Solomon Hill

[HurricaneDij25]

His contract is terrible, it makes him a negative asset in my mind and Thad Young is a positive assest, I definitely would not consider that deal.

Please elaborate as to what you think makes Thad Young a "positive asset". Because his contract is worse IMO. To me he's a backup PF on any team with playoff aspirations and is the true definition of "tweener" - Not big enough to bang inside with the big boys and not quick enough to play the perimeter.

[tocooks101]

His contract is terrible, it makes him a negative asset in my mind and Thad Young is a positive assest, I definitely would not consider that deal.

Please elaborate as to what you think makes Thad Young a "positive asset". Because his contract is worse IMO. To me he's a backup PF on any team with playoff aspirations and is the true definition of "tweener" - Not big enough to bang inside with the big boys and not quick enough to play the perimeter.

Oh wow you quoted me twice with two different quotes of your own and multiple paragraphs, not sure I can address all your questions and concerns but ill take at shot at just this one above.

Thad Young is a positive asset based on the fact that he has value, the proof would be that we traded a 1st round pick for him about 1 year ago.Now you could argue that he had a bad year last year, there is some logic there but you would be hard pressed to convince me he has fallen off a cliff to the point where he went from having mid 1st round pick value to no value in 1 year while averaging basically the same numbers he has always averaged.

I have already stated (along with several other posters) why Solomon Hill has a negative value, his contract is terrible and he simply is not that good of a player, and now he is injured, I really dont know what else to say about this.

[HurricaneDij25]

His contract is terrible, it makes him a negative asset in my mind and Thad Young is a positive assest, I definitely would not consider that deal.

Please elaborate as to what you think makes Thad Young a "positive asset". Because his contract is worse IMO. To me he's a backup PF on any team with playoff aspirations and is the true definition of "tweener" - Not big enough to bang inside with the big boys and not quick enough to play the perimeter.

Oh wow you quoted me twice with two different quotes of your own and multiple paragraphs, not sure I can address all your questions and concerns but ill take at shot at just this one above.

Thad Young is a positive asset based on the fact that he has value, the proof would be that we traded a 1st round pick for him about 1 year ago.Now you could argue that he had a bad year last year, there is some logic there but you would be hard pressed to convince me he has fallen off a cliff to the point where he went from having mid 1st round pick value to no value in 1 year while averaging basically the same numbers he has always averaged.

I have already stated (along with several other posters) why Solomon Hill has a negative value, his contract is terrible and he simply is not that good of a player, and now he is injured, I really dont know what else to say about this.

Key word "one year ago". Just because a player is worth a first round pick a year ago doesn't mean he is today.

As it stands currently, we're basically going to be throwing four games a year with Bojan being matched up against LeBron. Back to Solomon Hill, he put up solid numbers during his final 37 starts last season, averaging 8.2 points and 4.1 rebounds per game while connecting on 36.8 percent of his threes. Not great numbers, but solid, and he allows us to put a legit body on the perimeter to cover LeBron. And that's just what the Pacers need at the SF position. Any way you spin it, Turner and Oladipo are going to be the focal points of this team, so we don't necessarily need a stud at the position.

Hill also posted a positive plus/minus rating during that timeframe in spite of the Pelicans' mediocre record.

Again, I'm talking about this as a potential move next summer once he's fully healthy, so we would be only looking at a two-year commitment, similar to the Nets and DeMarre Carroll.

[Wizop]

try to edit your quotes so only what is necessary to show context gets repeated over and over again.

Thad Young is an important piece of this team. he is a solid veteran on a reasonable contract. however, the future of the four spot is Leaf and Sabonis. Thad is the transition. if he opts out and gets 20mm offers, we shouldn't chase. if you want to argue that if we'd known PG was leaving sooner we would have kept our draft pick, no one would disagree.

do we need help at three? for sure. I've already started scanning the draft boards for one. that doesn't mean we made a mistake with Solo. he was coasting. not exercising our option lit a fire under him. had he learned that lesson a year earlier, he'd still be here.

but guarding LeBron isn't a priority. our core is 10 or 12 years younger than he is. we've got time to improve the three. we'll also need a younger one if Sumner wasn't a steal.

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[xxSnEaKyPxx]

How few games would we have to have won at the deadline to make the tanking move of trading Thad?

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We should trade him regardless.

I like Thad, but there is absolutely no reason to keep him on the roster right now.

[Wizop]

How few games would we have to have won at the deadline to make the tanking move of trading Thad?

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We should trade him regardless.

I like Thad, but there is absolutely no reason to keep him on the roster right now.

winning games isn't a reason?

Leaf did look better than I expected last night though and that has me wanting to give Thad some minutes at 3. even if that experiment flops, I'd move Jefferson before I'd move Thad. need to see more of Ike first though.

bottom line: I'm not willing to sacrifice winnable games for player development. I believe in the onion theory of team building where layers are peeled off. I see Thad, Bojan, and Collison as players who should start today but will need to be peeled off for younger players in a year or two. Thad has the next layer in place behind him but he's still the best option today. as much as I like Joseph and GRob, I doubt either is a long term answer.

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[xxSnEaKyPxx]

winning games isn't a reason?

Leaf did look better than I expected last night though and that has me wanting to give Thad some minutes at 3. even if that experiment flops, I'd move Jefferson before I'd move Thad. need to see more of Ike first though.

bottom line: I'm not willing to sacrifice winnable games for player development. I believe in the onion theory of team building where layers are peeled off. I see Thad, Bojan, and Collison as players who should start today but will need to be peeled off for younger players in a year or two. Thad has the next layer in place behind him but he's still the best option today. as much as I like Joseph and GRob, I doubt either is a long term answer.

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We're not making the playoffs this year. Sabonis is ready to start at PF.

But more importantly, we are a team rebuilding, Thaddeus Young is one of the few players we can trade away who actually has some value. If we can get a pick or another young player to pair with this core, it makes a lot more sense for our future than it does to try to win as many games as possible only to get the 14th pick in the draft.

[Wizop]

We agree he's not a long term piece. whether we get the most value in a trade or letting him walk at the end of his contract and using the cap room is an open question. I think we can be patient and not take the first offer.

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[xxSnEaKyPxx]

We agree he's not a long term piece. whether we get the most value in a trade or letting him walk at the end of his contract and using the cap room is an open question. I think we can be patient and not take the first offer.

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I never said we should take the first offer, just that we should trade him if we can acquire a pick or a young player who fits our future plans.

[winter_mute_13]

I felt Solo was at his best here as a smallball 4 off the bench. Guess I don't really see the point of getting him back here.

[PTA]

We should have brought Hill back for his fourth year. We could have cut him later if he didn't improve. He was lucky that he became a free agent when spending was crazy. He is overpaid and would be a bench player on many teams. Why would we trade a starter worth his contract for a lesser player on a bad contract?

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[Wizop]

We agree he's not a long term piece. whether we get the most value in a trade or letting him walk at the end of his contract and using the cap room is an open question. I think we can be patient and not take the first offer.

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I never said we should take the first offer, just that we should trade him if we can acquire a pick or a young player who fits our future plans.

it's just a matter of emphasis then. I don't want to shop Thad or Al, but I'd take a good offer for either one particularly if Ike is ready to be a third string center. why does Ike matter, because if he's not ready, then Sabonis will have to play more backup center.

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[xxSnEaKyPxx]

We agree he's not a long term piece. whether we get the most value in a trade or letting him walk at the end of his contract and using the cap room is an open question. I think we can be patient and not take the first offer.

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I never said we should take the first offer, just that we should trade him if we can acquire a pick or a young player who fits our future plans.

it's just a matter of emphasis then. I don't want to shop Thad or Al, but I'd take a good offer for either one particularly if Ike is ready to be a third string center. why does Ike matter, because if he's not ready, then Sabonis will have to play more backup center.

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Again, we're not winning much this year anyway.

If we can get a first for Thad, we have to do it. We can sign a backup Center if need be.

[Wizop]

I never said we should take the first offer, just that we should trade him if we can acquire a pick or a young player who fits our future plans.

it's just a matter of emphasis then. I don't want to shop Thad or Al, but I'd take a good offer for either one particularly if Ike is ready to be a third string center. why does Ike matter, because if he's not ready, then Sabonis will have to play more backup center.

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Again, we're not winning much this year anyway.

If we can get a first for Thad, we have to do it. We can sign a backup Center if need be.

I'd see what I could get for Jefferson first, but I wouldn't turn down a first for Thad.

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[xxSnEaKyPxx]

I'd see what I could get for Jefferson first, but I wouldn't turn down a first for Thad.

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The only way we are getting rid of Jefferson is if someone is willing to part with a nice young prospect as apart of a salary dump. No one is going to be knocking on the door for him.

[boomershadow]

The topic of Solomon Hill I think is over. We don't need him back, and I haven't seen or heard anything that makes me think he is coming back or that we will pursue getting him. The last year of his rookie deal that we probably in hindsight should have exercised is milk that was spilt a long, long time ago

Thad Young should probably be a different topic altogether.

[Wizop]

I'd see what I could get for Jefferson first, but I wouldn't turn down a first for Thad.

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The only way we are getting rid of Jefferson is if someone is willing to part with a nice young prospect as apart of a salary dump. No one is going to be knocking on the door for him.

salary dump for sure and we can absorb some for a prospect or picks.

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