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Re: Lookin' for a head coach 

Post#21 » by bwgood77 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:08 am

Kerrsed wrote:Im throwing Stackhouse's name into the mix as well.

Jerry Stackhouse, Raptors 905 head coach (D-League)
Before his playing career was even over, Stackhouse was providing spot duty as a de facto player development coach -- you could find him in 2011 at the Heat's facility working with Dwyane Wade on his post game. But it's one thing to get on the floor with a teammate, and another to build the kind of portfolio that makes a successful NBA head coach.

Those who have watched Stackhouse over the past two seasons, first on the Raptors' staff and then as the head coach of their D-League team, say he is doing all the right things. In addition to the respect he commands from players, Stackhouse, an 18-year former pro, has demonstrated a serious desire to learn the craft. He took USA Select teams abroad, attended Tim Grgurich's much-admired coaching camp, mentored fellow Kinston, North Carolina, native Brandon Ingram, and has become a devoted cinephile who spends endless sessions poring over film.

This season, Stackhouse's 905 squad has posted the best record in the D-League's Eastern Conference. Like every coach with big aspirations, he arrived with ambitious ideas that he has learned to adjust on the fly. He's a grinder who Raptors insiders say often holds twice daily practices, but he also enjoys the creative tasks of finding shots for guys. All the while, he continues to hone his skills as a game manager and messenger and seeks out advice from Dwane Casey and other vets of the trade. The league has taken notice of Stackhouse's maturation and success, and several execs expect he'll be on the interview circuit before long.


Some other good reads:

http://www.nba.com/article/2017/02/14/jerry-stackhouse-improving-as-coach-nba-d-league-raptors-905#/
https://raptorsrapture.com/2017/08/17/long-can-raptors-hold-jerry-stackhouse/
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/jerry-stackhouse-named-nba-d-league-coach-of-the-year/


I assume you got that from the True Hoop espn article a while back...I thought this guy sounded like the most interesting candidate outside of Messina...I like his association with Quin Snyder who I think is a fringe top 5 coach, and Budenholzer...also up there....I thin he has been around some good guys..

When Quin Snyder moved from the Lakers to Atlanta in 2012, he urged Ham, who also sat on Mike Brown's bench, to seize the opportunity to claim more responsibility in Atlanta. An assistant on Budenholzer's staff, which is quickly sprouting its own coaching tree, performs a full rotation of tasks, from cutting video to intensive individual work with players.

Ham plays an enormous role with the Hawks and does it without a lot of rah-rah battle cries. He understands the difference between pride and passion, ego and intelligence, and can tell a player -- be it a vet like Dwight Howard or a young guy like Dennis Schroder -- the truth even if it isn't what he wants to hear.


http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/presents18986226/five-nba-coaching-prospects-watch
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Re: Lookin' for a head coach 

Post#22 » by asudevil » Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:09 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:It would be a very Sarver move to appoint Majerle.


Sarver burned that bridge when he gave Hunter the HC job back in 2013. And then after Horny was canned they didnt even give Majerle a call, and instead went with a guy with no experience in Watson.

Majerle wouldnt even entertain that idea as he's already legendary at GCU.
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Re: Lookin' for a head coach 

Post#23 » by bwgood77 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:10 am

lilfishi22 wrote:Now that Watson is gone :rockon: :rockon: :rockon: we need a new head coach

Jay Triano has already been named interim HC so I assume his name will be in the hat for when we are looking for a permanent HC.

Couple other names have been discussed in the other threads like Messina, Pitino, Longabardi and so on. Would be good to get everyone's thoughts on who we should be targeting.

Messina is by far the best candidate in my books. He has the credentials (4x Euroleague cup champion, 2x Euroleague COY, considered one of the GOAT European coaches) and the experience (17 seasons in Euroleague, 3 seasons as assist coach under HOF Pops).

The only thing against him in my view is that he's always been a winner and I'm not sure he would want to leave a great winning situation in SA for a horse doo-doo that is the current Phoenix Suns

Sooo who ya got??


If it was me, I'd interview, Messina, Blatt, Melvin Hunt, Jay Larranaga, look into Jay Wright, and I'm sure there are others I haven't mentioned. As mentioned in my previous post, I might look into Darvin Ham. I'd probably also interview Dan Majerle but not completely sure there.

Monty Williams is an interesting mention as well.
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Re: Lookin' for a head coach 

Post#24 » by lilfishi22 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:18 am

Mr Puddles wrote:Screw it, let's find the most pissed off fan on this board to become the new coach of this team.

No more coddling, aqua yoga, Sanskrit reading, baton twirling, or whatever new age team bonding activity was the flavor of the week under zen master Watson.

Let's whip some sense into the heads of these entitled brats.

BurningHeart is and always will be the most pissed off fan on this board, even when we're winning.
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Re: Lookin' for a head coach 

Post#25 » by bwgood77 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:20 am

Kerrsed wrote:Im throwing Stackhouse's name into the mix as well.

Jerry Stackhouse, Raptors 905 head coach (D-League)
Before his playing career was even over, Stackhouse was providing spot duty as a de facto player development coach -- you could find him in 2011 at the Heat's facility working with Dwyane Wade on his post game. But it's one thing to get on the floor with a teammate, and another to build the kind of portfolio that makes a successful NBA head coach.

Those who have watched Stackhouse over the past two seasons, first on the Raptors' staff and then as the head coach of their D-League team, say he is doing all the right things. In addition to the respect he commands from players, Stackhouse, an 18-year former pro, has demonstrated a serious desire to learn the craft. He took USA Select teams abroad, attended Tim Grgurich's much-admired coaching camp, mentored fellow Kinston, North Carolina, native Brandon Ingram, and has become a devoted cinephile who spends endless sessions poring over film.

This season, Stackhouse's 905 squad has posted the best record in the D-League's Eastern Conference. Like every coach with big aspirations, he arrived with ambitious ideas that he has learned to adjust on the fly. He's a grinder who Raptors insiders say often holds twice daily practices, but he also enjoys the creative tasks of finding shots for guys. All the while, he continues to hone his skills as a game manager and messenger and seeks out advice from Dwane Casey and other vets of the trade. The league has taken notice of Stackhouse's maturation and success, and several execs expect he'll be on the interview circuit before long.


Some other good reads:

http://www.nba.com/article/2017/02/14/jerry-stackhouse-improving-as-coach-nba-d-league-raptors-905#/
https://raptorsrapture.com/2017/08/17/long-can-raptors-hold-jerry-stackhouse/
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/jerry-stackhouse-named-nba-d-league-coach-of-the-year/


Another opinion on Stackhouse... viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1627244&p=59435423#p59435684
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Re: Lookin' for a head coach 

Post#26 » by ATTL » Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:27 am

Blatt or Messina

I want Dan to continue building GCU up and I don't want him to coach an awful suns team and get fired while also damaging his suns legacy with fans.
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Post#27 » by WeekapaugGroove » Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:29 am

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WeekapaugGroove wrote:Id give Stackhouse, messina, and maybe a guy like sam Cassell interviews but it would be next spring. I'd wait until then because you just don't know if some good college coach looks to make the jump (say a guy like Tom Isso) or current head coach becomes available. I feel like they rushed the Watson hire and they should avoid that this year. Ride this out and try not to be an embarrassment and pick top 5 again and get the hire right next spring.

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But if you do that than its just another wasted year in these kids development.

Well thats Trianos job until March. It's not a great situation but its the reality that McD and sarver are responsible for in having Watson start this season. I just want them to take every possible step to get the next hire right so I prefer a time with more options.

A complete regime change is tough inseason. Not only is it hard to fill out a quality coaching staff but with limited practice its hard to implement a whole new system on the fly.

I look at this year as **** but its not like the players still can't go out there play hard and improve.



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Re: Lookin' for a head coach 

Post#28 » by Christine-In-AZ » Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:33 am

This is going to be McD's most consequential call...probably seal his fate one way or the other...hope Sarver will let him make the call on his own.



Anyone know the history of NBA teams making a true head coach hiring mid-season?
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Post#29 » by WeekapaugGroove » Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:42 am

I hope McD doesn't make this hire he probably should have been fired today too.

This is 4 years in a row they've went into the year with guys who were pouting and should have been dealt that summer. That's unacceptable. You need to understand the chemistry and capitalize on assets at their peak value.

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Re: Lookin' for a head coach 

Post#30 » by Christine-In-AZ » Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:47 am

WeekapaugGroove wrote:I hope McD doesn't make this hire he probably should have been fired today too.

This is 4 years in a row they've went into the year with guys who were pouting and should have been dealt that summer. That's unacceptable. You need to understand the chemistry and capitalize on assets at their peak value.

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Post#31 » by WeekapaugGroove » Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:51 am

ChrisInAZ wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:I hope McD doesn't make this hire he probably should have been fired today too.

This is 4 years in a row they've went into the year with guys who were pouting and should have been dealt that summer. That's unacceptable. You need to understand the chemistry and capitalize on assets at their peak value.

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Who then?

Im not up on the hot names in the gm world but those jobs don't come open as often as coaching gigs so it would be appealing even with sarvers dumb ass as the owner.

James Jones is an inhouse option and I would guess they reach out to nash to see if he would want to join the organization in some capacity.

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Post#32 » by jredsaz » Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:55 am

Kerrsed wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:Id give Stackhouse, messina, and maybe a guy like sam Cassell interviews but it would be next spring. I'd wait until then because you just don't know if some good college coach looks to make the jump (say a guy like Tom Isso) or current head coach becomes available. I feel like they rushed the Watson hire and they should avoid that this year. Ride this out and try not to be an embarrassment and pick top 5 again and get the hire right next spring.

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But if you do that than its just another wasted year in these kids development.

Right? They go into year 4 of Booker with his 4th head coach. But can they really look to hire a coach at this point? Is that even realistic? Just a dumpster fire. Suns are the new Kings.

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Post#33 » by Christine-In-AZ » Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:56 am

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
ChrisInAZ wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:I hope McD doesn't make this hire he probably should have been fired today too.

This is 4 years in a row they've went into the year with guys who were pouting and should have been dealt that summer. That's unacceptable. You need to understand the chemistry and capitalize on assets at their peak value.

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Who then?

Im not up on the hot names in the gm world but those jobs don't come open as often as coaching gigs so it would be appealing even with sarvers dumb ass as the owner.

James Jones is an inhouse option and I would guess they reach out to nash to see if he would want to join the organization in some capacity.

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So you're saying they need to fire just re-upped McDonough first ...ok, I get you now.

Hire Zach Lowe if that's the case.
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Post#34 » by lilfishi22 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:05 am

Removing McD right now would be a terrible idea. I know he's the one who hired Watson and built a roster which includes a now-disgruntled Bledsoe, old Chandler and a group of potentially disengaged youth but firing McD right now would create more confusion, chaos and ultimately lead to hasty decisions. McD might not be the guy to lead us going forward but we need him to at least lead us past this period of uncertainty.

Jones only just joined us so he shouldn't be an option and I don't know the in-house guys well enough to suggest anybody else.
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Post#35 » by WeekapaugGroove » Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:06 am

ChrisInAZ wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:
ChrisInAZ wrote:
Who then?

Im not up on the hot names in the gm world but those jobs don't come open as often as coaching gigs so it would be appealing even with sarvers dumb ass as the owner.

James Jones is an inhouse option and I would guess they reach out to nash to see if he would want to join the organization in some capacity.

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So you're saying they need to fire just re-upped McDonough first ...ok, I get you now.

Hire Zach Lowe if that's the case.

Yeah even with the extension McDs job needs to be evaluated this year. McD has wasted so much of sarvers money on bad contracts this would be only a drop in the bucket in the grand scheme of things.

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Re: Lookin' for a head coach 

Post#36 » by denial » Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:09 am

I would love Blatt. He got a terrible wrap in CLE and I think they owe him a ring, personally, for the foundation he set, iirc.
He would focus these kids on the proper parts of the game.

He is a perfect example of a head coach, as opposed to a good individual coach/trainer/assistant, which is what we have had, imo. He commands attention. He is always professional. He works tirelessly. He plays team basketball and has a system.

I don't know a lot about most of the coaches ya'll are mentioning. But this dude Blatt is a winner.

EDIT: no idea if dude is an option or available at all; just commented cuz I saw other ppl mentioning him
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Post#37 » by Qwigglez » Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:19 am

I'm on board with dude from the Spurs. Anyone that can bring a winning pedigree over here. Seriously, I don't know what the front office was thinking with Earl. He was a career loser and he went on preaching about unity and things being bigger than basketball. When the Suns were a winning team in 2010, there was an article written that the Suns had the most high fives in the league. Now this may seem silly, but the chemistry was on fire that year and the entire team had unity. But that doesn't happen just because the high-fives or hot yoga classes or taking the players out to dinner telling them we all love each other. That happens after you have a winning culture. Watson was missing the biggest piece of the puzzle before trying to implement the small stuff. He has always been a career loser and his signing was about the same IMO as signing Lindsey Hunter and Terry Porter.

Anyway, I'm hoping Triano or whatever coach we get in the future, is able to utilize our players to the best of their ability. Watson loved talking about growth, but he showed nothing to grow our players. I really want to see what Bender can do instead of just camping out the three point line. I want to see what Jackson & Booker can do.
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Post#38 » by Kerrsed » Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:23 am

Qwigglez wrote:I'm on board with dude from the Spurs. Anyone that can bring a winning pedigree over here. Seriously, I don't know what the front office was thinking with Earl. He was a career loser and he went on preaching about unity and things being bigger than basketball. When the Suns were a winning team in 2010, there was an article written that the Suns had the most high fives in the league. Now this may seem silly, but the chemistry was on fire that year and the entire team had unity. But that doesn't happen just because the high-fives or hot yoga classes or taking the players out to dinner telling them we all love each other. That happens after you have a winning culture. Watson was missing the biggest piece of the puzzle before trying to implement the small stuff. He has always been a career loser and his signing was about the same IMO as signing Lindsey Hunter and Terry Porter.

Anyway, I'm hoping Triano or whatever coach we get in the future, is able to utilize our players to the best of their ability. Watson loved talking about growth, but he showed nothing to grow our players. I really want to see what Bender can do instead of just camping out the three point line. I want to see what Jackson & Booker can do.



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Re: Lookin' for a head coach 

Post#39 » by lilfishi22 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:34 am

Qwigglez wrote:I'm on board with dude from the Spurs. Anyone that can bring a winning pedigree over here. Seriously, I don't know what the front office was thinking with Earl. He was a career loser and he went on preaching about unity and things being bigger than basketball. When the Suns were a winning team in 2010, there was an article written that the Suns had the most high fives in the league. Now this may seem silly, but the chemistry was on fire that year and the entire team had unity. But that doesn't happen just because the high-fives or hot yoga classes or taking the players out to dinner telling them we all love each other. That happens after you have a winning culture. Watson was missing the biggest piece of the puzzle before trying to implement the small stuff. He has always been a career loser and his signing was about the same IMO as signing Lindsey Hunter and Terry Porter.

Anyway, I'm hoping Triano or whatever coach we get in the future, is able to utilize our players to the best of their ability. Watson loved talking about growth, but he showed nothing to grow our players. I really want to see what Bender can do instead of just camping out the three point line. I want to see what Jackson & Booker can do.

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Post#40 » by Blackification » Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:37 am

I'm tired of these inhouse/previous suns player hires. We don't need another Jeff Hornacek situation because the front office wants to gain some favor with fans by putting on a familiar face. Like Qwigglez said, bring in someone with some experience and winning pedigree to instill a championship mentality into this team. Watson got em to play hard at first, but that **** wears of when it doesn't result in anything. We need a coach that will teach to to work hard and play smart.

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