Political Roundtable Part XV

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This stinks like rotten fish. Gotta be wired.

[stilldropin20]

And the Canadians and the Mexicans - why, because our politicians can't explain why it is beneficial for all parties.

http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/naftas-impact-u-s-economy-facts/

A some Google search can provide the benefits and drawbacks of NAFTA. One simple way to explain the benefits of NAFTA is to simply ask Americans if they want to pay more for everyday items like groceries and luxury items like cars. Ripping up a free trade agreement will have negative effects on every party and will hit those at the lowest income level the hardest. It won't bring back jobs either. NAFTA has been successful for Americans but it could be more successful if the people would stop voting in Republicans who only want to give tax cuts to the rich instead of redistributing the gains from free trade.

Just a reminder that R's supported legislation whereby approx. 45% of American households pay no income tax at all. I believe the EITC was an R idea. Seems to me the R's have been very good (tax wise) to lower income Americans. Not only do they not have to contribute via income taxes but millions of them receive cash payments from the treasury in the form of EITC. How can it possibly get any better for them? Any tax cuts by definition have to go to the middle class and the rich because they're the only ones paying them.

yeah, i've seen some stats where about 50% of the "budget" is borrowed. just debt. no one is paying it.

and of the remaining 50% of the budget that is "paid," 80% of that is paid for by the americans that earn between $65K and $140K.

anyone please feel free to put out the exact numbers, if I'm slightly off. its been a few years since i read the report on WSJ which was picked up by the times.

[Ruzious]

SD, you can't see the forest from the trees. He lied about what he said to the widow - even after Kelly sold his soul trying to excuse him. It's a completely narcissistic POS that you're defending. By the time you see the forest, it'll be gone. Seriously bro, I think you're lost.

recall that i take the position of defending the CIC and office of the president to further the discussion. someone has to do it so as resemble anything even be close to a fair discussion. i have no problem jumping ship. im a true independent. the country and the people in it is all that matters to me.

let me share another story. there is another 8 days left in the month and we just had the best month at my south side of chicago dental practice in terms of collections in the last 9 years. patients with urgent needs for nearly a decade finally have the money or credit to come take care of themselves again. i care far more about them than any political agenda. last month was our second best month in 9 years. and what we have scheduled in december looks to be the best month in 16 years. we might double our best month by far. I've hired 2 new people in the last 3 months and my current staff is all working full time after nearly a decade of 30 hours per week. so my inner city, south side of chicago practice is rapidly growing and almost strictly because the credit markets have opened back up. money has been unleashed again.

as an aside, the credit market began to open back up in 2016. a smudge. now they are open full throttle and it has finally been "felt" on the southside of chicago so that my dear patients can afford their medical/dental needs. and we're just talking co-pays and stuff insurance doesn't cover.

This kind of stuff matters to me soooooooooooo much more than how poorly an awkward president fumbles and already awkward and difficult phone call. it matters more to me than anything john kelly says or doesn't say. it matters more than any russian trump does or does deny a visa.

real people. real americans. in my neck of the woods. being able to afford their medical/dental needs. especially dental. because this tends to be the last thing people "do" for themselves. when they are getting their teeth fixed in the poorest of communities it is a GREAT sign! It means people are back to work. or have available credit and taking care of everything else. dentistry is always last. everything else first, then they come see us.

This matters most to me. My people. in my community. are doing well again. and have a few extra bucks in their pockets. Its been nearly a decade!!!!!!!

Bottom line: when the big bans have confidence in the economy they loosen the purse strings for all of us. more money is in circulation so to ease the exchange of goods and services. it's unfortunate to be at the mercy of the big banks as i've stated over and over for 60 pages. but it is what it is. the credit markets are open again. every day folks can take care of their needs which puts more and more people to work. which allows more and more people to take care of their needs.

These things "trump" all of this identity politics bull crap for me. these are the "first order" politics. getting people back to work. opening up the credit markets. getting more money back into U.S. circulation. after that, then i worry about how polished my politicians are and how good they are at lying to me. so i feel better about myself. dont ever forget that, folks. it's all a dog and pony show.

SD, he IS polished at what he does - he's a con man - plain and simple - not for the people - for himself and his family - nobody else - especially the "real people" that visit you. He's laughing his arse off at what he's doing to the "real people". There's no issue about whether or not he's polished. The issue is about honesty, transparency, unifying, other good things. He hasn't shown any f'n interest in any of those attributes. He's a carny boss who got elected president, and he has absolutely zero interest in you, me, or the people you care about. None. Zippy. And that's not ok in any scenario.

Oh, and I realize everything you said is BS. Hopefully, you do, too.

[stilldropin20]

In this particular phone call, a congresswomen drove around and hung around with this widow for what is reported is the complete 24 hour window for the time that the call was expected from the president.

Sorry, I haven't heard that allegation yet, and I just did a search and was unable to find any site, even extremist, partisan, FAKE NEWS site, featuring that allegation. You should know better than to post something that sounds so much like partisan FAKE NEWS without at least offering a link to the site so people can judge for themselves. Without that link, it just sounds like a a prefab bullet point from some partisan disinformation service. So get that link.

As to the rest of that long post, well...get that link. The future of America is hinging on that link. Get that link.

it was on a fox broadcast. charlie hurt followed up with this in wash times.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/oct/22/frederica-wilson-spat-shows-lack-of-sacred-respect/

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Bu bu bu drain the swamp! Trump can't be corrupted lol

[montestewart]

In this particular phone call, a congresswomen drove around and hung around with this widow for what is reported is the complete 24 hour window for the time that the call was expected from the president.

Sorry, I haven't heard that allegation yet, and I just did a search and was unable to find any site, even extremist, partisan, FAKE NEWS site, featuring that allegation. You should know better than to post something that sounds so much like partisan FAKE NEWS without at least offering a link to the site so people can judge for themselves. Without that link, it just sounds like a a prefab bullet point from some partisan disinformation service. So get that link.

As to the rest of that long post, well...get that link. The future of America is hinging on that link. Get that link.

it was on a fox broadcast. charlie hurt followed up with this in wash times.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/oct/22/frederica-wilson-spat-shows-lack-of-sacred-respect/

You can't offer a link to the source of the claim in question, and offer instead a link to an extended, ranting, top-to-bottom takedown of the relatively insignificant Rep. Wilson, the intense focus on which seems to serve merely to take the focus off of Trump's own actions which kicked this entire controversy into motion in the first place. And still, the link that supposedly "followed up" on the broadcast in no way supports the original assertion. It doesn't even mention anything of the kind. Facts, well they's just lacy silk candy over a citronella candle to the tune of Marian the Librarian. 2 lb. weights, nothing more.

[stilldropin20]

SD, you can't see the forest from the trees. He lied about what he said to the widow - even after Kelly sold his soul trying to excuse him. It's a completely narcissistic POS that you're defending. By the time you see the forest, it'll be gone. Seriously bro, I think you're lost.

recall that i take the position of defending the CIC and office of the president to further the discussion. someone has to do it so as resemble anything even be close to a fair discussion. i have no problem jumping ship. im a true independent. the country and the people in it is all that matters to me.

let me share another story. there is another 8 days left in the month and we just had the best month at my south side of chicago dental practice in terms of collections in the last 9 years. patients with urgent needs for nearly a decade finally have the money or credit to come take care of themselves again. i care far more about them than any political agenda. last month was our second best month in 9 years. and what we have scheduled in december looks to be the best month in 16 years. we might double our best month by far. I've hired 2 new people in the last 3 months and my current staff is all working full time after nearly a decade of 30 hours per week. so my inner city, south side of chicago practice is rapidly growing and almost strictly because the credit markets have opened back up. money has been unleashed again.

as an aside, the credit market began to open back up in 2016. a smudge. now they are open full throttle and it has finally been "felt" on the southside of chicago so that my dear patients can afford their medical/dental needs. and we're just talking co-pays and stuff insurance doesn't cover.

This kind of stuff matters to me soooooooooooo much more than how poorly an awkward president fumbles and already awkward and difficult phone call. it matters more to me than anything john kelly says or doesn't say. it matters more than any russian trump does or does deny a visa.

real people. real americans. in my neck of the woods. being able to afford their medical/dental needs. especially dental. because this tends to be the last thing people "do" for themselves. when they are getting their teeth fixed in the poorest of communities it is a GREAT sign! It means people are back to work. or have available credit and taking care of everything else. dentistry is always last. everything else first, then they come see us.

This matters most to me. My people. in my community. are doing well again. and have a few extra bucks in their pockets. Its been nearly a decade!!!!!!!

Bottom line: when the big bans have confidence in the economy they loosen the purse strings for all of us. more money is in circulation so to ease the exchange of goods and services. it's unfortunate to be at the mercy of the big banks as i've stated over and over for 60 pages. but it is what it is. the credit markets are open again. every day folks can take care of their needs which puts more and more people to work. which allows more and more people to take care of their needs.

These things "trump" all of this identity politics bull crap for me. these are the "first order" politics. getting people back to work. opening up the credit markets. getting more money back into U.S. circulation. after that, then i worry about how polished my politicians are and how good they are at lying to me. so i feel better about myself. dont ever forget that, folks. it's all a dog and pony show.

SD, he IS polished at what he does - he's a con man - plain and simple - not for the people - for himself and his family - nobody else - especially the "real people" that visit you. He's laughing his arse off at what he's doing to the "real people". There's no issue about whether or not he's polished. The issue is about honesty, transparency, unifying, other good things. He hasn't shown any f'n interest in any of those attributes. He's a carny boss who got elected president, and he has absolutely zero interest in you, me, or the people you care about. None. Zippy. And that's not ok in any scenario.

Oh, and I realize everything you said is BS. Hopefully, you do, too.

yeah...i dunno Ruz. i guess i just personally know too many politicians to pretend (to myself) that they care about any of us any more than trump does or doesn't. they are all self serving. every one of them. and calculating. and psychopaths. they have to be, especially at the top-of-the-food-chain, federal level. they all serve themselves.

so it doesn't even enter my stream of conscious how self serving trump is or isn't. thats par for the course to me.

I solely care about policies that affect me and my south side people. speaking of the south side. where i live and work blocks from obama's hyde park mansion, words cant express how surprised i was and still find myself that obama did't help us. more young kids are killing each other per capita blocks from where obama launched his presidential bid and he still hasn't done a thing about it. why did trump assign 20 more DEA and HSA agents? and not obama? Why is trump negotiating and has pledges from manufactures to bring jobs back to this area and not obama??? I mean, i live here. i work here. ive lost friends. my friends have lost jobs and not been able to find work. and thats changing now. and trump is trying to get the mayor to help make our streets safer but Rahm, a obama lackey, is fighting the president tooth and nail. all to save the sanctuary city status. which has also made this city more dangerous. and hurt the existing middle class americans born here as they lose jobs.

i'm not going to appologize for caring more about americans. my friends. my neighbors. my family. and i want politicians to do the same. and I'm part hispanic and part native american. so dont even go there with me. but i'm american first. so are my parents. so were my grandparents.

[Ruzious]

SD, if you go in with the assumption that all politicians are psychopaths, you've already lost. Maybe that's why you're messed up.

[DCZards]

yeah...i dunno Ruz. i guess i just personally know too many politicians to pretend (to myself) that they care about any of us any more than trump does or doesn't. they are all self serving. every one of them. and calculating. and psychopaths. they have to be, especially at the top-of-the-food-chain, federal level. they all serve themselves.

so it doesn't even enter my stream of conscious how self serving trump is or isn't. thats par for the course to me.

I solely care about policies that affect me and my south side people. speaking of the south side. where i live and work blocks from obama's hyde park mansion, words cant express how surprised i was and still find myself that obama did't help us. more young kids are killing each other per capita blocks from where obama launched his presidential bid and he still hasn't done a thing about it.

Why is trump negotiating and has pledges from manufactures to bring jobs back to this area and not obama??? I mean, i live here. i work here. ive lost friends. my friends have lost jobs and not been able to find work. and thats changing now. and trump is trying to get the mayor to help make our streets safer but Rahm, a obama lackey, is fighting the president tooth and nail. all to save the sanctuary city status. which has also made this city more dangerous. and hurt the existing middle class americans born here as they lose jobs.

i'm not going to appologize for caring more about americans. my friends. my neighbors. my family. and i want politicians to do the same. and I'm part hispanic and part native american. so dont even go there with me. but i'm american first. so are my parents. so were my grandparents.

Hey SD20, have you ever considered that many of those low-income south siders that you care so much about probably have healthcare coverage (maybe for the first time in their lives) solely because of Obamacare? Oh, that's right, your boy Trump wants to end the subsidies that these men and women receive in order to pay for that coverage.

And "pledges" to bring back manufacturing jobs don't mean squat. Call me when those jobs actually return. As far I'm concerned, Trump's promises (or lies) to bring manufacturing jobs back in significant numbers are just about as realistic as his "Mexico is going to pay for the wall" nonsense.

[Pointgod]

SD, if you go in with the assumption that all politicians are psychopaths, you've already lost. Maybe that's why you're messed up.

I've noticed that alot of nihilists have this almost pathological support for Trump. It's also Bannons worldview that everything sucks and needs to be burned down. These types seem to always belong to a certain demographic( I'll let you figure it out) which allows them to willfully ignore the real harm that Trump and Republicans cause.

[cammac]

Trump surpassed expectations what a guy who can stop him the Wilt Chamberlain of politicians think a hundred could be in site. GOAT

The president uttered 57 — 57! — false claims from Monday through Sunday. His astonishing output shattered his old record for most false claims in a week in office, 40, which he had set just three weeks prior.

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/10/24/daniel-dales-donald-trump-fact-check-updates.html

[dckingsfan]

SD, if you go in with the assumption that all politicians are psychopaths, you've already lost. Maybe that's why you're messed up.

I think if you change psychopath to weak self-serving narcissist - then it might be pretty close? And some politicians (Trump) are worse than others.

I added the "weak" because there must be some reason that they constantly kick the ball to the future rather than actually deal with the cause of the problems...

[Wizardspride]

The narrative in conservative world seems to be that Congresswoman Wilson was just some random who attached herself to the Johnson family in an attempt to "get Trump".

Seems like they aren't aware that the congresswoman had been a close family friend for years and that's why she was with them when the call came through.

[montestewart]

The narrative in conservative world seems to be that Congresswoman Wilson was just some random who attached herself to the Johnson family in an attempt to "get Trump".

Seems like they aren't aware that the congresswoman had been a close family friend for years and that's why she was with them when the call came through.

If only by sheer volume, the current Republican perspective is the most fiction-filled narrative in US history, with nothing but an ideological prism serving as a truth detector.

Repub FAKE NEWS facebook page has Johnson widow condemning Rep. Wilson, and that will be the official story from now on, regardless of Johnson's own dismissal of page as FAKE NEWS.

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[Pointgod]

The narrative in conservative world seems to be that Congresswoman Wilson was just some random who attached herself to the Johnson family in an attempt to "get Trump".

Seems like they aren't aware that the congresswoman had been a close family friend for years and that's why she was with them when the call came through.

Oh they are aware but the Conservative media doesn't care about the truth, just attack attack and hate on Democrats. It's I find it hypocritical when Conservatives produce think pieces about how the country is too divided and people need to understand Trump voters but fail to acknowledge that Fox News, Breitbart and the Limbaughs of the world are the most poisonous institutions in the country. If Republicans were serious about uniting the country they would apologize for the 8 years of divisiveness and political dickery they pulled with Obama, they're too craven and beholden to Fox News.

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