Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 2

[Qwigglez]

Ok, my issue with this is Parker has torn the ACL in his left knee TWICE now. He also is at the end of his rookie contract, so how do you judge his future payday? He supposedly is supposed to be back around just after the All-star game, so that only gives around a month to try to see what we would have in him, and if it really is just a month left in the season, wouldnt it kind of make sense not to rush him and just sit him for the entire season? So now you are basing his rookie contract extension on what he did a few seasons ago. Thats kind of scary.

And what would bringing in Parker do to the development of the other youngsters playing the same position? Im sure Chriss and Bender would love to fall further down the depth chart.

The deal you posted would be a no go in my book. Giving up Bledsoe for a chance to maybe have something in a injured player who has spent half of his rookie contract on the sidelines rehabbing his knee and for an expiring Monroe? Word is that the Bucks offer to Cleveland for Irving was Bogdan/Middleton/Bucks 1st. I would want at least Parker/Bogdon with the Chandler/Monroe swap included just to think about it.

In my trade scenario we give them Chriss. IDK, I'm just not a fan of his right now. He reminds me of Amare defensively, but he thinks he is Amare offensively and he is very very far away from being even a rotational player in the NBA. Anyway, I doubt Kris would be included in any deal we have to offer. Brogdon is playing well and I could see the Bucks parting with him, but for some reason I believe Parker is the easier trade if I were the Bucks front office since the uncertainty of his injury.

Since he would be a restricted free agent we wouldn't necessarily have to offer him an contract extension this off-season, we would just have to match any reasonable offer another team gives out. If no one bites and he doesn't accept a deal likely similar to what we gave Warren, then he can play the 2018-19 season and gamble on his future. I'd be willing to give Parker a shot however, because he fits our timeline, he could likely play the 4 and Bender could play the 5 in the future. Or we can run a tall lineup of Booker/Jackson/Bender/Parker/Ayton (Bagley).

Also, the reason I included Chandler was because of his connection with Kidd in that championship team. If the Bucks are unwilling to deal the expiring contract of Monroe, then I would be okay with taking back Henson/Tellytubby and keeping any picks.

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Is Brogdan/a first/filler for Bledsoe something worth pursuing? I don't know much about Brogdan other than some highlights from last season and that he was ROTY. Is he more of a combo guard than a PG?

I really would have liked the Suns to have gotten Rubio. Granted he can't shoot, but I think he'd help make the young guys around him better with his unselfishness.

[Saberestar]

Not sure if this has been posted already, but I think that is important that Bjorkgren is not with the team anymore. I really liked him.

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[Saberestar]

Maybe we're trying to convince Nash (Jay Triano) to be our coach?

I would love that.

Why? Can we please hire someone with coaching experience this time?

A veterean HC is an expensive HC. If I Have learned something about Sarver is that he hates to pay big money to the coaches. So I expect another "Porter", "Gentry"or "Hunter" or"Hornacek" or "Watson" coming over next summer.

Over that option, I would love to bring Steve Nash. I think that he is so smart that he can be a good assistant or even HC since day one.

But he probably doesn't want to coach full time, so this option is just a dream.

[Kerrsed]

Is Brogdan/a first/filler for Bledsoe something worth pursuing? I don't know much about Brogdan other than some highlights from last season and that he was ROTY. Is he more of a combo guard than a PG?

I really would have liked the Suns to have gotten Rubio. Granted he can't shoot, but I think he'd help make the young guys around him better with his unselfishness.

6'5, decent defender, shoots on good percentages, thats about all i really know. Its hard because even though he is a PG, he plays off the ball due to the Greek Freak really running the point, so Bogdon doesnt get many assists. He's also a bit older due to the fact he spent 4 years in college.

This article here gives a good breakdown as to what he brings to the table (Complete with video breakdowns):

https://nbamath.com/rookie-of-the-year-is-only-the-beginning-for-malcolm-brogdon/

Ive been trying to read up on him alot as i see a lot of Bucks fans offering him up for Bledsoe.

[Bogyo]

If Bled liked Watson why did he quit on him (and his beloved teammates) so blatantly? Punk move.
Trade his ass and put Chriss in the package as well. I'm sure he'll pout that his daddy is gone and he will not get all the minutes which he does not deserve. This way we might get ahead of future trouble with him, and at least have a chance to get some value back with a promising young guy going out with our disgruntled star.

[thamadkant]

I mentioned this already but I would add the 2018 Miami 1st to get this deal done, maybe even the 2021 Miami 1st instead.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybnn7285

Jabari is a prime-time player regardless of his injury IMO and he's worth gambling on. This is the kind of move I would expect Ryan McD to make. He also has a history of trading with the Bucks for players before they become restricted free agents so there is that as well. Just Brandon Knight, but whatevs.

I could see a play being drawn up where Jabari is ISO'd on the perimeter and having Bender/Jackson in the corners and Booker floating the elbow three. We need a scorer of Parker's caliber.

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I'm all for it... I'm a Jabari Parker fan, I think he is a star.

[Kerrsed]

Is it too late to do a Laker deal?

Bledsoe/Miami 1st to Brooklyn for Russell/Mozgov

[Bogyo]

Bledsoe+Chriss+Miami pick+our2nd rounder for Jabari, Brogdon and Monroe?

[Kerrsed]

Bledsoe+Chriss+Miami pick+our2nd rounder for Jabari, Brogdon and Monroe?

Chandler would have to be added (Which im fine with).

If that was the deal, i'd begrudgingly take it.

[Bogyo]

Bledsoe+Chriss+Miami pick+our2nd rounder for Jabari, Brogdon and Monroe?

Chandler would have to be added (Which im fine with).

If that was the deal, i'd begrudgingly take it.

Not sure they would want to take on his corpse and his contract, that's why I left him out of this deal, but I would be OK with adding him. I just think he would be a negative in this trade.

[Qwigglez]

Bledsoe+Chriss+Miami pick+our2nd rounder for Jabari, Brogdon and Monroe?

I don't think the Bucks would give up both Parker and Brodgon. I think for cap purposes they would rather have Brogdon since he's still on his rookie contract where as Parker is a RFA this off-season. If we were to do Bledsoe/Chandler/Chriss for Parker/Henson/Teletovic I think it's a deal both teams would benefit from.

For the Suns we are gambling on Parker getting over his injury and becoming a franchise cornerstone. Parker would add a different dynamic scorer to the team, and I don't think would interfere with Booker. Actually, I think him and Booker would work very well together, especially in a PnR situation. Teletovic could possibly help Bender on his shooting or something. Henson is still relatively young and could be our backup center the following year if Len finds a contract elsewhere.

For the Bucks, they get Bledsoe who should tear it up against the Eastern Conference, and fits in perfectly with the Bucks athleticism. Chandler would likely start in a role similar to what he had with the Suns, and provide that veteran leadership. He also has ties with Kidd because they were part of that championship team together in Dallas. Chriss provides relief that they didn't just trade Parker for old guys.

One more thing I want to add, the Suns should have been a terrible team and should have had a top 3 pick in that 2014 draft anyway. So this is a chance for McD to redeem himself. I think the fans would actually be very happy about this kind of deal too. If we trade Bledsoe for anything such as Mudiay/Faried, or some other crap young players I feel fans may riot. I certainly will be upset.

[Kerrsed]

Bledsoe+Chriss+Miami pick+our2nd rounder for Jabari, Brogdon and Monroe?

Chandler would have to be added (Which im fine with).

If that was the deal, i'd begrudgingly take it.

Not sure they would want to take on his corpse and his contract, that's why I left him out of this deal, but I would be OK with adding him. I just think he would be a negative in this trade.

I look at it this way, They were willing to do Brogdon/Middleton/1st for Irving. Now i realize Bledsoe isnt on the Irving level, but i also feel like Middleton holds more value than a twice injured Parker on an expiring contract. We also would be the ones sending a draft pick instead of receiving one, and on top of that sending Chriss, who still has a ton of potential. So yes, they can take on Chandler at the expense of Monroe.

But who knows, fans are going to be fans and homerish. While i might be considered way off in my evaluation, i feel its a lot closer than some of the Bucks proposals i see on the trade board which usually consist of a random pairing of Henson/Vaughn/Teletovic/Wilson/Delly (In no particular order) and a 1st for Bledsoe/Chandler

[Kerrsed]

Bledsoe+Chriss+Miami pick+our2nd rounder for Jabari, Brogdon and Monroe?

I don't think the Bucks would give up both Parker and Brodgon. I think for cap purposes they would rather have Brogdon since he's still on his rookie contract where as Parker is a RFA this off-season. If we were to do Bledsoe/Chandler/Chriss for Parker/Henson/Teletovic I think it's a deal both teams would benefit from.

For the Suns we are gambling on Parker getting over his injury and becoming a franchise cornerstone. Parker would add a different dynamic scorer to the team, and I don't think would interfere with Booker. Actually, I think him and Booker would work very well together, especially in a PnR situation. Teletovic could possibly help Bender on his shooting or something. Henson is still relatively young and could be our backup center the following year if Len finds a contract elsewhere.

For the Bucks, they get Bledsoe who should tear it up against the Eastern Conference, and fits in perfectly with the Bucks athleticism. Chandler would likely start in a role similar to what he had with the Suns, and provide that veteran leadership. He also has ties with Kidd because they were part of that championship team together in Dallas. Chriss provides relief that they didn't just trade Parker for old guys.

One more thing I want to add, the Suns should have been a terrible team and should have had a top 3 pick in that 2014 draft anyway. So this is a chance for McD to redeem himself.

Thats horrible. Your pretty much pinning your hopes on a injured expiring contract. He has torn the same ACL TWICE in 3 years. If he comes back and is a shell of his former self, you just gave away Bledsoe and Chriss for **** Mirza and Henson (who they have spent years trying to trade)! Not to mention having to pay out the ass to Parker next year just to see if he can still play!

Seriously that is insane!

Henson for christs sake, they have been trying to trade him off since they gave him his new contract! That was instant regret!

[Kerrsed]

So this is a chance for McD to redeem himself. I think the fans would actually be very happy about this kind of deal too. If we trade Bledsoe for anything such as Mudiay/Faried, or some other crap young players I feel fans may riot. I certainly will be upset.

LOL, but the Fans wouldnt riot hedging their bets on Mr. Torn ACL X2, and 2 crap players on crap contracts?

[Kerrsed]

From Zach Lowes yearly prediction article:

Milwaukee pays to get off Henson or Mirza Teletovic

They could probably get off Mirza Teletovic now if they sweetened the pot with a first-round pick and a year's supply of Teletovic's favorite hair gel. They need him at least until Parker returns around February. Dumping Henson might have to wait until July, when his deal will be a year closer to expiration.

So he thinks it would take a 1st round pick just to unload Mirza. Henson will cost them more as his deal is much worse and longer. Yet you want to take them on, while also giving up Chriss (a top 10 pick 2 years ago) and give them draft pick on top of all that just to take a flyer on Parker.

Nah, count me out on that. Way way way way way way way out.

[No-Man]

Denver, package in the shape of a young asset, 2 of Juancho, Lyles, Mudiay or Lydon probably, a pick or draft rights (depending on which youngsters you get) and a filler, Arthur or Faried.

Cleveland, something around a youngster, Osman, Zizic, a future pick, Shumpert, Thompson, probably you can unload Dudley or Chandler in the trade, maybe add Frye.

Milwaukee, difficult unless Phoenix likes Parker (gotta pay him and you already paid Warren, nobody has played after two ACLs in the same knee, only examples Redd and Josh Howard both retired almost right after), so Parker, Delly maybe add Henson too and you can unload one of Kidd's buddies Chandler/Dudley who have shorter contracts than Henson and hence Milwaukee might add a pick or DJ Wilson?

LA, would have to be something like Austin Rivers, Dekker and a 2021 1st, Clippers don't have much more, moving on from Rivers makes sense if they don't care about Doc long term.

Those are the 4 teams that makes most sense for me, San Antonio does too but for the trade to work they'd have to include Parker salary wise and they arent trading one of their own, plus the Spurs rarely get involve in big trades.

Which option makes more sense to you guys? any others I might've missed?

All 3 of those moves offer a defensive Guard to pair with Booker, Shumpert, Delly and Rivers, that could be useful actually.

[No-Man]

Is Brogdan/a first/filler for Bledsoe something worth pursuing? I don't know much about Brogdan other than some highlights from last season and that he was ROTY. Is he more of a combo guard than a PG?

I really would have liked the Suns to have gotten Rubio. Granted he can't shoot, but I think he'd help make the young guys around him better with his unselfishness.

If I'm the Bucks I am not moving Brogdon, in 2 years he is likely better than Bledsoe, or at least more useful, a better fit, obviously younger and cheaper.