The Official Allen Crabbe Thread

[Prokorov]

I'm only comparing ages because you wanted to compare Harris's last year to Crabbe from 2 years ago.

Crabbe last year was WAY BETTER than Harris. And since you're so obsessed with 3 point percentage, Crabbe shot 44% from 3 last year which was one of the best in the NBA.

who ever said otherwise? no debated Crabbe was better then Harris last season. the point was that Marks gave Crabbe a huge contract for putting up the same numbers harris put up last year (both their third season)

There was no comparison between Crabbe and Harris last year. You're trying to bring in Crabbe from 2 years ago which makes no sense.

im not "trying" to do anything and if you actually understood the dicussion or took the time to ready these posts you would no why that comparison was made. The orignal argument went like this:

"Crabbe was vastly overpaid"

"no he wasnt"

"Crabbe got paid for putting up the same numbers that harris put up last year"

"ok so marks basically offered crabbe 19 million when he produced like joe harris?

"yup"

then it turned to...

"in an expanded role with more volume crabbe could do alot better"

the ladder we will wait and see. lots of people on both sides. some think with more volume he gets better, other think his percentags drop with more volume

Let's look at Harris's stats from 2 years ago:
.6 PGG on 25% shooting.

LMAO. Trash.

he played 15 minutes total in the entire season. i dont find that to be a very reliable sample size. as a comparison, he has already played twice that amount already this year

[Trader_Joe]

Crabbe is better on both ends this season, all while Harris has been good and great value. Also, Crabbe has much more potential. Worth Nicholson and cap and it's nice to have both.

[vincecarter4pres]

There's some shades of Kerry Kittles in Crabbe.

[kamaze]

There's some shades of Kerry Kittles in Crabbe.

I see the comparison he's thin like him.
Jason Williams if they drafted Kerry Kittles "all I saw was a hat and ears."

[Netaman]

There's some shades of Kerry Kittles in Crabbe.

I see more shades of Kittles in Levert, especially the long strides and insane quickness. Crabbe's ability to shoot with his feet in an awkward positions is rare. Don't really have good Nets comp for him. Morrow is the only other guy I can remember being that automatic from 3 regardless of circumstance, but obviously not a great comp since Crabbe's a lot better at everything else.

[MrDollarBills]

I don't see Kerry Kittles in either of these players.

Kittles was a two way guy, just like them but kittles was more limited. LeVert with the added muscle is a rack attacker/disher/defender. Kittles' ball handle is nothing like LeVert's. LeVert is making the case for one of the best nets draft picks on the perimeter since Kenny Anderson or Richard Jefferson.

Crabbe is an elite shooter that is showing signs of being a legit defender. i don't see a direct comparison.

i see something in this group, but i'll let them prove it. but Russell/LeVert/Crabbe/RHJ/Allen are a legit core

[Aussienet3]

There's some shades of Kerry Kittles in Crabbe.

I think Caris gives us more accurate resemblance of the great Kerry! One of my all time favourite players! That's why ive latched onto LeVert as my new favourite player. Because of that resemblance. But I do see your point.

[NyCeEvO]

I don't see Kerry Kittles in either of these players.

Kittles was a two way guy, just like them but kittles was more limited. LeVert with the added muscle is a rack attacker/disher/defender. Kittles' ball handle is nothing like LeVert's. LeVert is making the case for one of the best nets draft picks on the perimeter since Kenny Anderson or Richard Jefferson.

Crabbe is an elite shooter that is showing signs of being a legit defender. i don't see a direct comparison.

i see something in this group, but i'll let them prove it. but Russell/LeVert/Crabbe/RHJ/Allen are a legit core

I'm with you. The few elements that they may share with Kittles are dwarfed by other major differences.

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[MrDollarBills]

Kerry imo was also a better ball handler than Crabbe and he was faster than both LeVert and Crabbe.

so yeah, I don't see it.

[Prokorov]

Crabbe is better on both ends this season, all while Harris has been good and great value. Also, Crabbe has much more potential. Worth Nicholson and cap and it's nice to have both.

again this was never anti crabbe. this was anti crabbe at all-star money

i like crabbe i like the fit. to me this is a criticism of marks not crabbe. if crabbe was making the MLE id be fine with it

[Prokorov]

There's some shades of Kerry Kittles in Crabbe.

I see more shades of Kittles in Levert, especially the long strides and insane quickness. Crabbe's ability to shoot with his feet in an awkward positions is rare. Don't really have good Nets comp for him. Morrow is the only other guy I can remember being that automatic from 3 regardless of circumstance, but obviously not a great comp since Crabbe's a lot better at everything else.

Kittles, especially pre injury kittles was a super athlete who runs like a gazelle. i think levert is a better comparison

[Prokorov]

I don't see Kerry Kittles in either of these players.

Kittles was a two way guy, just like them but kittles was more limited. LeVert with the added muscle is a rack attacker/disher/defender. Kittles' ball handle is nothing like LeVert's. LeVert is making the case for one of the best nets draft picks on the perimeter since Kenny Anderson or Richard Jefferson.

Crabbe is an elite shooter that is showing signs of being a legit defender. i don't see a direct comparison.

i see something in this group, but i'll let them prove it. but Russell/LeVert/Crabbe/RHJ/Allen are a legit core

i would strongly disagree. i think kittles was better then levert at basically everything. especially defense and in transition. i dont think leverts handle is better. Kerry didnt have a jaw dropping cross but he could go both ways and beat you. he was also like twice the college player levert was

keep in mind the Kidd/finals era kittles was a diminished post injury kittles too

[Trader_Joe]

Crabbe is better on both ends this season, all while Harris has been good and great value. Also, Crabbe has much more potential. Worth Nicholson and cap and it's nice to have both.

again this was never anti crabbe. this was anti crabbe at all-star money

i like crabbe i like the fit. to me this is a criticism of marks not crabbe. if crabbe was making the MLE id be fine with it

I kind of look at it with Nicholson outgoing for the same 3 years or $13m net and for that he is worth it.

Or between him and Harris we have $20m at the SG position, which is fine for what we get. If he can be a top 5 3 point shooter, get to the line like he has and play D like he has, he is worth the contract to us. He's getting to the line over 4 times a game right now, which is great.

[Trader_Joe]

I don't see Kerry Kittles in either of these players.

Kittles was a two way guy, just like them but kittles was more limited. LeVert with the added muscle is a rack attacker/disher/defender. Kittles' ball handle is nothing like LeVert's. LeVert is making the case for one of the best nets draft picks on the perimeter since Kenny Anderson or Richard Jefferson.

Crabbe is an elite shooter that is showing signs of being a legit defender. i don't see a direct comparison.

i see something in this group, but i'll let them prove it. but Russell/LeVert/Crabbe/RHJ/Allen are a legit core

i would strongly disagree. i think kittles was better then levert at basically everything. especially defense and in transition. i dont think leverts handle is better. Kerry didnt have a jaw dropping cross but he could go both ways and beat you. he was also like twice the college player levert was

keep in mind the Kidd/finals era kittles was a diminished post injury kittles too

Agree Kittles is being underrated or mis-remembered. He was a great scorer and shooter in college, when rivals with Allen. He was great in transition, good on D and more than capable of handling the ball.

[MrDollarBills]

I don't see Kerry Kittles in either of these players.

Kittles was a two way guy, just like them but kittles was more limited. LeVert with the added muscle is a rack attacker/disher/defender. Kittles' ball handle is nothing like LeVert's. LeVert is making the case for one of the best nets draft picks on the perimeter since Kenny Anderson or Richard Jefferson.

Crabbe is an elite shooter that is showing signs of being a legit defender. i don't see a direct comparison.

i see something in this group, but i'll let them prove it. but Russell/LeVert/Crabbe/RHJ/Allen are a legit core

i would strongly disagree. i think kittles was better then levert at basically everything. especially defense and in transition. i dont think leverts handle is better. Kerry didnt have a jaw dropping cross but he could go both ways and beat you. he was also like twice the college player levert was

keep in mind the Kidd/finals era kittles was a diminished post injury kittles too

Kittles was a better shooter, a + defender and fast as lightning but I don't recall his ball handling or passing being anything like LeVert's....

and yes by limited that always refers to post injury Kittles.

[Prokorov]

Crabbe is better on both ends this season, all while Harris has been good and great value. Also, Crabbe has much more potential. Worth Nicholson and cap and it's nice to have both.

again this was never anti crabbe. this was anti crabbe at all-star money

i like crabbe i like the fit. to me this is a criticism of marks not crabbe. if crabbe was making the MLE id be fine with it

I kind of look at it with Nicholson outgoing for the same 3 years or $13m net and for that he is worth it.

Or between him and Harris we have $20m at the SG position, which is fine for what we get. If he can be a top 5 3 point shooter, get to the line like he has and play D like he has, he is worth the contract to us. He's getting to the line over 4 times a game right now, which is great.

yeah i never buy that argument. maybe if crabbe and nicholson made the same amount where it evens out. but crabbe makes liek 13 million more then him. plus portland was in a bind. we bailed them out

you need to either get a first rounder or not do that deal

[Prokorov]

I don't see Kerry Kittles in either of these players.

Kittles was a two way guy, just like them but kittles was more limited. LeVert with the added muscle is a rack attacker/disher/defender. Kittles' ball handle is nothing like LeVert's. LeVert is making the case for one of the best nets draft picks on the perimeter since Kenny Anderson or Richard Jefferson.

Crabbe is an elite shooter that is showing signs of being a legit defender. i don't see a direct comparison.

i see something in this group, but i'll let them prove it. but Russell/LeVert/Crabbe/RHJ/Allen are a legit core

i would strongly disagree. i think kittles was better then levert at basically everything. especially defense and in transition. i dont think leverts handle is better. Kerry didnt have a jaw dropping cross but he could go both ways and beat you. he was also like twice the college player levert was

keep in mind the Kidd/finals era kittles was a diminished post injury kittles too

Kittles was a better shooter, a + defender and fast as lightning but I don't recall his ball handling or passing being anything like LeVert's....

and yes by limited that always refers to post injury Kittles.

i mean he wasnt crossing dudes like iverson but he got to the rim going left or right and didnt turn it over much. solid passer too. and twice the athlete levert is, and levert is no slouch

at Nova and preinjury he was a BEAST

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if levert can be 3/4 of what kittles was in his prime, we will be very fortunate

[shakendfries]

if levert can be 3/4 of what kittles was in his prime, we will be very fortunate

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[Prokorov]

if levert can be 3/4 of what kittles was in his prime, we will be very fortunate

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Kittles in his prime was a 17/5/3/2 player who shot 42% from three and played All-NBA calibur defense

id be thrilled if levert became 3/4 of that.

[Ror1997]

again this was never anti crabbe. this was anti crabbe at all-star money

i like crabbe i like the fit. to me this is a criticism of marks not crabbe. if crabbe was making the MLE id be fine with it

I kind of look at it with Nicholson outgoing for the same 3 years or $13m net and for that he is worth it.

Or between him and Harris we have $20m at the SG position, which is fine for what we get. If he can be a top 5 3 point shooter, get to the line like he has and play D like he has, he is worth the contract to us. He's getting to the line over 4 times a game right now, which is great.

yeah i never buy that argument. maybe if crabbe and nicholson made the same amount where it evens out. but crabbe makes liek 13 million more then him. plus portland was in a bind. we bailed them out

you need to either get a first rounder or not do that deal

Washington needed to add a first to dump Nicholson. We just dumped a completely useless contract that we were doing nothing with and turned it into a useful player who we've been specifically targeting.

If the end goal was to get Crabbe, then the trade was amazing. If the end goal was to add a shooter, the trade was bad. Because with this trade, you're getting what you want (Crabbe) for 33% off. If you just want a shooter, you have it in Harris.

The end goal was to get Crabbe. So the trade itself is a great trade. I don't think that's up for debate. The investment is. But the transaction itself was great. Dumping dead money (Nicholson is in his prime and in China. There's no argument He's trash) and getting a useful player in return? I would rather pay another player an extra 12M then pay a player 6M to rack up DNP-CD every night.

You really have to take into consideration how we would've cleared Nicholsons roster spot if not for the Crabbe trade. You're either stretching him or you're adding Toronto's first into the deal to dump him.

Don't believe me? Look at how easy its been for Minny to dump Aldrich. Theyre dangling OKC's first and nobody is biting.