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Earl Watson FIRED!!!!

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Re: Earl Watson FIRED!!!! 

Post#201 » by bwgood77 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:45 am

ChrisInAZ wrote:Would have loved it if the FO had fired the entire coaching staff...well? Watson, Triano and Corbin....Then named Jared Dudley & James Jones as co-interim head coaches for the rest of '17-'18 ...trying something wildly different (why the **** not?) ...knowing (almost for sure) an entirely new staff will be coming in after the season...WTF!

...But! We all know what is going to happen instead- Triano/Corbin will pull the **** out of the fire...they'll get back some respectability...win 24-28 games...and then Triano will get named permanent HC (he's HC material for cheap) ...or worse, they'll do a PR/sales hire and bring in Majerle or Nash. ...meh

the team needs a proven HC talent, especially at this low point!


I actually had the thought when thinking of firing the whole staff "Just make Dudley coach for his 10 million a year...highest paid coach in the league!" but for the same reasons you say about Majerle and Nash, I would rather have someone with experience.
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Re: Earl Watson FIRED!!!! 

Post#202 » by Mulhollanddrive » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:45 am

So sack the entire coaching staff except Triano and make him head coach, seems odd.
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Re: Earl Watson FIRED!!!! 

Post#203 » by Funky Tut » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:51 am

Schad wrote:For anyone curious, Jay Triano can build an aesthetically-pleasing offense, and then ensure it doesn't win by surrendering 130 points. The '09/'10 Raptors had the fifth-best offense in the NBA, but missed the playoffs thanks to the tenth-worst DRTG of all time. Great option if tanking.


Our defense is absolutely atrocious. We let Lonzo Ball go off for 29 points on us when he's scored less than 10 points against anyone not named the Suns. He was 3-13 and 0-5 from 3's with 8 points today against the Pelicans. We are not even an NBA caliber team through 3 games.
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Re: Earl Watson FIRED!!!! 

Post#204 » by Kerrsed » Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:03 am

So....the only coach we have now is Triano. :lol:

Going to be interesting to see the bench tomorrow night with him being the only one there besides the players.
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Re: Earl Watson FIRED!!!! 

Post#205 » by Christine-In-AZ » Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:04 am

bwgood77 wrote:
ChrisInAZ wrote:Would have loved it if the FO had fired the entire coaching staff...well? Watson, Triano and Corbin....Then named Jared Dudley & James Jones as co-interim head coaches for the rest of '17-'18 ...trying something wildly different (why the **** not?) ...knowing (almost for sure) an entirely new staff will be coming in after the season...WTF!

...But! We all know what is going to happen instead- Triano/Corbin will pull the **** out of the fire...they'll get back some respectability...win 24-28 games...and then Triano will get named permanent HC (he's HC material for cheap) ...or worse, they'll do a PR/sales hire and bring in Majerle or Nash. ...meh

the team needs a proven HC talent, especially at this low point!


I actually had the thought when thinking of firing the whole staff "Just make Dudley coach for his 10 million a year...highest paid coach in the league!" but for the same reasons you say about Majerle and Nash, I would rather have someone with experience.


I hear ya...Again, my Dudley/Jones thing would've just been an interim/experimental petri dish, because the Suns can down "here" this low ...a Nash or Majerle hire would be a major. multi-year commitment.
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Re: Earl Watson FIRED!!!! 

Post#206 » by Kerrsed » Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:05 am

Funky Tut wrote:
Schad wrote:For anyone curious, Jay Triano can build an aesthetically-pleasing offense, and then ensure it doesn't win by surrendering 130 points. The '09/'10 Raptors had the fifth-best offense in the NBA, but missed the playoffs thanks to the tenth-worst DRTG of all time. Great option if tanking.


Our defense is absolutely atrocious. We let Lonzo Ball go off for 29 points on us when he's scored less than 10 points against anyone not named the Suns. He was 3-13 and 0-5 from 3's with 8 points today against the Pelicans. We are not even an NBA caliber team through 3 games.


Well to be fair, Zo was matched up against the defensive juggernaut known as.....Jrue Holiday. Oh wait... :lol:
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Re: Earl Watson FIRED!!!! 

Post#207 » by Schad » Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:10 am

Funky Tut wrote:Our defense is absolutely atrocious. We let Lonzo Ball go off for 29 points on us when he's scored less than 10 points against anyone not named the Suns. He was 3-13 and 0-5 from 3's with 8 points today against the Pelicans. We are not even an NBA caliber team through 3 games.


Yeah, I'm not being glib: the Suns aren't really trying to win nor should they be, but the young 'uns seem to be upset with the disjointed offense. Triano should ameliorate that to some extent, and seemed to be fairly well liked by his players when with Toronto. You'll be unimaginably bad defensively, but as that's less a concern than it would be for a competitive team, he's genuinely a better option for a young, rebuilding team than a hard-ass. Players will post decent numbers, games will be entertaining if absurd, and you'll be well positioned at the top of a rather good looking draft.
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Re: Earl Watson FIRED!!!! 

Post#208 » by lilfishi22 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:34 am

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Funky Tut wrote:Our defense is absolutely atrocious. We let Lonzo Ball go off for 29 points on us when he's scored less than 10 points against anyone not named the Suns. He was 3-13 and 0-5 from 3's with 8 points today against the Pelicans. We are not even an NBA caliber team through 3 games.


Yeah, I'm not being glib: the Suns aren't really trying to win nor should they be, but the young 'uns seem to be upset with the disjointed offense. Triano should ameliorate that to some extent, and seemed to be fairly well liked by his players when with Toronto. You'll be unimaginably bad defensively, but as that's less a concern than it would be for a competitive team, he's genuinely a better option for a young, rebuilding team than a hard-ass. Players will post decent numbers, games will be entertaining if absurd, and you'll be well positioned at the top of a rather good looking draft.

If we can get one end of the court kinda right, that's progress.
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Re: Earl Watson FIRED!!!! 

Post#209 » by denial » Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:55 am

man I lost focus on the suns for one day and all hell broke lose. I didn't see the game yesterday. Looks like we got destroyed again. This was the only thing to do. I agree with the move. but wow.
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Re: Earl Watson FIRED!!!! 

Post#210 » by Flying Colors » Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:57 am

Man, only 3 games in and things are already on fire, like goddamn
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Re: Earl Watson FIRED!!!! 

Post#211 » by Blackification » Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:01 am

Kerrsed wrote:So....the only coach we have now is Triano. :lol:

Going to be interesting to see the bench tomorrow night with him being the only one there besides the players.

Ty Corbin is still around though right?
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Re: Earl Watson FIRED!!!! 

Post#212 » by denial » Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:24 am

ChrisInAZ wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
ChrisInAZ wrote:Would have loved it if the FO had fired the entire coaching staff...well? Watson, Triano and Corbin....Then named Jared Dudley & James Jones as co-interim head coaches for the rest of '17-'18 ...trying something wildly different (why the **** not?) ...knowing (almost for sure) an entirely new staff will be coming in after the season...WTF!

...But! We all know what is going to happen instead- Triano/Corbin will pull the **** out of the fire...they'll get back some respectability...win 24-28 games...and then Triano will get named permanent HC (he's HC material for cheap) ...or worse, they'll do a PR/sales hire and bring in Majerle or Nash. ...meh

the team needs a proven HC talent, especially at this low point!


I actually had the thought when thinking of firing the whole staff "Just make Dudley coach for his 10 million a year...highest paid coach in the league!" but for the same reasons you say about Majerle and Nash, I would rather have someone with experience.


I hear ya...Again, my Dudley/Jones thing would've just been an interim/experimental petri dish, because the Suns can down "here" this low ...a Nash or Majerle hire would be a major. multi-year commitment.


Our young guys have learned nothing for long enough. We don't need to just hire some random dudes just because we suck. I don't care if we get a coach from the boys and girls club. I just need somebody to set a screen. That's all I ask. One screen. Run a clean pick and roll, and I will be freaking ecstatic.

Edit: so I guess what I am saying is ok Dudley is fine as long as we set a screen at some point.
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Re: Earl Watson FIRED!!!! 

Post#213 » by Blackification » Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:33 am

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Watson is definitely a good person and has a good attitude about life, he should not have been hired as a head coach of an nba team at this time. Good luck to him.
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Re: 2017-18 Earl Watson Hot-Seat-O-Meter: October Edition 

Post#214 » by denial » Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:37 am

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LukasBMW wrote:Let us remember that all the Suns players were on the same page about keeping Watson when Hornacek was shown the door.
The players seem to like him. And I do think he has the right personality for our young guys.


My kids like to stay up all night on school nights watching youtube and eating chips.
That's why they have parents.

If players knew what they needed to do to be a team and win games, they wouldn't need a coach.
What the players like is the least relevant thing we can be talking about.

LukasBMW wrote:BUT, we AT LEAST need to add an offensive coordinator, because Watson's plays suck and our offense is awful.
No one moves without the ball! That's just bad coaching.


So if we have bad coaching we solve it by adding an Off. Coordinator?
Why not just get rid of the guy doing the bad coaching?


Because we're in a unique situation where we need to keep the players happy and keep their confidence up while we get the crap kicked out of us for 82 games. Watson is here to be Tony Robbins. Once we're ready to win again, then we need to hire a real coach. Until then, an "offensive coordinator" can fill in the gaps.

But putting someone like Larry Brown in charge (hardass with a big ego, who had a habit of cutting down young players) could be a disaster.


I don't think people get confidence by being coddled. I think players are more confident when then know that the coach holds everyone accountable and demands excellence, because it means you can trust your teammates to play right or be held accountable. I understand young players need a little leeway to make mistakes etc. But good coaches get that (even hard asses). Look at young guys in SA; they thrive. You give them confidence by letting them work through things like their shot being off the mark. You do not give them confidence by letting everyone run amok, play no defense, and no offense besides iso.

Kids feel safest and most confident when there is a strong, reliable, consistent, and fair leader in charge. The key words being "in charge".

No one, especially people who are used to being successful all their life, wants to be put in a position to follow someone who they do not deem worthy of being a leader.

And finally, no one respects someone they can push around. They might love how nice they are. They might always want to be around that person (and borrow their car). But they do not respect that person. And no one wants to follow someone they do not respect.

If you are going into battle (like, in war), do you want your commander to be a nice guy or a fearless killer? (and do you really care if you like him, or if he is nice to you?)
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Re: Earl Watson FIRED!!!! 

Post#215 » by jcsunsfan » Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:06 am

Ripcity4life wrote:Earl Watson i think WILL be a solid Head coach at some point but he was given the head job way too soon in my opinion. He should have had 3 to 5 seasons as a Asst. coach before he was even considered for any head job in the league. I see that tweet about offense being too simple and that falls on Watson but the rest of the staff needs to take the heat for it too. Specially Triano who i believe was hired from the Blazers JUST to be a mentor type to Watson.

I believe the Suns did the right thing but it never should have happened cause Watson was not ready for the job so the Owner and GM need to take some heat too

In the beginning Watson was a gimmick hire to try to get his buddy, LMA here.


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Re: Earl Watson FIRED!!!! 

Post#216 » by jcsunsfan » Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:08 am

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Phnxsports wrote:Would be interested in Ettore Messina.

I don't think Spurs would let him go without some compensation. But man, I would love Messina on this team.


Most teams allow assistants to leave for a head coaching gig. Its just when a Head Coach wants to make a lateral move to another Head Coaching gig elsewhere that compensation comes into play.

He is the guy I would want. I would give up a second rounder.


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Re: Earl Watson FIRED!!!! 

Post#217 » by NTB » Mon Oct 23, 2017 11:46 am

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lilfishi22 wrote:I don't think Spurs would let him go without some compensation. But man, I would love Messina on this team.


Most teams allow assistants to leave for a head coaching gig. Its just when a Head Coach wants to make a lateral move to another Head Coaching gig elsewhere that compensation comes into play.

He is the guy I would want. I would give up a second rounder.


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The problem is Pop is preparing Messina to be the new Spurs head coach.
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Re: Earl Watson FIRED!!!! 

Post#218 » by lilfishi22 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 12:32 pm

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Kerrsed wrote:
Most teams allow assistants to leave for a head coaching gig. Its just when a Head Coach wants to make a lateral move to another Head Coaching gig elsewhere that compensation comes into play.

He is the guy I would want. I would give up a second rounder.


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The problem is Pop is preparing Messina to be the new Spurs head coach.

That's what I was thinking but then I thought, there's no reason why he couldn't get HC experience elsewhere and come back to inherit the Spurs when Pop's finally decides to retire.
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Re: Earl Watson FIRED!!!! 

Post#219 » by Revived » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:51 pm

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Kerrsed wrote:You know, Pitino is actually a really good idea that i didnt even think of!

He LOVES coaching, and after the scandal he will have a hard time getting another College coaching gig. He is used to teaching/coaching the younger guys, so that experience is a plus.

He is a bit of an innovator when it comes to the systems he runs.
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Who can forget (Probably a lot of people) when he tore into Boston fans and their expectations back when he was the Celtics coach.
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I think Pitino is actually a really good idea to help with the development of EVERYTHING Suns related. Our Identity, Our System, Our youngsters, our EVERYTHING!

I mean i still think that Messina is a really good idea and i had him placed 2 tiers above all other names, but i have to now put Pitino right up there at the top with him!


He is a smart basketball mind. Pitino's coaching tree includes Jeff Van Gundy, Billy Donovan and Frank Vogel, all past assistants for him.

I think there is pretty much zero chance we hire him or even think about hiring him though.

Yeah Sarver has always been extremely cheap when it comes to hiring coaches and I doubt Pitino would be cheap.
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Re: Earl Watson FIRED!!!! 

Post#220 » by Revived » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:04 pm

DarkHawk wrote:Could Mark Jackson or George Karl be a good fit?

May aa well have mentioned Byron Scott and Mike Brown too while your at it.

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