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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion II 

Post#281 » by eagereyez » Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:01 pm

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CoreyGallagher wrote:Not as bad I thought.


I agree. He's much better than I expected.

Agree as well. His defense has been disruptive. It looks like he has realized that his go-go gadget arms can be used for more than grabbing Chic-Fil-A.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion II 

Post#282 » by LongLiveHinkie » Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:25 pm

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Eyeamok wrote:You know the more I think about it the more it becomes clear to me this is a psychological issue. When I was 18/19 I was like wolverine, I am sure most of us were. Fall from a tree, get up brush yourself off. Fall off the back of a moving truck, complain about the hole in your favorite jeans not about the hole in your leg, because just like Wolverine that hole would be healed in a day or two, a week max. But what was fragile was the mind and your feelings. Friends laughed at you, that would linger for a while, girlfriend breaks up with you. You'd feel like your whole world was going to end.

Any injury Fultz has should be well on it's way to being healed right now. No injury that does not require surgery should have forced him to change his shooting form. Something or someone got to him and has made him doubt the player he once was. Perhaps the pressure of being in the big league or something else. Maybe his girlfriend broke up with him and punched him in the shoulder and said you will never shoot well again as long as we are apart. And now it's effecting him. Who the hell knows but something is effecting his mind.


Clearly you are not basing this off of experience. It absolutely can.

No amount of self-doubt has a player flat out refusing to ever attempt a 3. He didn't even attempt one in training camp practices. He's not attempting them in shootarounds. If he felt ok, coaches would have forced his ass to stand at the 3 point line in training camp and take jumper after jumper after jumper until he got it right. They aren't even encouraging him to shoot.

If he shot a bunch of them and his shot looked all weird and kept missing them, I may agree, but the fact that he doesn't even look to attempt one even in practices is telling. There's no reason whatsoever to be hesitant to take them in practice. It's not a game. He has nothing to lose.


You are right a prolonged injury can make a person change their shot. But if this is the case then why is he out their playing? If your shoulder hurts so much that you can't shoot, shouldn't you be doing physical therapy, giving the shoulder electrolysis treatments or having a shoulder massage every hour on the hour? The last thing you should be engaged in is an activity that you can't do.

Just the fact that he is out there in uniform playing says the newly revamped medical staff seems to think he is OK physically. They were ultra conservative with Embiid, ultra conservative with Simmons, but now they are going to be slipshod with Fultz, a guy that they spent two high draft picks to get?

Perhaps BC and company said we are going to let you play. But you have to promise us not to shoot until you are 100% deal?


That's what the Sixers do. They let Wroten play with a torn ACL, they let Embiid do circus dunks in warmups with a broken navicular bone, they let Embiid play vs Houston.

This is a horrible horrible training staff being mandated by greedy higher ups like Scott O'Neil.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion II 

Post#283 » by Unbreakable99 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 12:14 am

Maybe the women in Birmingham, MI will get him back to normal.

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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion II 

Post#284 » by broseph13 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 12:19 am

To me, Fultz doesn't seem to truly be ready for the NBA lifestyle. I follow him on IG/Snapchat and he still seems like a kid who should probably still be in college doing what freshman/sophomore college kids do. Unlike Kobe, Lebron, and even Simmons and Lonzo, Fultz's maturity level seems to be far below the maturity level of those guys and he doesn't approach the game like a true professional.

I also question whether or not he even loves playing basketball or if he does it simply because it's a way for him to make great money. I'd like to see even a little bit of emotion/passion from the guy while playing...he always looks sad and disinterested. It's concerning.
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Post#285 » by Unbreakable99 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 12:56 am

broseph13 wrote:To me, Fultz doesn't seem to truly be ready for the NBA lifestyle. I follow him on IG/Snapchat and he still seems like a kid who should probably still be in college doing what freshman/sophomore college kids do. Unlike Kobe, Lebron, and even Simmons and Lonzo, Fultz's maturity level seems to be far below the maturity level of those guys and he doesn't approach the game like a true professional.

I also question whether or not he even loves playing basketball or if he does it simply because it's a way for him to make great money. I'd like to see even a little bit of emotion/passion from the guy while playing...he always looks sad and disinterested. It's concerning.


I disagree. He’s 19 doing what 19year olds do. All the NBA players get women through social media. And I think he definitely loves basketball.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion II 

Post#286 » by Kobblehead » Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:09 am

I agree that he seems immature. Not in a delinquent way, but in a child-like way.

He reminds me so much of Nelson Agholar, personality-wise.
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Post#287 » by Sprewell4Three » Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:12 am

Fultz has that disinterested look like Michael Beasley had. I’d be worried about Fultz but I think his physical abilities can at least make him a serviceable player. He has long arms , athletic , shooting touch..
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion II 

Post#288 » by OleSchool » Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:15 am

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Clearly you are not basing this off of experience. It absolutely can.

No amount of self-doubt has a player flat out refusing to ever attempt a 3. He didn't even attempt one in training camp practices. He's not attempting them in shootarounds. If he felt ok, coaches would have forced his ass to stand at the 3 point line in training camp and take jumper after jumper after jumper until he got it right. They aren't even encouraging him to shoot.

If he shot a bunch of them and his shot looked all weird and kept missing them, I may agree, but the fact that he doesn't even look to attempt one even in practices is telling. There's no reason whatsoever to be hesitant to take them in practice. It's not a game. He has nothing to lose.


You are right a prolonged injury can make a person change their shot. But if this is the case then why is he out their playing? If your shoulder hurts so much that you can't shoot, shouldn't you be doing physical therapy, giving the shoulder electrolysis treatments or having a shoulder massage every hour on the hour? The last thing you should be engaged in is an activity that you can't do.

Just the fact that he is out there in uniform playing says the newly revamped medical staff seems to think he is OK physically. They were ultra conservative with Embiid, ultra conservative with Simmons, but now they are going to be slipshod with Fultz, a guy that they spent two high draft picks to get?

Perhaps BC and company said we are going to let you play. But you have to promise us not to shoot until you are 100% deal?


That's what the Sixers do. They let Wroten play with a torn ACL, they let Embiid do circus dunks in warmups with a broken navicular bone, they let Embiid play vs Houston.

This is a horrible horrible training staff being mandated by greedy higher ups like Scott O'Neil.


Didnt we just hire some big shot from some big soccer league to run our training staff?
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Post#289 » by 76ciology » Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:18 am

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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion II 

Post#290 » by Negrodamus » Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:18 am



Very interesting take on Fultz's current affairs with his shot.
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Post#291 » by Kobblehead » Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:33 am


Are you Kyle Neubeck?
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Post#292 » by Negrodamus » Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:48 am



He shows elite playmaking in a lot of these clips. Splitting the PnR defense was insane.
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Post#293 » by LongLiveHinkie » Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:59 am

Negrodamus wrote:

Very interesting take on Fultz's current affairs with his shot.


That just like everything we're doing is mere speculation. Nothing we say can be definitive until we get further details on what exactly is going on.

Stuff like "Your shoulder shouldn't hurt that much where you have to change your form" or "there's no way the Sixers would play an injured player" is all hearsay and conjecture.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion II 

Post#294 » by Chris76 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:59 am

Negrodamus wrote:

Very interesting take on Fultz's current affairs with his shot.


It makes sense, it's very difficult to change an instinct or feeling.
He wants to improve, but his mind wants to use the old form?

To make matters worse, he's learning his drives are being blocked by NBA defenders.
However, he quickly beats the 1st defender, a floater or pull-up might be better than going to the rim.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion II 

Post#295 » by Negrodamus » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:03 am

LongLiveHinkie wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:

Very interesting take on Fultz's current affairs with his shot.


That just like everything we're doing is mere speculation. Nothing we say can be definitive until we get further details on what exactly is going on.

Stuff like "Your shoulder shouldn't hurt that much where you have to change your form" or "there's no way the Sixers would play an injured player" is all hearsay and conjecture.


The debunking part isn't the interesting part. The fact that his FT form is flawed in college and now it appears he's only performing the second part of the free throw process and lifting his heel at the correct time lends to the fake injury to rebuild the shot narrative.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion II 

Post#296 » by broseph13 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:37 am

Fultz's hand doesn't even get under the ball when he shoots...it's almost on the side of the ball instead of under it. Totally bizarre and will result in nothing but missed shots.
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Post#297 » by LongLiveHinkie » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:38 am

Negrodamus wrote:
LongLiveHinkie wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:

Very interesting take on Fultz's current affairs with his shot.


That just like everything we're doing is mere speculation. Nothing we say can be definitive until we get further details on what exactly is going on.

Stuff like "Your shoulder shouldn't hurt that much where you have to change your form" or "there's no way the Sixers would play an injured player" is all hearsay and conjecture.


The debunking part isn't the interesting part. The fact that his FT form is flawed in college and now it appears he's only performing the second part of the free throw process and lifting his heel at the correct time lends to the fake injury to rebuild the shot narrative.


They don't need to make up a fake injury to let him rebuild his shot. They can just say they are having him rebuild his shot. It's more embarrassing to make something up that drastic over something so trivial.

Not that I buy that anyway, because the Sixers didn't want his shot changed in the first place.
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Post#298 » by Negrodamus » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:41 am

LongLiveHinkie wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:
LongLiveHinkie wrote:
That just like everything we're doing is mere speculation. Nothing we say can be definitive until we get further details on what exactly is going on.

Stuff like "Your shoulder shouldn't hurt that much where you have to change your form" or "there's no way the Sixers would play an injured player" is all hearsay and conjecture.


The debunking part isn't the interesting part. The fact that his FT form is flawed in college and now it appears he's only performing the second part of the free throw process and lifting his heel at the correct time lends to the fake injury to rebuild the shot narrative.


They don't need to make up a fake injury to let him rebuild his shot. They can just say they are having him rebuild his shot. It's more embarrassing to make something up that drastic over something so trivial.

Not that I buy that anyway, because the Sixers didn't want his shot changed in the first place.


I don't know man, I'm slipping to the dark side. There is zero reason to play an injured player. And for him to take the spills and put up the layups like he does, I don't think that arm is really nagging. I think at some point it was bothering him, but I think the two problems intersected in preseason.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion II 

Post#299 » by LongLiveHinkie » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:42 am

You think making up a fake injury to hide something that doesn't need to be hidden is more likely than a team that has been known to screw up injury situations to screw up yet another?
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion II 

Post#300 » by 76ciology » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:46 am

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Haha no im just kidding

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