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Absurdly early 2018 NBA Draft Thread

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Post#181 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:01 pm

It's early, and I'm still drunk off the excitement of that first victory on opening night against Dallas.

But I can't help but think how even more effective our 5-out offensive strategy could be with a guy like Michael Porter, Jr at the PF spot. He's more athletic than Ersan/Muscala, and a much better shooter than Collins/Dedmon.

MPJ would feast on opposing bigs playing off to close out as Dennis Schroeder drives into the paint.

The 6' 10" sweet shooting forward is very much my top pick in the draft...

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Michael Porter Jr. (Missouri, SF/PF, Freshman)

No forward is more advanced around the perimeter than Michael Porter Jr. And it could give him an edge over every NCAA prospect since the NBA is a shooter's league.

Porter, a 6'10" combo forward, has three-point range and the ability to knock down difficult jumpers. He'll generate his fair share of offense inside 15 feet as well. Porter has good scoring instincts in the paint as well as the handle to attack and body control to convert tough runners.

He'll get his points this year at Missouri, but unless he surprises as a playmaker and defender, scouts will want to see those points translate to wins and an NCAA tournament appearance.
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Post#182 » by Spud2nique » Fri Oct 20, 2017 3:57 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:It's early, and I'm still drunk off the excitement of that first victory on opening night against Dallas.

But I can't help but think how even more effective our 5-out offensive strategy could be with a guy like Michael Porter, Jr at the PF spot. He's more athletic than Ersan/Muscala, and a much better shooter than Collins/Dedmon.

MPJ would feast on opposing bigs playing off to close out as Dennis Schroeder drives into the paint.

The 6' 10" sweet shooting forward is very much my top pick in the draft...

Spoiler:
Michael Porter Jr. (Missouri, SF/PF, Freshman)

No forward is more advanced around the perimeter than Michael Porter Jr. And it could give him an edge over every NCAA prospect since the NBA is a shooter's league.

Porter, a 6'10" combo forward, has three-point range and the ability to knock down difficult jumpers. He'll generate his fair share of offense inside 15 feet as well. Porter has good scoring instincts in the paint as well as the handle to attack and body control to convert tough runners.

He'll get his points this year at Missouri, but unless he surprises as a playmaker and defender, scouts will want to see those points translate to wins and an NCAA tournament appearance.
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Post#183 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Oct 24, 2017 2:20 pm

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Good for him, I hope he does.

[If] He stays for 2 years, he'll be a consensus #1 pick when he walks into the NBA.
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Post#184 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Oct 24, 2017 2:26 pm

A prospect for one of our 2nd round draft picks:
Alize Johnson (Missouri State, PF)

From junior college to All-Missouri Valley Conference first team to MVP of Adidas Nations, Johnson won't stop rising.

He's fascinating because of not only his journey but also his unique versatility. Johnson started high school as a 5'9" point guard. He's now a 6'9" combo forward who just averaged a double-double with 14.8 points and 10.6 rebounds.

A smooth athlete with wing-like mobility, he shows a strong motor and nose around the basket. But he can also handle the ball and initiate the offense (1.9 assists per game), as well as spot up off the ball, having sunk 40 threes at a 38.8 percent clip.

[Scouts] will want to see him play with more physicality in the post at both ends, as a scorer and defender. He tends to forget he's actually a big man and will settle for tough jumpers.


^Could this kid be our Draymond Green?



A candidate for one of the later 1st rounders:
Mikal Bridges (Villanova, SF, Junior)

Bridges is on the must-watch list for athleticism and effectiveness in key areas, specifically shooting and defense. They create a three-and-D floor and appealing foundation to build on.

He's already established himself as a compelling defensive prospect with quickness and tools that fuel versatility and playmaking (1.7 steals per game). But Bridges shot 39.3 percent from three last year and 91.1 percent from the free-throw line, leading to a terrific 67.6 true shooting percentage.

In between, Bridges works opportunistically, capitalizing (69.4 2P%) on the quality shots that find him as a slasher and cutter within the offense. Everything about his strengths, style and efficiency points to NBA role-player potential.


^Sounds like a Khris Middleton clone and Hawks University enrollee.

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Post#185 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Oct 24, 2017 3:01 pm

ATL Boy wrote:Losses like this sting but then I just think about a potential PF-C combo of John Collins and Deandre Ayton next year and...
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I don't know if that combo is workable...but, man I want to watch us try it out:

DeAndre Ayton is one heck of a physical specimen. He's 7'1" with what appears to be 250 pounds of 110 percent muscle. And while a Goliath with those attributes could make many millions by becoming a prolific dunker and little else, Ayton is a more-than-capable three-point shooter. When he gets into a groove, it's going to look like someone activated a cheat code.

Few young players in the country will be capable of hanging with Ayton...
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NOTE: It does alarm me that, approaching a draft overflowing with Center talent, we seem intent on playing Collins at Center.
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Post#186 » by macd-gm » Tue Oct 24, 2017 3:39 pm

Aren't we just playing Collins at center to hide his defensive deficiencies?
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Post#187 » by jayu70 » Tue Oct 24, 2017 5:03 pm

macd-gm wrote:Aren't we just playing Collins at center to hide his defensive deficiencies?

Or Moose has been so horrible at it - what else is there behind Dedmon. Collins can out quick a lot of centers but still lacks strength.
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Post#188 » by MaceCase » Tue Oct 24, 2017 5:14 pm

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That worked out so well for Harrison Barnes.
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Post#189 » by jayu70 » Tue Oct 24, 2017 5:16 pm

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That worked out so well for Harrison Barnes.

I'm sure it is said with the best of intentions but when they can realise a life long dream immediately and being a top pick, doesn't happen.
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Post#190 » by MaceCase » Tue Oct 24, 2017 5:37 pm

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That worked out so well for Harrison Barnes.

I'm sure it is said with the best of intentions but when they can realise a life long dream immediately and being a top pick, doesn't happen.

GMs will always be more enamored with the unknown than the known. Barnes was the consensus #1 even through a lackluster freshman season because GMs still saw potential, staying another year only solidified the holes that they saw in his game and he dropped.

It’s just easier to work your way up from obscurity but for guys that are already ranked high the only place to go is down. You can’t account for incoming classes’ talent, other players’ performances or even your own. If he’s still sitting at being ranked in the top 3 come June that can work his way to #1 based on who is picking and workouts yet still decides to stay......it will be a big gamble with very little payoff.
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Post#191 » by Jamaaliver » Wed Oct 25, 2017 1:18 pm

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Post#192 » by atlantabbq99 » Wed Oct 25, 2017 1:50 pm

I'm starting to be a big fan of DeAndre Ayton. He looks like he is in the same mold as KG, Anthony Davis, and Hakeem. After watching him, I'm kind of all in for the tank now...

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Post#193 » by Jamaaliver » Wed Oct 25, 2017 2:08 pm

atlantabbq99 wrote:I'm starting to be a big fan of DeAndre Ayton. He looks like he is in the same mold as KG, Anthony Davis, and Hakeem. After watching him, I'm kind of all in for the tank now...



What are your thoughts on how he would pair with Collins?

Is it a natural fit?
Would Collins need to adjust his game for the greater good?

Is Ayton such a talent, nothing else even matters?

NOTE: I've heard comparisons to David Robinson and Karl Anthony Towns, also. It's all really good company to be in.
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Post#194 » by MaceCase » Wed Oct 25, 2017 2:58 pm

Ayton has Robinson's frame and athleticism but I don't see him as being close to the defensive presence which isn't so much a knock on Ayton but a celebration of how good Robinson was. I don't see a full Towns comp either as he had more range to the effect of I think holding his high school's made 3 point record but Ayton certainly has a nice shooting stroke already to build on. I think Ayton and Collins mix well as they are both fluid athletes with a high level of skill, just imagine a young Mcdyess and Robinson together.
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Post#195 » by atlantabbq99 » Wed Oct 25, 2017 2:59 pm

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atlantabbq99 wrote:I'm starting to be a big fan of DeAndre Ayton. He looks like he is in the same mold as KG, Anthony Davis, and Hakeem. After watching him, I'm kind of all in for the tank now...



What are your thoughts on how he would pair with Collins?

Is it a natural fit?
Would Collins need to adjust his game for the greater good?

Is Ayton such a talent, nothing else even matters?

NOTE: I've heard comparisons to David Robinson and Karl Anthony Towns, also. It's all really good company to be in.



Is Ayton such a talent, nothing else even matters...

I'll be watching Arizona very closely this year. We will see if Ayton will have a similar freshmen year that Anthony Davis, Karl Anthony Towns, or Chris Bosh had in their freshmen year.
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Post#196 » by atlantabbq99 » Thu Oct 26, 2017 6:14 am

MaceCase wrote:Ayton has Robinson's frame and athleticism but I don't see him as being close to the defensive presence which isn't so much a knock on Ayton but a celebration of how good Robinson was. I don't see a full Towns comp either as he had more range to the effect of I think holding his high school's made 3 point record but Ayton certainly has a nice shooting stroke already to build on. I think Ayton and Collins mix well as they are both fluid athletes with a high level of skill, just imagine a young Mcdyess and Robinson together.


Ayton should be an elite defender in college, safe to say on the same level as Loren Woods. As for being an elite defender in the NBA, who knows if he could ever be on the same level as KG, Anthony Davis, or Hakeem. At worst case i'm comfortable to predict that Ayton could be a defensive player on the same level as Bosh or Webber in the NBA.

On the offensive end though, Ayton looks amazing. He looks just like KG in high school, with his quickness, control, balance, athleticism and awareness. It's not really fair of me to say this, and compare him to an all time great like Hakeems, but watching Ayton on the offensive end and his smoothness, just reminds me of Hakeems' smoothness.
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Post#197 » by Spud2nique » Thu Oct 26, 2017 7:14 am

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Just get a top 5 and I'm happy.
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Post#198 » by atlantabbq99 » Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:01 am

^ I would also add Wendell Carter to the list. He is #2 on my early board. He looks like a Budz' player. And pair perfectly with Collins. He is an above average athletic center with a jump shot. He kind of reminds me of DeMarcus Cousins in high school.
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Post#199 » by Spud2nique » Thu Oct 26, 2017 2:46 pm

atlantabbq99 wrote:^ I would also add Wendell Carter to the list. He is #2 on my early board. He looks like a Budz' player. And pair perfectly with Collins. He is an above average athletic center with a jump shot. He kind of reminds me of DeMarcus Cousins in high school.


Indeed...Also Bridges from Michigan State. I guess that makes it a top 7, but still love a top 5, top 3, top 2 pick. :-)

Ps Somebody here or some article somewhere they liked Wendell Carter to Al Horford? Is he more of a Horford or a Cousins?
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Post#200 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Oct 26, 2017 2:54 pm

atlantabbq99 wrote:On the offensive end though, Ayton looks amazing. He looks just like KG in high school, with his quickness, control, balance, athleticism and awareness. It's not really fair of me to say this, and compare him to an all time great like Hakeems, but watching Ayton on the offensive end and his smoothness, just reminds me of Hakeems' smoothness.




And he's only 19. He's the only true 2-way player IN THE TOP 5.

He's rumored to not be truly hungry and have a questionable work ethic. Those are the only reasons he isn't universally ranked #1.

Hopefully that changes at Arizona now that he's rated behind Bagley and the Euro kid.

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