Markelle Fultz Discussion II

[CoreyGallagher]

You do realize Boston fans are laughing at all of us Sixers fans right? Do you know how embarrassing that is?

It's not embarrassing at all, actually. I'd be embarrassed if their opinions actually did matter to me, tbh.

[LakerLegendMikeSmrek]

He was the best player in the draft and also the best fit. I don't think it was odd Ainge didn't want him, because he's a horrible GM and a poor talent evaluator.

The Celtics won't get Bagley.

If Ainge is such a horrible GM then what does that make BC for getting fleeced by him in a trade? You do realize Boston fans are laughing at all of us Sixers fans right? Do you know how embarrassing that is? Fultz was not the best player. And I think it’s amazing you know for sure the Celtics won’t get Bagley lol. Tonight is Fultz’s chance to ball out with Embiid out. Fultz can take more shots.

He didn't get fleeced, Colangelo fleeced Ainge. The price to move up to #1 is typically so much greater, he moved up on a bargain and got the best player and the best fit.

Fultz is not going to shoot more, he's not healthy enough yet.

If that helps you sleep at night.

The only time a significant price was paid, that I could recall, was in 1993 when the GS Warriors gave Orlando three future 1st round picks to swap places with the Magic. GS then took Chris Weber with the #1 pick, and the Magic took Hardaway with the #3 pick. But that was Chris Weber we're talking about, a SKILLED BIG was premium.

I don't see the separation between Fultz and the rest of this class that warrants giving up the Lakers pick, which looks like it's going to be pretty good.

[LongLiveHinkie]

You do realize Boston fans are laughing at all of us Sixers fans right? Do you know how embarrassing that is?

It's not embarrassing at all, actually. Lol.

He's creating narratives in his own head.

And that's the same fan base that FREAKED out when they traded out of #1 for Fultz. They wanted him so badly and were furious they had to "settle" on Tatum or Jackson and then were pissed they passed on Jackson for Tatum.

The bottom line is the trade will be decided in 3-5 years. Not after one season, let alone 2 games of that one season.

As far as I'm concerned we haven't even seen "Markelle Fultz" yet as he's not even able to shoot. It's like having Michael Vick without being able to run. If you have a Vick who can't run you don't have Michael Vick. A Fultz who isn't able to shoot outside of 5 feet is not Markelle Fultz. We won't be able to analyze the deal until his shoulder gets healthy.

[chris4celts]

I am not trolling. C's fan here.

I was happy with the trade and liked Tatum and Jackson a lot. But it was not a clear "win" for Boston at the time. Many Cs fans were torching Ainge for trading away the 1st overall pick. The Cs have never had the 1st overall pick in the modern era so this was viewed by many as risky and ill-advised. "Just take the best player and move on" was the mentality. Don't mess around.

I am curious about Fultz's jump shot. What is going on? I thought his shot was a major strength. So I am as surprised an anyone. I hope he works his way through this because he's too good a talent. I take no satisfaction in seeing the kid not play well. Why is his form so different? Why won't he take open jump shots?

[LongLiveHinkie]

I am not trolling. C's fan here.

I was happy with the trade and liked Tatum and Jackson a lot. But it was not a clear "win" for Boston at the time. Many Cs fans were torching Ainge for trading away the 1st overall pick. The Cs have never had the 1st overall pick in the modern era so this was viewed by many as risky and ill-advised. "Just take the best player and move on" was the mentality. Don't mess around.

I am curious about Fultz's jump shot. What is going on? I thought his shot was a major strength. So I am as surprised an anyone. I hope he works his way through this because he's too good a talent. I take no satisfaction in seeing the kid not play well. Why is his form so different? Why won't he take open jump shots?

His shoulder is hurting and knowing the Sixers medical staff it's hurting a lot worse than they are letting on. He's trying to find ways to shoot and score without aggravating it and causing him pain.

[CoreyGallagher]

You do realize Boston fans are laughing at all of us Sixers fans right? Do you know how embarrassing that is?

It's not embarrassing at all, actually. Lol.

He's creating narratives in his own head.

And that's the same fan base that FREAKED out when they traded out of #1 for Fultz. They wanted him so badly and were furious they had to "settle" on Tatum or Jackson and then were pissed they passed on Jackson for Tatum.

The bottom line is the trade will be decided in 3-5 years. Not after one season, let alone 2 games of that one season.

As far as I'm concerned we haven't even seen "Markelle Fultz" yet as he's not even able to shoot. It's like having Michael Vick without being able to run. If you have a Vick who can't run you don't have Michael Vick. A Fultz who isn't able to shoot outside of 5 feet is not Markelle Fultz. We won't be able to analyze the deal until his shoulder gets healthy.

Their opinions will always be opinions that assume the best for the Celtics. Read some of their #1 pick threads, their reaction to the trade threads, their #3 pick threads, before Jackson spurned them and Tatum became the obvious pick.

Spoiler:

What you assume the posts are, is what the posts are.

[chris4celts]

I am not trolling. C's fan here.

I was happy with the trade and liked Tatum and Jackson a lot. But it was not a clear "win" for Boston at the time. Many Cs fans were torching Ainge for trading away the 1st overall pick. The Cs have never had the 1st overall pick in the modern era so this was viewed by many as risky and ill-advised. "Just take the best player and move on" was the mentality. Don't mess around.

I am curious about Fultz's jump shot. What is going on? I thought his shot was a major strength. So I am as surprised an anyone. I hope he works his way through this because he's too good a talent. I take no satisfaction in seeing the kid not play well. Why is his form so different? Why won't he take open jump shots?

His shoulder is hurting and knowing the Sixers medical staff it's hurting a lot worse than they are letting on. He's trying to find ways to shoot and score without aggravating it and causing him pain.

Ok, thanks, that makes sense and is encouraging that he can get back to old form eventually. But why not sit him? Get him right? That's what makes no sense to me. Something does not add up.

Good luck to all. Hope we can build the Cs / Sixers rivalry back to 80s status.

[lamscott]

Take it from a Laker fan. Be patient with your prized rookie. He is still feeling out the NBA.


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[chris4celts]

Take it from a Laker fan. Be patient with your prized rookie. He is still feeling out the NBA.


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Last comment. Not that I disagree in this case, but as a general rule, you'd all be wise here to ignore any advice from Lakers' fans. They're not the smartest bunch.

[LongLiveHinkie]

I am not trolling. C's fan here.

I was happy with the trade and liked Tatum and Jackson a lot. But it was not a clear "win" for Boston at the time. Many Cs fans were torching Ainge for trading away the 1st overall pick. The Cs have never had the 1st overall pick in the modern era so this was viewed by many as risky and ill-advised. "Just take the best player and move on" was the mentality. Don't mess around.

I am curious about Fultz's jump shot. What is going on? I thought his shot was a major strength. So I am as surprised an anyone. I hope he works his way through this because he's too good a talent. I take no satisfaction in seeing the kid not play well. Why is his form so different? Why won't he take open jump shots?

His shoulder is hurting and knowing the Sixers medical staff it's hurting a lot worse than they are letting on. He's trying to find ways to shoot and score without aggravating it and causing him pain.

Ok, thanks, that makes sense and is encouraging that he can get back to old form eventually. But why not sit him? Get him right? That's what makes no sense to me. Something does not add up.

Good luck to all. Hope we can build the Cs / Sixers rivalry back to 80s status.

When something doesn't add up, always trace it back to the incompetence of our medical staff. Embiid busted up his knee last year and only had a bone bruise, but the swelling wouldn't go down. It didn't add up. Then we found out later they hid the fact that he hurt the meniscus from everyone.

Nothing ever adds up when it comes to injuries, because they lie about injuries and hide things from everyone so we don't have all the facts.

[Kobblehead]

To me, the supposed injury is what didn't add up.

He's running through screens, engaging in contact in the paint and contesting shots with both arms.

Why are his jumpshot and free throw form the only aspects of his game being effected by the injury? Probably because the shot alteration was an unsolicited and a personal choice Fultz made. Not a symptom of a nagging shoulder injury.

[Mik317]

To me, the supposed injury is what didn't add up.

He's running through screens, engaging in contact in the paint and contesting shots with both arms.

Why are his jumpshot and free throw form the only aspects of his game being effected by the injury? Probably because the shot alteration was an unsolicited and a personal choice Fultz made. Not a symptom of a nagging shoulder injury.

if something hurts and effects any part of ones game; this franchise would be the first to bubble wrap his ass. So yeah it was bull from jump.

[Unbreakable99]

His shoulder is hurting and knowing the Sixers medical staff it's hurting a lot worse than they are letting on. He's trying to find ways to shoot and score without aggravating it and causing him pain.

Ok, thanks, that makes sense and is encouraging that he can get back to old form eventually. But why not sit him? Get him right? That's what makes no sense to me. Something does not add up.

Good luck to all. Hope we can build the Cs / Sixers rivalry back to 80s status.

When something doesn't add up, always trace it back to the incompetence of our medical staff. Embiid busted up his knee last year and only had a bone bruise, but the swelling wouldn't go down. It didn't add up. Then we found out later they hid the fact that he hurt the meniscus from everyone.

Nothing ever adds up when it comes to injuries, because they lie about injuries and hide things from everyone so we don't have all the facts.

We got a new head trainer. Things won't be the same.

[cksdayoff]

he can't put his shooting hand underneath the basketball when he brings the ball up above his head. because he cant bring his forearm to be parallel with his face.

[HotelVitale]

To me, the supposed injury is what didn't add up. He's running through screens, engaging in contact in the paint and contesting shots with both arms. Why are his jumpshot and free throw form the only aspects of his game being effected by the injury? Probably because the shot alteration was an unsolicited and a personal choice Fultz made. Not a symptom of a nagging shoulder injury.

I also don't chalk up the shooting issues to the shoulder, think it's more that he's a rhythm shooter and hasn't been able to find a rhythm yet. Part because of a truncated SL and PS, part because he's a rookie and he's clearly not caught up with game speed yet. Anyone who watched him in college knew he would need to adjust his pacing, he's doing that now and we're seeing some tentativeness and shaky stuff. (The free throw is a different issue, think that's him overthinking a small issue with his elbow he's had since high school).

[LongLiveHinkie]

If someone says they're hurt, they're hurt as far as I'm concerned. I don't question someone when they say they're hurt. Just like I don't question someone when they say they aren't hurt. I take them at their word.

If Fultz says he's hurting, he's hurting. We don't have to understand it, because it's impossible to understand how or why someone is hurting in the ways that they are. I honestly think it's disrespectful to him to question it. Because you're basically implying that he's a total pansy and is a mental midget otherwise. A guy who is so terrified that he is scared to shoot jumpers. Not the Fultz I know from studying him over the years back through high school. Dude has never been afraid of anything and never backed down from a challenge. He was cut in high school and bounced back to become the top college prospect. He's fearless. The fact that he'd suddenly become some p**sy mental midget is less probable than him dealing with an injury that we can't fully understand by video analysis.

[ValvPiti]

So just began to watch NBA again, doing all kinds of research of recent draft classes etc., just saw bballbreakdowns video of Fultz draining jumpers left and right and looking amazing. I just don't understand it, have been watching the last 2 games and will also be watching tonight. So he has gone from elite scoring point guard with great shot -> slasher who shoots brick. I don't really understand that, at all. I think they would be so much fun to watch if Fultz was his old self and Embiid also stopped messing around.

[Kobblehead]

I admire the organization for protecting him and standing by the injury facade, though.

They kept Embiid's silent holdout this summer from the public (minus the Eskin leaker) and they're protecting Fultz through his rash form change. They're earning major points in player relations.

[Chuck-Cheese]

He was the best player in the draft and also the best fit. I don't think it was odd Ainge didn't want him, because he's a horrible GM and a poor talent evaluator.

The Celtics won't get Bagley.

If Ainge is such a horrible GM then what does that make BC for getting fleeced by him in a trade? You do realize Boston fans are laughing at all of us Sixers fans right? Do you know how embarrassing that is? Fultz was not the best player. And I think it’s amazing you know for sure the Celtics won’t get Bagley lol. Tonight is Fultz’s chance to ball out with Embiid out. Fultz can take more shots.

He didn't get fleeced, Colangelo fleeced Ainge. The price to move up to #1 is typically so much greater, he moved up on a bargain and got the best player and the best fit.

Fultz is not going to shoot more, he's not healthy enough yet.

Way to early to say one side fleeced the other but based on what I saw in both the summer league and first 3 regular season games, Tatum looks like he will be a very good player one day plus there is the potential of adding a top pick next year via the lakers. Fultz better get healthy and figure out his shot because it doesn't look like Ainge missed on his pick.

[Jkam31]

I don’t get the injury thing if he’s that hurt why play then makes no sense


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