Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 2

Revived · Post #81 » by **Revived** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:17 pm

I would ask for Gary Harris or Jamal Murray from the Nuggets in return for Bledsoe.

Denver doesn't need both those guys if their acquiring Bledsoe as they already have good depth in the backcourt with Barton and Mudiay too.

I'd love to get Murray on this team.

wheezy · Post #82 » by **wheezy** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:19 pm

What about Bledsoe for Dieng, tyus jones, and a pick? Wolves can flip Teague somewhere in a separate deal.

BobbieL · Post #83 » by **BobbieL** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:27 pm

Revived wrote:I would ask for Gary Harris or Jamal Murray from the Nuggets in return for Bledsoe.

Denver doesn't need both those guys if their acquiring Bledsoe as they already have good depth in the backcourt with Barton and Mudiay too.

I'd love to get Murray on this team.

I would love to get Murray - I just never bring him up because I just don't think its a possibility.

If I see a deal with Denver, its Mudiay, Arthur and a future first rounder. Granted, maybe Denver panics for Bledsoe and go all in

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #84 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:36 pm

BobbieL wrote:
cosmofizzo wrote:I would really appreciate a blockbuster. Not interested in moving any picks, Booker, Jackson or Bender, and generally hesitant to trade our other young guys as well. But I think McD has whatever leeway he needs to do something fairly dramatic. I'm down.

I agree - I am thinking Bledsoe, Chriss, Chandler, the Heat pick, possibly another pick is in play

Parker, Teletovic, Brogan and Monroe works for Bledsoe, Chriss and Chandler. Miami pick could be added I guess

Clips just lost the PG I think - Milos T - - what about Bledsoe for Sweet Lou, Wesley Johnson and a 1st

I'm just not interested in Parker. Not handing out a big contract to that guy. I'm looking elsewhere.

carey · Post #85 » by **carey** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:43 pm

We need to take back fewer players than we send out in a trade unless we plan on cutting someone.

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #86 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:56 pm

carey wrote:We need to take back fewer players than we send out in a trade unless we plan on cutting someone.

Not particularly worried about the logistics at this point. I'm more concerned about getting veterans that fit.

NYKHardKnock · Post #87 » by **NYKHardKnock** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:57 pm

Courtney Lee and WHG for Bledsoe? Willy is a great prospect, not being played bc our head coach is a baffon

Post #88 » by **bwgood77** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:01 pm

BobbieL wrote:
Revived wrote:I would ask for Gary Harris or Jamal Murray from the Nuggets in return for Bledsoe.

Denver doesn't need both those guys if their acquiring Bledsoe as they already have good depth in the backcourt with Barton and Mudiay too.

I'd love to get Murray on this team.

I would love to get Murray - I just never bring him up because I just don't think its a possibility.

If I see a deal with Denver, its Mudiay, Arthur and a future first rounder. Granted, maybe Denver panics for Bledsoe and go all in

Yeah, no way we get Murray. Or Harris. I think Murray probably could even work well as PG with the offense running through Jokic. If they didn't feel that way they likely wouldn't have waived Nelson for Richard Jefferson.

I think Lowe mentioned Chicago, and also said that Orlando has considered moving on from Payton (but they go back and forth) and the Hawks have thought about moving on from Schroeder (not good for locker room). We'd probably need to take either of those guys. Schroeder has has some crazy off court incidents I think so I don't think we'd want him. Not sure about Payton. I wouldn't mind him since his shooting has improved (if it stays improved).

Bucks might make most sense but not sure what they'd give up. Denver it would probably be Mudiay a first and some filler. They MIGHT include Hernangomez but we'd need to take Arthur for filler which I wouldn't mind. He's a good shooting big man.

Post #89 » by **bwgood77** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:02 pm

Kristaps6_NYK wrote:Courtney Lee and WHG for Bledsoe? Willy is a great prospect, not being played bc our head coach is a baffon

I brought up WHG yesterday, since you guys have so many centers, we need a PG, and Hornacek has worked with Bledsoe. Lee is a nice vet but his #s always leave me uninspired. We have a bunch of centers anyway.

Post #90 » by **Qwigglez** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:03 pm

I honestly hope we trade Bledsoe before tonight's game.

Post #91 » by **bwgood77** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:10 pm

Qwigglez wrote:I honestly hope we trade Bledsoe before tonight's game.

You know McD will hold out for a long time and ask for more than is realistic but once again it will be to the detriment to the team. Even though he ends up sometimes getting decent assets by doing so with Kieff, for example, keeping guys around too long just leaves a bad aura around our team and it has to sour players on it all.

I just would really like to know if there is a divide between players. I want to know what players really wanted Watson gone. It seems you have some sort of clique with Ulis, Booker and Chriss, and with Chriss pouting about not starting and Ulis likely not happy with playing time, I wonder if it starts there.

The whole drafting Booker's long time best friend has always left me a little worried that it could backfire like when we have twins and stuff.

BobbieL · Post #92 » by **BobbieL** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:16 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
BobbieL wrote:
Revived wrote:I would ask for Gary Harris or Jamal Murray from the Nuggets in return for Bledsoe.

Denver doesn't need both those guys if their acquiring Bledsoe as they already have good depth in the backcourt with Barton and Mudiay too.

I'd love to get Murray on this team.

I would love to get Murray - I just never bring him up because I just don't think its a possibility.

If I see a deal with Denver, its Mudiay, Arthur and a future first rounder. Granted, maybe Denver panics for Bledsoe and go all in

Yeah, no way we get Murray. Or Harris. I think Murray probably could even work well as PG with the offense running through Jokic. If they didn't feel that way they likely wouldn't have waived Nelson for Richard Jefferson.

I think Lowe mentioned Chicago, and also said that Orlando has considered moving on from Payton (but they go back and forth) and the Hawks have thought about moving on from Schroeder (not good for locker room). We'd probably need to take either of those guys. Schroeder has has some crazy off court incidents I think so I don't think we'd want him. Not sure about Payton. I wouldn't mind him since his shooting has improved (if it stays improved).

Bucks might make most sense but not sure what they'd give up. Denver it would probably be Mudiay a first and some filler. They MIGHT include Hernangomez but we'd need to take Arthur for filler which I wouldn't mind. He's a good shooting big man.

I think the trade that makes the most sense is Mudiay, Arthur and and a future first - also realistic.

I guess I mean its more realistic than the best trade out there. But if can move he and Chandler, bring in Mark Jackson - I think the team starts to get better.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #93 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:28 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
Qwigglez wrote:I honestly hope we trade Bledsoe before tonight's game.

You know McD will hold out for a long time and ask for more than is realistic but once again it will be to the detriment to the team. Even though he ends up sometimes getting decent assets by doing so with Kieff, for example, keeping guys around too long just leaves a bad aura around our team and it has to sour players on it all.

I just would really like to know if there is a divide between players. I want to know what players really wanted Watson gone. It seems you have some sort of clique with Ulis, Booker and Chriss, and with Chriss pouting about not starting and Ulis likely not happy with playing time, I wonder if it starts there.

The whole drafting Booker's long time best friend has always left me a little worried that it could backfire like when we have twins and stuff.

I agree and history says McD will let this fester for a while. Which personally I think is a **** horrible idea.

The mess of the past few years is a pretty good example of why when rebuilding you really shouldn't have guys on your roster in their primes or past their primes on big contracts. They lose motivation to play hard and are a detriment to the team in general. When rebuilding you should use your cap space to take on bad contracts with assets attached they just cut those guys and eat the salary. Your roster should be filled with your young guys and then vets on short cheap contracts (guys like Ronnie Price) or guys trying to prove they belong in the league who are going to be playing their asses off and pushing the young guys.

BobbieL · Post #94 » by **BobbieL** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:30 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
Kristaps6_NYK wrote:Courtney Lee and WHG for Bledsoe? Willy is a great prospect, not being played bc our head coach is a baffon

I brought up WHG yesterday, since you guys have so many centers, we need a PG, and Hornacek has worked with Bledsoe. Lee is a nice vet but his #s always leave me uninspired. We have a bunch of centers anyway.

To me, the problem with Courtney Lee is that he has three years left on his deal. When Zach Lowe mention Valucunis for Chandler - again, Tyson expires in 2019.

So, ideally, if the Suns are moving Bledsoe, its either for the right long term term - or for contracts and draft picks that give you flexibility no later than the summer of 2019

I agree with the post above - would be nice to have a deal in place before the game tonight.

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #95 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:30 pm

BobbieL wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
BobbieL wrote:
I would love to get Murray - I just never bring him up because I just don't think its a possibility.

If I see a deal with Denver, its Mudiay, Arthur and a future first rounder. Granted, maybe Denver panics for Bledsoe and go all in

Yeah, no way we get Murray. Or Harris. I think Murray probably could even work well as PG with the offense running through Jokic. If they didn't feel that way they likely wouldn't have waived Nelson for Richard Jefferson.

I think Lowe mentioned Chicago, and also said that Orlando has considered moving on from Payton (but they go back and forth) and the Hawks have thought about moving on from Schroeder (not good for locker room). We'd probably need to take either of those guys. Schroeder has has some crazy off court incidents I think so I don't think we'd want him. Not sure about Payton. I wouldn't mind him since his shooting has improved (if it stays improved).

Bucks might make most sense but not sure what they'd give up. Denver it would probably be Mudiay a first and some filler. They MIGHT include Hernangomez but we'd need to take Arthur for filler which I wouldn't mind. He's a good shooting big man.

I think the trade that makes the most sense is Mudiay, Arthur and and a future first - also realistic.

I guess I mean its more realistic than the best trade out there. But if can move he and Chandler, bring in Mark Jackson - I think the team starts to get better.

I prefer the idea of Faried as a cornerstone to a Bledsoe deal. We wouldn't win more, but Faried plays hard and with a chip on his shoulder. Faried and a first is all I would require; Hernangomez, Beasley, Mudiay, Lyles or seconds would be gravy.

bhawk · Post #96 » by **bhawk** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:31 pm

We should consider the possibility of benching Bledsoe until further notice. Clearly, he does not want to be a Sun, so send his ass home until we find a suitable trade. We can't afford him getting injured.

BobbieL · Post #97 » by **BobbieL** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:32 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Qwigglez wrote:I honestly hope we trade Bledsoe before tonight's game.

You know McD will hold out for a long time and ask for more than is realistic but once again it will be to the detriment to the team. Even though he ends up sometimes getting decent assets by doing so with Kieff, for example, keeping guys around too long just leaves a bad aura around our team and it has to sour players on it all.

I just would really like to know if there is a divide between players. I want to know what players really wanted Watson gone. It seems you have some sort of clique with Ulis, Booker and Chriss, and with Chriss pouting about not starting and Ulis likely not happy with playing time, I wonder if it starts there.

The whole drafting Booker's long time best friend has always left me a little worried that it could backfire like when we have twins and stuff.

I agree and history says McD will let this fester for a while. Which personally I think is a **** horrible idea.

The mess of the past few years is a pretty good example of why when rebuilding you really shouldn't have guys on your roster in their primes or past their primes on big contracts. They lose motivation to play hard and are a detriment to the team in general. When rebuilding you should use your cap space to take on bad contracts with assets attached they just cut those guys and eat the salary. Your roster should be filled with your young guys and then vets on short cheap contracts (guys like Ronnie Price) or guys trying to prove they belong in the league who are going to be playing their asses off and pushing the young guys.

Agreed - that's why trading Chandler now, just to move forward while giving Len 36 minutes per game is the way to go.

Revived · Post #98 » by **Revived** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:33 pm

Kristaps6_NYK wrote:Courtney Lee and WHG for Bledsoe? Willy is a great prospect, not being played bc our head coach is a baffon

Ah yes, that baffon is quite popular around here.

I'm a huge WHG fan so yeah I think I would do it. He has more promise and potential than Len does and gives more effort than Chandler does too.

NTB · Post #99 » by **NTB** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:37 pm

Sreister · Post #100 » by **Sreister** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:38 pm

I like Denver as a trade partner. Bled for Faried and Mudiay or some variation to make it work. Those numbers work, not sure if we need to send a first? Log jam at PF but in this NBA, Faried/Chriss/Bender can all go between the 4/5 with Len in there too and hopefully we move Chandler to free up minutes. Not like this season is going anywhere, might as well get something for Bled, get Faried's FIRE on our roster, and gut out some wins.