GT #3: Wizards @ Nuggets 9 PM (NBCSW/1500 AM)

[Illmatic12]

Obviously it's a small sample size but is it safe to say Oubre is making the leap?

I hope Oubre can keep it up, his wins share per 48 through 3 games is .111. In Porter's 3rd season , his win share per 48 was .119.

KO just needs to string together 5-10 good games in a row , and build from there. He's always played well when he's had the opportunity to be in the starting lineup, due to injuries or whatever else (even his rookie year, I remember Oubre performing well as a spot starter for Otto in a few games)

A few instances stood out that showed how he's developed. There was a play where he dribbled up the wing in secondary transition, sized up his defender, and then made a strong drive & finish with his RIGHT hand. Another where he got ran off the 3pt line , dribbled in and swished a baseline two. It seems like he's learning from Otto how to score within the flow of the offense, but also utilizing his own natural athleticism.

[Rafael122]

Watching Oubre play makes me shake my head and wonder why Witt never gave him any burn his rookie year. Maybe if Oubre showed enough in his first two years they would have thought twice about giving Porter max money, or maybe Oubre would be further along than he is now. I'm just glad we have a coaching staff that preaches development.

[NatP4]

Oubre was also horrible at basketball in his rookie year when he did play lol

[Kanyewest]

Watching Oubre play makes me shake my head and wonder why Witt never gave him any burn his rookie year. Maybe if Oubre showed enough in his first two years they would have thought twice about giving Porter max money, or maybe Oubre would be further along than he is now. I'm just glad we have a coaching staff that preaches development.

Oubre got 10 minutes per game in his rookie season which isn't terrible considering that the Wizards had Temple/Dudley on a team that was trying to win, and he was very raw as a 19 year old rookie. I bet Brooks would have played Temple over Oubre last season if he was still on the Wizards.

Still, I agree that Brooks has done a better job developing Beal and Porter than Wittman. Porter over the past few games is playing like a max level player.


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[Rafael122]

Oubre was also horrible at basketball in his rookie year when he did play lol

But keep playing him, regardless if he sucks. He can't get worse right? He's always had the tools, but never got the playing time. And we traded up and traded 2 2nd round picks just to get him.

[zero2hero]

I hate to stick up for Mahinmi, he’s old, foul prone, injury prone, and overpaid, but he hasn’t exactly been a bad player in the very early goings of the season. Go check out his advanced stats on basketball ref dot com if you don’t believe me. I know these low skill, plodding centers can be frustrating to watch, but there is a reason they get paid, even in this era of spacing and efficiency, and that’s there impact on defense.


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Agreed. I think he's going to surprise us as the season goes on, like Jason Smith did last year, and become a valuable contributor and defensive stalwart for our second unit.

[bsilver]

We gotta do something about the PG position. We keep running non nba players at that position.

Funny time to be writing that.... Frazier had a tremendous outing last night.

Turned 4 shot attempts & 3FTAs into 10 points.
Had 2 steals & an offensive rebound while not turning the ball over even once.
Got 3 assists.

All that in 14 minutes. He did commit 4 fouls. But, in all, if every night was last night for Tim Frazier, I'd say he was quite a bargain at $2m! So far, however, every night is not like last night for Tim!

Frazier made Mudiay look like a star. 15 points in 19 minutes. Kara Lawson brought it up at least twice, and you could see Frazier getting lectured by a Wizard assistant coach.

Not a big sample, but we see the same scenario each game. Frazier comes in and the opposition PG becomes the focus of the offense, knowing there are 3 good options. Blow right by, post up, or shoot over top. Best thing you can say is that he manages to take the other team out of their offense.

[tontoz]

With bojan gone and Morris/Smith hurt it is sink or swim time for KO. If he steps up that will make a big difference this season. He is one of the few, if not only, bench players who actually has the talent to be good.

[NatP4]

Oubre was also horrible at basketball in his rookie year when he did play lol

But keep playing him, regardless if he sucks. He can't get worse right? He's always had the tools, but never got the playing time. And we traded up and traded 2 2nd round picks just to get him.

Yeah I agree, the team was just trying to win like you said. Oubre didn’t help much.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

The Wizards played much better defense against the Nuggets than in their previous two games but I do wonder how much of that was Denver's ineptness on that end and how much of it was the Wizards.

Brooks continued with his adjustment from the second half of the Pistons game and did a decent job staggering starters with the bench unit.

What hasn't changed unfortunately is that the outcome was much closer than it really should have been. Washington did poorly on 50-50 balls, turned stops into 2nd chance points of the Nuggets because of their inability to secure rebounds they were in position for and had way too many careless turnovers that led to easy points in transition.

The good thing, Washington hasn't really had a complete game yet and I'm convinced that last year the Wizards likely would have dropped at least one of those games so far if not two.

Oubre's contribution has been great, Porter is playing extremely well and Wall and Beal have been getting to the line much more frequently than in previous seasons.

I've had a feeling that the Wizards would be in play for the top seed in the East early on in the season with the roster changes that both the Cavs and Celtics have to deal with.

A win on Wednesday and perhaps the Wizards steal one in the bay.

Morris being out has been a blessing to both Porter and Oubre.

Otto is getting a volume of shots that I don't believe he would have if Morris were playing.

Kelly is getting a lot of minutes and he is playing really well.



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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Obviously it's a small sample size but is it safe to say Oubre is making the leap?

Yes. So is Porter.

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[payitforward]

..."Possessions" don't come automatically except after the other team scores.

or it they turn the ball over or they miss a shot and the team is able to secure a defensive rebound.

Well, no.... You get a possession "automatically" after a made basket. Every other possession you create by your good play (or the opponent gives you by their bad play). So that this...

You can't create extra possessions in Basketball. Offensive rebounds only extend existing possessions. Turnovers end them, same with free throws.

...is ridiculous. Even if you prefer to view an offensive rebound as extending a possession rather than creating a new one, a turnover certainly creates a new possession -- for the other team! & a steal creates a new one for your own team. That's why your link exists:

https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/possessions-per-game

The above stat can literally be substituted with what we call "Pace".

&, no, it cannot it cannot be substituted with pace! Neither literally nor any other way -- if my team plays "fast" that may make extra possessions for the other team as easily as for my own!

There are only 2 factors that directly cause wins & losses: TS% of the two teams & number of shots/FTAs of the 2 teams. If you have a lower TS% than your opponent, as we did last night, then you can only win by having more shots/FTAs than your opponent, as we did last night.

To take a shot you have to possess the ball; it has to be in your hands. The ball was in our hands more often last night than it was in the hands of the Nuggets.

This, on the other hand,...

...Satoransky turned the ball over for nearly 20% of the possessions that he was credited as using for the Wizards. You would normally expect those numbers from someone running point, not a wing (league average for TOV% was 12.7 last year).

...is fair enough; he didn't turn it over all that much, but you can't really assess that w/o asking how many opportunities he had to turn it over.

[payitforward]

We gotta do something about the PG position. We keep running non nba players at that position.

Funny time to be writing that.... Frazier had a tremendous outing last night.

Turned 4 shot attempts & 3FTAs into 10 points.
Had 2 steals & an offensive rebound while not turning the ball over even once.
Got 3 assists.

All that in 14 minutes. He did commit 4 fouls. But, in all, if every night was last night for Tim Frazier, I'd say he was quite a bargain at $2m! So far, however, every night is not like last night for Tim!

PIF, I know you just said you didn't watch the game but Frazier also gave up 4 or 5 easy layups to Mudiay and wasted a sold number of possessions dribbling the air out of the ball and passing it to a covered big at the end of the shot clock. He was bad.

I wasn't able to watch it, no.

Those things certainly sound bad.

But, was shooting 3-4, including a 3-pointer, bad?

How about getting to the line 3 times in 14 minutes & making all of them -- was that bad?

& 3 assists, 2 steals & no TOs, plus an offensive rebound -- are those things good or bad?

I'm no apologist for Tim Frazier! I didn't like the trade for him, & I've said so repeatedly. But that was a heck of a lot he got done in 14 minutes!!

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Obviously it's a small sample size but is it safe to say Oubre is making the leap?

I hope Oubre can keep it up, his wins share per 48 through 3 games is .111. In Porter's 3rd season , his win share per 48 was .119.

No assumption is safe when the sample size is 3 games.

I'm assuming Ben Simmons is going to be a superstar barring injury.

[Wizardspride]

I hope Oubre can keep it up, his wins share per 48 through 3 games is .111. In Porter's 3rd season , his win share per 48 was .119.

No assumption is safe when the sample size is 3 games.

I'm assuming Ben Simmons is going to be a superstar barring injury.

Simmons reminds me of a more athletic Lamar Odom.

But without Lamar's jumpshot...at least for now.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

for those who didn't see what happened:

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Thanks. I was watching the Denver feed and they never really explained why Jokic got a technical. What an idiot. I wonder if Scott Brooks was trolling him at some point.

Not 100% sure that was intentional.

Brooks sold it like Ronaldo, however.

I'm not sure, either.

At first, I thought for sure Brooks flopped. Jokic is so tall that Brooks isn't even in his field of view. Brooks definitely sold the bump.

The more I watch it, the more I think Jokic did "big boy" Scott Brooks on purpose. He puts his head down and I think it was done to act non chalant. I THINK Jokic could have avoided Brooks ... but I'm not sure.

I don't think it should have been a technical either way. Good on Brooks for being naturally feisty.

[dangermouse]

But, was shooting 3-4, including a 3-pointer, bad?

It was a deep buzzer-beater in the 1st. He got a good look because the defense overplayed the inbounds pass. It wasnt your regular 3 pointer in the flow of the offense. I mean it was impressive, but like all buzzer beaters from half court it was a real hail mary. There was luck involved.

I actually thought Sato played better, all in all, and should have been given more minutes as he clearly earned them, even if it was at SG/SF.

[dangermouse]

I haven't watched much Denver/Jokic. They are a deep team and finally have someone you could consider a true star player. Dude is a fantastic passer with a real feel for where his team mates are. Like a cross between Vlade Divac and Kevin Love.

[dangermouse]

No assumption is safe when the sample size is 3 games.

I'm assuming Ben Simmons is going to be a superstar barring injury.

Simmons reminds me of a more athletic Lamar Odom.

But without Lamar's jumpshot...at least for now.

Way better court vision, handle and instincts than Odom. He could play PG imo, but i wouldnt run Lamar at point. Magic Johnson seems too lofty of a comparison but I cant think of anyone at his size that has the same vision, handle and court awareness.

I think Greek Freak is more like Lamar.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I haven't watched much Denver/Jokic. They are a deep team and finally have someone you could consider a true star player. Dude is a fantastic passer with a real feel for where his team mates are. Like a cross between Vlade Divac and Kevin Love.

I'm assuming Ben Simmons is going to be a superstar barring injury.

Simmons reminds me of a more athletic Lamar Odom.

But without Lamar's jumpshot...at least for now.

Way better court vision, handle and instincts than Odom. He could play PG imo, but i wouldnt run Lamar at point. Magic Johnson seems too lofty of a comparison but I cant think of anyone at his size that has the same vision, handle and court awareness.

I think Greek Freak is more like Lamar.

Bump. Dm knew