10/21 - POSTGAME | Oklahoma City Thunder (87) - (96) Utah Jazz

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Player(s) of the Game

Paul George | 22 PTS, (8-19 FG, 3-9 3P), 5 REB, 5 STL
4
22%
Carmelo Anthony | 26 PTS, (12-26 FG, 2-8 3P)
5
28%
Russell Westbrook | 6 PTS, (2-11 FG), 13 REB, 9 AST
1
6%
Raymond Felton | 8 PTS, (3-4 FG, 2-2 3P)
6
33%
Other (specify below)
2
11%
 
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Post#21 » by Dadouv47 » Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:46 am

All team was bad but if Westbrook played 80% of what he did 2 days ago, we would have won.
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Post#22 » by Rotten Apple » Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:49 am

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Gobert owned the paint tho.

I thought he was rather unimpressive tonight. no blocks, and a lot of our missed layups weren't even contested by him. We just flat sucked so maybe he didn't even need to dominate.


Didn't say he dominated but his presence was noticeable. PG passed up 2 potential bunnies because of Rudy and they both led to turnovers, Russ seemed to stop short of the rim(unlike himself) and pull up, Melo had a few lanes I seen that he didn't take and pulled up. 13 rebounds for Rudy, 13 for the starting front court of you guys, 13 for Russ himself which helps and I'm sure is by design.
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Post#23 » by Rotten Apple » Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:50 am

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spearsy23 wrote:I'll trade PG for Snyder and Ingles.

Just steal Messina from San Antonio.

Don't get me started. I was almost screaming to hire him when presti fired brooks.

He's the hottest target amongst most fan bases.
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Post#24 » by spearsy23 » Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:54 am

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Rotten Apple wrote:Just steal Messina from San Antonio.

Don't get me started. I was almost screaming to hire him when presti fired brooks.

He's the hottest target amongst most fan bases.

And we interviewed him two years ago but went with dumbass instead.
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
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Post#25 » by Rotten Apple » Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:56 am

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spearsy23 wrote:Don't get me started. I was almost screaming to hire him when presti fired brooks.

He's the hottest target amongst most fan bases.

And we interviewed him two years ago but went with dumbass instead.

I don't believe that you had the chance to hire Messina and hired Donovan. I don't believe you, you're lying to me.
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Post#26 » by spearsy23 » Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:56 am

Old Man Game wrote:By the way, can we all stop pretending that Adams is in any way shape or form on Rudy gobert's level? A lot of us fall into that trap and every time I've seen them play it's just obvious that gobert impacts the game significantly more than Adams does.

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I don't think anyone has thought that since prior to last year
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
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Post#27 » by ThunderBolt » Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:59 am

Imagine if hood bad been healthy.
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Post#28 » by spearsy23 » Sun Oct 22, 2017 4:00 am

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Rotten Apple wrote:He's the hottest target amongst most fan bases.

And we interviewed him two years ago but went with dumbass instead.

I don't believe that you had the chance to hire Messina and hired Donovan. I don't believe you, you're lying to me.

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Granted that just says he is on the list, but he interviewed I'm almost certain.
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Post#29 » by spearsy23 » Sun Oct 22, 2017 4:01 am

Knrstz wrote:Imagine if hood bad been healthy.

Eh, he's nothing special, just more of their incredible depth.
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Post#30 » by Old Man Game » Sun Oct 22, 2017 4:02 am

spearsy23 wrote:
Old Man Game wrote:By the way, can we all stop pretending that Adams is in any way shape or form on Rudy gobert's level? A lot of us fall into that trap and every time I've seen them play it's just obvious that gobert impacts the game significantly more than Adams does.

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I don't think anyone has thought that since prior to last year


I don't know, man. Some of the homers out there still delude themselves from time to time.
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Post#31 » by slick_watts » Sun Oct 22, 2017 4:02 am

westbrook and the thunder appear to believe that carmelo is still a star. that will harm the team.
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Post#32 » by Rotten Apple » Sun Oct 22, 2017 4:03 am

spearsy23 wrote:
Rotten Apple wrote:
spearsy23 wrote:And we interviewed him two years ago but went with dumbass instead.

I don't believe that you had the chance to hire Messina and hired Donovan. I don't believe you, you're lying to me.

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Granted that just says he is on the list, but he interviewed I'm almost certain.

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Post#33 » by spearsy23 » Sun Oct 22, 2017 4:04 am

Old Man Game wrote:
spearsy23 wrote:
Old Man Game wrote:By the way, can we all stop pretending that Adams is in any way shape or form on Rudy gobert's level? A lot of us fall into that trap and every time I've seen them play it's just obvious that gobert impacts the game significantly more than Adams does.

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I don't think anyone has thought that since prior to last year


I don't know, man. Some of the homers out there still delude themselves from time to time.

Okay, I mean there's the subset that believes Grant is just about to break out into Ibaka, but I just assume the all meet at Kyrie's house for flat Earth dinners and breathe through their mouths.
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Post#34 » by Old Man Game » Sun Oct 22, 2017 4:06 am

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spearsy23 wrote:
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Gobert owned the paint tho.

I thought he was rather unimpressive tonight. no blocks, and a lot of our missed layups weren't even contested by him. We just flat sucked so maybe he didn't even need to dominate.


Didn't say he dominated but his presence was noticeable. PG passed up 2 potential bunnies because of Rudy and they both led to turnovers, Russ seemed to stop short of the rim(unlike himself) and pull up, Melo had a few lanes I seen that he didn't take and pulled up. 13 rebounds for Rudy, 13 for the starting front court of you guys, 13 for Russ himself which helps and I'm sure is by design.


Was thinking the same thing. The intimidation factor was definitely present.
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Post#35 » by Old Man Game » Sun Oct 22, 2017 4:08 am

slick_watts wrote:westbrook and the thunder appear to believe that carmelo is still a star. that will harm the team.


Is that why there's no flow to the offense? Feels like we're running tons of stuff to free up 20 footers for Carmelo.
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Post#36 » by Old Man Game » Sun Oct 22, 2017 4:10 am

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Post#37 » by slick_watts » Sun Oct 22, 2017 4:11 am

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slick_watts wrote:westbrook and the thunder appear to believe that carmelo is still a star. that will harm the team.


Is that why there's no flow to the offense? Feels like we're running tons of stuff to free up 20 footers for Carmelo.


that's definitely part of it imo. it's not like our offense with billy has ever flowed well. but forcing the ball to both those guys with everyone else watching has made it look disjointed.

a carmelo iso is worth about the same as a kanter post-up, by the way. carmelo may be a more willing passer, but he has not shown that to this point.

we kept doing the pnp with the slip screen that westbrook tried it late in the game one handed, no-look (for no-reason) and rubio easily sniffed it out. this kind of hot dogging with his new 'star teammates' is unnecessary and i think that's also part of the issue.
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Post#38 » by Old Man Game » Sun Oct 22, 2017 4:14 am

slick_watts wrote:
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slick_watts wrote:westbrook and the thunder appear to believe that carmelo is still a star. that will harm the team.


Is that why there's no flow to the offense? Feels like we're running tons of stuff to free up 20 footers for Carmelo.


that's definitely part of it imo. it's not like our offense with billy has ever flowed well. but forcing the ball to both those guys with everyone else watching has made it look disjointed.

a carmelo iso is worth about the same as a kanter post-up, by the way. carmelo may be a more willing passer, but he has not shown that to this point.

we kept doing the pnp with the slip screen that westbrook tried it late in the game one handed, no-look (for no-reason) and rubio easily sniffed it out. this kind of hot dogging with his new 'star teammates' is unnecessary and i think that's also part of the issue.


I try to avoid getting trying to read a player's mind, but Russ to me just looks like he's trying (to a fault) to prove the dopey post KD narrative wrong that he can't play with other stars. He's taken himself out of his own game a lot with over passing and trying to force passes that aren't there.
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Post#39 » by slick_watts » Sun Oct 22, 2017 4:18 am

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Is that why there's no flow to the offense? Feels like we're running tons of stuff to free up 20 footers for Carmelo.


that's definitely part of it imo. it's not like our offense with billy has ever flowed well. but forcing the ball to both those guys with everyone else watching has made it look disjointed.

a carmelo iso is worth about the same as a kanter post-up, by the way. carmelo may be a more willing passer, but he has not shown that to this point.

we kept doing the pnp with the slip screen that westbrook tried it late in the game one handed, no-look (for no-reason) and rubio easily sniffed it out. this kind of hot dogging with his new 'star teammates' is unnecessary and i think that's also part of the issue.


I try to avoid getting trying to read a player's mind, but Russ to me just looks like he's trying (to a fault) to prove the dopey post KD narrative wrong that he can't play with other stars. He's taken himself out of his own game a lot with over passing and trying to force passes that aren't there.


yes, i agree.

i'd also like to haughtily point out that donovan has committed all the tinkering predictions i made already. felton-westbrook lineup, marginalizing roberson for grant/abrines/ferguson, grant at c with carmelo in bench units.
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Post#40 » by ThunderBolt » Sun Oct 22, 2017 4:19 am

Old Man Game wrote:
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Is that why there's no flow to the offense? Feels like we're running tons of stuff to free up 20 footers for Carmelo.


that's definitely part of it imo. it's not like our offense with billy has ever flowed well. but forcing the ball to both those guys with everyone else watching has made it look disjointed.

a carmelo iso is worth about the same as a kanter post-up, by the way. carmelo may be a more willing passer, but he has not shown that to this point.

we kept doing the pnp with the slip screen that westbrook tried it late in the game one handed, no-look (for no-reason) and rubio easily sniffed it out. this kind of hot dogging with his new 'star teammates' is unnecessary and i think that's also part of the issue.


I try to avoid getting trying to read a player's mind, but Russ to me just looks like he's trying (to a fault) to prove the dopey post KD narrative wrong that he can't play with other stars. He's taken himself out of his own game a lot with over passing and trying to force passes that aren't there.

He did tonight for sure. He looked amazing in game one. He just didn’t get in to a rhythm tonight. Last year in a game like this he would have shot his way back in to it. Tonight was just weird.
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