The Official Allen Crabbe Thread

[DusterBuster]

Yeah his handle looked either much improved or it was much better than advertised because he wasn't asked or even allowed to dribble much with 2 aces like Lillard and McCollum on the court with him and a guy like Turner with a huge contract who needs to ball in his hands and pounds the air out of it.

I'm not trying to say he has a good handle. Hell, I don't know if it's even average, but it certainly looks much better than the Anthony Morrow level handle I kind of thought he had.

its a myth he wasnt allowed to handle the ball in portland. (every blazer fan will tell you that, just go to their forum and look at any crabbe post from last year). the only person prevent crabbe from doing more is crabbe. similar to lopez when he checks out aggression wise

I agree aggression wise. As in shot attempts and the such. But I'd imagine Portland's coaching staff didn't want him to put the ball on the floor. And to add to that, Coach Kenny is a guy who has always forced guys out of their comfort zone and pressured them to improve their handle and put the ball on the floor, even if they were known as guys with a suspect handle and low confidence in that area on the NBA level, back to all his assistant coaching stints. Guys like Carroll, Bazemore, Horford, etc.

That's not true at all actually. The team always wanted him to be more aggressive both in just shooting more and learning to put the ball on the floor. Not exactly like they expected him to be another Lillard or CJ with his handles, but they really wanted to see him develop more into like what they had with Wesley Matthews back in the day, but it just never happened.

[DarkXaero]

Last nights game was a pretty perfect example of the type of player Crabbe was in Portland. Coming off the bench, getting near starter level minutes and only taking 5 shots. If there's any silver lining with the Lin injury (which really sucks btw, it's been a brutal opening to the season with injuries), maybe this opens up a spot for Crabbe to start alongside Russell?


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He scored 12 points on 5 shots in 27 minutes of action. If he could give us that level of scoring rate and efficiency on a nightly basis, I would be delighted. I don't think last night was a "perfect example" of Crabbe's deficiencies.

[Prokorov]

Yeah his handle looked either much improved or it was much better than advertised because he wasn't asked or even allowed to dribble much with 2 aces like Lillard and McCollum on the court with him and a guy like Turner with a huge contract who needs to ball in his hands and pounds the air out of it.

I'm not trying to say he has a good handle. Hell, I don't know if it's even average, but it certainly looks much better than the Anthony Morrow level handle I kind of thought he had.

its a myth he wasnt allowed to handle the ball in portland. (every blazer fan will tell you that, just go to their forum and look at any crabbe post from last year). the only person prevent crabbe from doing more is crabbe. similar to lopez when he checks out aggression wise

I agree aggression wise. As in shot attempts and the such. But I'd imagine Portland's coaching staff didn't want him to put the ball on the floor. And to add to that, Coach Kenny is a guy who has always forced guys out of their comfort zone and pressured them to improve their handle and put the ball on the floor, even if they were known as guys with a suspect handle and low confidence in that area on the NBA level, back to all his assistant coaching stints. Guys like Carroll, Bazemore, Horford, etc.

from what portland fans say, they coaching encouraged him to break out... dont forget, they matched a 4/78M deal for him, it was in there interest for him to break out into more then just a shooter. him being encouraged to do more, and not really following through may be part reason why he isnt there anymore

[Prokorov]

Last nights game was a pretty perfect example of the type of player Crabbe was in Portland. Coming off the bench, getting near starter level minutes and only taking 5 shots. If there's any silver lining with the Lin injury (which really sucks btw, it's been a brutal opening to the season with injuries), maybe this opens up a spot for Crabbe to start alongside Russell?


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He scored 12 points on 5 shots in 27 minutes of action. If he could give us that level of scoring rate and efficiency on a nightly basis, I would be delighted. I don't think last night was a "perfect example" of Crabbe's deficiencies.

I mean, i think everyone would take it if he shot 60% from three every night

at 40% he scores 9 points last night. still on good efficiency. i think we can count on good efficiency from crabbe all season if his volume is similar to what it was last year.

[MrDollarBills]

I'd prefer to start LeVert but I can see the team maybe wanting to give Crabbe a go at SG.

Crabbe only got 5 shots because the Pacers were deathly afraid of him getting the ball. he drew a ton of defensive attention that opened up other areas of the floor. That's a great sign imo.

Yeah Crabbe's impact was very evident even though he only got a few shots up. He also looked good on D and surprised me with that drive and dunk.

Again, this is exactly what the Blazers had with Crabbe. It's great that he's such a threat because he opens things up by drawing defensive attention, but it's freaking maddening that he only takes 5 or 6 shots a game when he has so many minutes and opportunities.

It's why I'm really pulling for the Nets to start him. I really want to see him in a role where he's asked to be more than a offensive decoy that only takes 5 or 6 shots a game.

his time will come, relax. Right now Demare Carroll has looked like the best fit at SF because of his defense/rebounding/shooting, but that can change...Crabbe's defense has been pretty decent. The plan is to develop Russell/LeVert/Crabbe/Hollis-Jefferson/Allen as the core pieces of this team for the future, as well as whoever we get in the 2018 and 2019 drafts.

[Paradise]

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[sprost]

A role is not defined by the amount of minutes you play. If your idea of an offensive role is as simple as "starter/6th man" then yeah you would be right. In reality, it'll be a different role since he'll be prioritized in the offense.

We'll see how "prioritized" he really will be. Even if he is prioritized, how aggressive will he be in taking shots? This was always a problem for him in Portland, even with plenty of opportunity, his aggressiveness for taking shots was a rollercoaster, sometimes taking 14 shots, then taking 4 shots the next.

I've been saying this all summer. Many here feel like he will be taking 15 shot a game and he was just frozen out of the offense. Alot of people who didnt watch him play much just assume it was all because of lillard and CJ but the reality is outside of catch and shoot jumpers and transition spot ups he doesnt have much of an offensive game.

I also mentioned how he doesnt create as much space as you would expect from a 45% three point shooter since he was so easily run off the line last year. when you run at him and go by he doesnt have much of a dribble in/reset/jumper game and isnt a thread to do much with the ball in his hind inside the three point line.

alot of people refuse to believe his game isnt much expanded on what joe harris brings

So when do we start the office pool here on picking closest to the day when prok agrees/concedes he was very wrong about crabbe?

[MrDollarBills]

Crabbe was excellent today on both ends.

[DusterBuster]

Crabbe was excellent today on both ends.

The goal with Crabbe is for him to continue and put together a string of good games. He'll have really good games like he had today, but then come up with a 1-5 in 28 minutes night right after.

We'll see how "prioritized" he really will be. Even if he is prioritized, how aggressive will he be in taking shots? This was always a problem for him in Portland, even with plenty of opportunity, his aggressiveness for taking shots was a rollercoaster, sometimes taking 14 shots, then taking 4 shots the next.

I've been saying this all summer. Many here feel like he will be taking 15 shot a game and he was just frozen out of the offense. Alot of people who didnt watch him play much just assume it was all because of lillard and CJ but the reality is outside of catch and shoot jumpers and transition spot ups he doesnt have much of an offensive game.

I also mentioned how he doesnt create as much space as you would expect from a 45% three point shooter since he was so easily run off the line last year. when you run at him and go by he doesnt have much of a dribble in/reset/jumper game and isnt a thread to do much with the ball in his hind inside the three point line.

alot of people refuse to believe his game isnt much expanded on what joe harris brings

So when do we start the office pool here on picking closest to the day when prok agrees/concedes he was very wrong about crabbe?

What does he have to concede about when he's just stating facts? None of the issues he brought up about Crabbe are opinion based, so how can someone be wrong just simply listing out the fact of how Crabbe played last year in Portland? I'm watching the Nets fairly closely to see if he can expand his game, but as far as his offensive skillset for what he showed last season with the Blazers, Proky is right now point.

[Ror1997]

Crabbe was excellent today on both ends.

The goal with Crabbe is for him to continue and put together a string of good games. He'll have really good games like he had today, but then come up with a 1-5 in 28 minutes night right after.

So how long are we going go have to deal with you coming in and shaking your salt shaker all over the place before you run out of salt?

[Paradise]

AC asked to come off the bench today.

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I’m glad he sees what I’ve been saying. He’s much better suited being the man alongside floor spacers like Spence, Joe, Q and Booker. Helps his defense a lot as well.

[steady]

AC asked to come off the bench today.

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I’m glad he sees what I’ve been saying. He’s much better suited being the man alongside floor spacers like Spence, Joe, Q and Booker. Helps his defense a lot as well.

These tweets referr to something Kenny said in post game interview. The way I heard it , Crabbe did make the suggestion but it was tied to discussion of minutes restrictions and how Crabbe got cold when he sat for a long time on Fri.

My overall impression is that Kenny is still working with guidance concerning a minutes restriction for Crabbe (which KA probably exceeded today). He was asked how many minutes he expected Crabbe to eventually play, and he said 30.

I thought Caris did outstanding job today (including his D on Schroeder) and I wouldn't be bummed at all if he started, but I still think the long range plan (at least for now) is to have Crabbe usually start.

[Netaman]

I don't care who starts where if they finish the way they did today. Just keep playing good D and shooting lights out.

[DusterBuster]

Crabbe was excellent today on both ends.

The goal with Crabbe is for him to continue and put together a string of good games. He'll have really good games like he had today, but then come up with a 1-5 in 28 minutes night right after.

So how long are we going go have to deal with you coming in and shaking your salt shaker all over the place before you run out of salt?

I don't think you have a great grasp on the term "salt". I'm a Crabbe fan interested in him having a successful career and having a breakout season with an increased role on the Nets. Giving some background on how he was before. It's not a slam to factually bring out his past successes and limitations....

God, RealGM has the touchiest fans when it comes to other fans conversing with them....

[Ror1997]

The goal with Crabbe is for him to continue and put together a string of good games. He'll have really good games like he had today, but then come up with a 1-5 in 28 minutes night right after.

So how long are we going go have to deal with you coming in and shaking your salt shaker all over the place before you run out of salt?

I don't think you have a great grasp on the term "salt". I'm a Crabbe fan interested in him having a successful career and having a breakout season with an increased role on the Nets. Giving some background on how he was before. It's not a slam to factually bring out his past successes and limitations....

God, RealGM has the touchiest fans when it comes to other fans conversing with them....

Can you blame us? For the last 3 years the only reason people came to our board were to troll us or propose us trading RHJ or Thad Young for second rounders.

[DusterBuster]

So how long are we going go have to deal with you coming in and shaking your salt shaker all over the place before you run out of salt?

I don't think you have a great grasp on the term "salt". I'm a Crabbe fan interested in him having a successful career and having a breakout season with an increased role on the Nets. Giving some background on how he was before. It's not a slam to factually bring out his past successes and limitations....

God, RealGM has the touchiest fans when it comes to other fans conversing with them....

Can you blame us? For the last 3 years the only reason people came to our board were to troll us or propose us trading RHJ or Thad Young for second rounders.

Well I'm not here to bash any player or suggest any **** trades, just here to observe and hope for the best for Crabbe to have a breakout year with the Nets.

[Prokorov]

We'll see how "prioritized" he really will be. Even if he is prioritized, how aggressive will he be in taking shots? This was always a problem for him in Portland, even with plenty of opportunity, his aggressiveness for taking shots was a rollercoaster, sometimes taking 14 shots, then taking 4 shots the next.

I've been saying this all summer. Many here feel like he will be taking 15 shot a game and he was just frozen out of the offense. Alot of people who didnt watch him play much just assume it was all because of lillard and CJ but the reality is outside of catch and shoot jumpers and transition spot ups he doesnt have much of an offensive game.

I also mentioned how he doesnt create as much space as you would expect from a 45% three point shooter since he was so easily run off the line last year. when you run at him and go by he doesnt have much of a dribble in/reset/jumper game and isnt a thread to do much with the ball in his hind inside the three point line.

alot of people refuse to believe his game isnt much expanded on what joe harris brings

So when do we start the office pool here on picking closest to the day when prok agrees/concedes he was very wrong about crabbe?

What exactly was i wrong about? let alone "very" wrong about?

Most of what I've posted in this thread isnt even prediction based, it was stating facts from last/prior seasons.

My issue also was never with Allen Crabbe, it was with Sean Marks. I think Crabbe is a good fit. anyone in the game threads knows im rooting for him, didnt get on him at all when he had a bad game vs orlando, etc... My issue is with what he is being paid, the fact we didnt get a first rounder in the deal, and that I feel we already had a guy who provides 90-100% of what crabbe provides for 18 million dollars less.

so basically all i can really be wrong/very wrong about is:

1) that Crabbe is overpaid. Based on last year hard not to say know. based on this year we dont really have much data to go on. 1 ok game, 1 poor game, 1 very good game. 3 game sample. we will know more after 20/40/80 games but he is being paid like an all-star/top 2 player. again thats not his fault, and i dont expect him to live up to it and if/when he doesnt thats on Marks.

2) that Joe Harris is just as good a shooter and is just as good/productive as Crabbe. People have bashed me on this all offseason, even prior to getting Crabbe. saying crabbe is an elite shooter. I pointed out using the stats exactly how similar they were.

Harris is averaging 8 ppg on 57% from three (4/7) in 18 mpg
Crabbe is averaging 13 ppg on 50% from three (7/14) in 25 mpg

again, 3 games is a terrible sample size

We just dont have enough data yet. If crabbe can maintain last years percentages on increased volume and average 15+ ppg then yes ill admit i was wrong. If Joe Harris doesnt show he can shoot it at similar percentages/production as crabbe yes ill admit i was wrong.

[Prokorov]

I don't care who starts where if they finish the way they did today. Just keep playing good D and shooting lights out.

agreed. who starts is irrelevant. these guys will all get 20-30 minutes depending on who is playing well any given game.

Id prefer that levert start, because i feel energy from the opening tip is important and i think he is most likely to provide that on a consistent basis

[Hello Brooklyn]

Prok you said Crabbe was the worst defensive player in the league.

Its very obvious through 3 games that this is not the case.