm just worried about not having optimal spacing as we all know is huge in today's NBA.

Also, someone mentioned plus-minus above. I just want to point out that while it was against a terrible Knicks team, Grant was +14 and Abrines was +23, and again, while it was a terrible Knicks team, it was working. I think the biggest thing Grant provides is transition offense. If you are playing Grant at the 5, there aren't many other 5s who can beat him down the floor, and he does provide rim protection, he just needs to get better at not fouling, lol. But there is no question, you have to worry about Grant's shot-blocking ability when you get into the paint. I'm definitely interested to see more from this experiment.

I literally watched Kanter spin himself into a travel and a turnover. He looked like a dog chasing his tail for a moment.

Can we please talk more about how efficient Westbrook was tonight? OMG! 7 out of 12. I can't remember the last time he took that few of shots. That was really encouraging. Is there any way to see the last time Westbrook had 12 or less FGA per 36 minutes in a game?

We have already seen how starting Roberson affects us in the playoffs..it's a disaster. The Warriors and Rockets completely disregard him because of his pathetic offense and they're using his defender like a free safety to either clog the lane or double team. It's a big part of why OKC lost to the Warriors because Draymond was on Roberson and he would run at KD or Westbrook when they tried to drive and it caused a multitude of missed shots. Against the Rockets it was a tremendous advantage for Harden who never had to expend any energy defensively. That's the main thing all of these Roberson supporters don't get is the number of issues he causes that they just refuse to admit. Allowing KD, Khawi Leonard and James Harden to never have to expend any energy on defense in a playoff series for over 30 minutes per game is a tremendous advantage. The best way to combat a really great offensive player is to make them work on defense and Roberson completely negates that. Combine that with the advantage of playing 5 against 4 defensively and it's just too much to overcome against an elite team. Roberson will kill the team against the Warriors, Rockets and the elite teams in the NBA.

What did you think of kanters performance against the thunder? How many games do you expect the Knicks to win in the lowly east now that Kanter is a starting center?

Yea i see NO talk of Kanter lol..
Sleestaks no1 center looked terrible when going up against an above average post defender.
The Knicks will have one of the worst defenses in the league now that hes on there. He will not help the knicks one bit and if it wasnt for the bulls, they would be dead last this season.
Oh and hes going to FINALLY starting and playing 25-30 minutes!

[knuckles862]

Knicks fan here with some info on melo:

He is going to be hot and cold throughout the course of the game regardless if it’s a good shot or not. I’m sure you saw that based on how cold he was in the first half as opposed to the second half he hit most of his shots

[hardenASG13]

Knicks fan here with some info on melo:

He is going to be hot and cold throughout the course of the game regardless if it’s a good shot or not. I’m sure you saw that based on how cold he was in the first half as opposed to the second half he hit most of his shots

Thank You! Shocking to see okc fans on here jump on his shot selection when he misses a few....its like they don't realize they aren't bad shots for him, and he can/will make them, in bunches at times, which is what makes him a special player.

[spearsy23]

Knicks fan here with some info on melo:

He is going to be hot and cold throughout the course of the game regardless if it’s a good shot or not. I’m sure you saw that based on how cold he was in the first half as opposed to the second half he hit most of his shots

Thank You! Shocking to see okc fans on here jump on his shot selection when he misses a few....its like they don't realize they aren't bad shots for him, and he can/will make them, in bunches at times, which is what makes him a special player.

I counted 3 times in the first quarter and a half where he used 10+ seconds of the shot clock isolating before taking a contested shot. I don't really care about contested shots as long as he is being decisive.

Also, I don't think his shot selection was horrible this game. He just had a bad game because he wasnt rebounding and was awful in the first quarter.

[sleestak33]

We have already seen how starting Roberson affects us in the playoffs..it's a disaster. The Warriors and Rockets completely disregard him because of his pathetic offense and they're using his defender like a free safety to either clog the lane or double team. It's a big part of why OKC lost to the Warriors because Draymond was on Roberson and he would run at KD or Westbrook when they tried to drive and it caused a multitude of missed shots. Against the Rockets it was a tremendous advantage for Harden who never had to expend any energy defensively. That's the main thing all of these Roberson supporters don't get is the number of issues he causes that they just refuse to admit. Allowing KD, Khawi Leonard and James Harden to never have to expend any energy on defense in a playoff series for over 30 minutes per game is a tremendous advantage. The best way to combat a really great offensive player is to make them work on defense and Roberson completely negates that. Combine that with the advantage of playing 5 against 4 defensively and it's just too much to overcome against an elite team. Roberson will kill the team against the Warriors, Rockets and the elite teams in the NBA.

What did you think of kanters performance against the thunder? How many games do you expect the Knicks to win in the lowly east now that Kanter is a starting center?

Yea i see NO talk of Kanter lol..
Sleestaks no1 center looked terrible when going up against an above average post defender.
The Knicks will have one of the worst defenses in the league now that hes on there. He will not help the knicks one bit and if it wasnt for the bulls, they would be dead last this season.
Oh and hes going to FINALLY starting and playing 25-30 minutes!

Kanter had 10 points and 7 rebounds in 22 minutes playing against Adams and he really didn't play well but he's playing with different personnel and a different system so I'm sure it will take him a little time to adjust. This year he is at 13.5 points and 8.5 rebounds in 23 minutes per game which puts his per36 minute averages right around where they were last year at 25/12. I stand by what I've said in that he will be one of only 5 bigs to average 20/10 this year. They're going to have to play him big minutes because they need his offense and superior rebounding (he is a dominant offense rebounder...probably the best in the NBA) and if he gets anywhere close to 35 minutes he will hit those marks. Their team isn't any good so they won't have a good record but it doesn't change the fact he's an elite scorer and rebounder.

[RalphSampsonJr]

What did you think of kanters performance against the thunder? How many games do you expect the Knicks to win in the lowly east now that Kanter is a starting center?

Yea i see NO talk of Kanter lol..
Sleestaks no1 center looked terrible when going up against an above average post defender.
The Knicks will have one of the worst defenses in the league now that hes on there. He will not help the knicks one bit and if it wasnt for the bulls, they would be dead last this season.
Oh and hes going to FINALLY starting and playing 25-30 minutes!

Kanter had 10 points and 7 rebounds in 22 minutes playing against Adams and he really didn't play well but he's playing with different personnel and a different system so I'm sure it will take him a little time to adjust. This year he is at 13.5 points and 8.5 rebounds in 23 minutes per game which puts his per36 minute averages right around where they were last year at 25/12. I stand by what I've said in that he will be one of only 5 bigs to average 20/10 this year. They're going to have to play him big minutes because they need his offense and superior rebounding (he is a dominant offense rebounder...probably the best in the NBA) and if he gets anywhere close to 35 minutes he will hit those marks. Their team isn't any good so they won't have a good record but it doesn't change the fact he's an elite scorer and rebounder.

LOL

[ThunderBolt]

What did you think of kanters performance against the thunder? How many games do you expect the Knicks to win in the lowly east now that Kanter is a starting center?

Yea i see NO talk of Kanter lol..
Sleestaks no1 center looked terrible when going up against an above average post defender.
The Knicks will have one of the worst defenses in the league now that hes on there. He will not help the knicks one bit and if it wasnt for the bulls, they would be dead last this season.
Oh and hes going to FINALLY starting and playing 25-30 minutes!

Kanter had 10 points and 7 rebounds in 22 minutes playing against Adams and he really didn't play well but he's playing with different personnel and a different system so I'm sure it will take him a little time to adjust. This year he is at 13.5 points and 8.5 rebounds in 23 minutes per game which puts his per36 minute averages right around where they were last year at 25/12. I stand by what I've said in that he will be one of only 5 bigs to average 20/10 this year. They're going to have to play him big minutes because they need his offense and superior rebounding (he is a dominant offense rebounder...probably the best in the NBA) and if he gets anywhere close to 35 minutes he will hit those marks. Their team isn't any good so they won't have a good record but it doesn't change the fact he's an elite scorer and rebounder.

So despite Kanter being an elite scorer and rebounder, playing alongside portzingis and playing in the lowly east, his numbers won’t translate into wins. How many wins do you predict the knick will get this year?