The Official Allen Crabbe Thread

[Prokorov]

Washington needed to add a first to dump Nicholson.

Exactly... washington had to give up a first to dump nicholson....

Crabbe is a much much much worst contract, yet portland didnt have to give us any picks to dump him.

thats a poor job not extracting a pick.

[Ror1997]

Washington needed to add a first to dump Nicholson.

Exactly... washington had to give up a first to dump nicholson....

Crabbe is a much much much worst contract, yet portland didnt have to give us any picks to dump him.

thats a poor job not extracting a pick.

So how would we have dumped Nicholson then? Serious question. You want to stretch him and add dead money to the cap? How do you dump Nicholson?

[Prokorov]

Washington needed to add a first to dump Nicholson.

Exactly... washington had to give up a first to dump nicholson....

Crabbe is a much much much worst contract, yet portland didnt have to give us any picks to dump him.

thats a poor job not extracting a pick.

So how would we have dumped Nicholson then? Serious question. You want to stretch him and add dead money to the cap? How do you dump Nicholson?

Why would we need to dump him?

we were 24-26 million dollars under the cap, enough for a max contract if we needed it

[Ror1997]

Exactly... washington had to give up a first to dump nicholson....

Crabbe is a much much much worst contract, yet portland didnt have to give us any picks to dump him.

thats a poor job not extracting a pick.

So how would we have dumped Nicholson then? Serious question. You want to stretch him and add dead money to the cap? How do you dump Nicholson?

Why would we need to dump him?

we were 24-26 million dollars under the cap, enough for a max contract if we needed it

We put his roster spot to good use and we're STILL in need of another roster spot. What do you mean "why do we need to dump him"? I dont know how you can even say that with a straight face.

Your main problem with Crabbe is his salary. Yet you would be willing to pay 18M a year to a guys who will average 70 DNP over the next 3 years? Doesn't add up.

[Prokorov]

What do you mean "why do we need to dump him"? I dont know how you can even say that with a straight face.

I mean, literally, why do you need to dump him?

-we wouldnt need the cap space. he costs 6 million and we would have 26 million in cap space
-we woudlnt need the roster spot. as it is we have actively players not in the rotation

Your main problem with Crabbe is his salary. Yet you would be willing to pay 18M a year to a guys who will average 70 DNP over the next 3 years? Doesn't add up.

id rather pay someone 18 million to be inactive then pay someone 60 million to be a 6th man. having a small bad contract in our situation really doesnt hurt us at all. it would be one thing if we needed cap space but we had max cap room

[Ror1997]

What do you mean "why do we need to dump him"? I dont know how you can even say that with a straight face.

I mean, literally, why do you need to dump him?

-we wouldnt need the cap space. he costs 6 million and we would have 26 million in cap space
-we woudlnt need the roster spot. as it is we have actively players not in the rotation

Your main problem with Crabbe is his salary. Yet you would be willing to pay 18M a year to a guys who will average 70 DNP over the next 3 years? Doesn't add up.

id rather pay someone 18 million to be inactive then pay someone 60 million to be a 6th man. having a small bad contract in our situation really doesnt hurt us at all. it would be one thing if we needed cap space but we had max cap room

I can't take you seriously if you can't even admit that dumping Nicholson was a necessary move. I definitely cant take your "Cap Space is key" stance seriously if you can pretend 3/18 of complete dead money isn't a problem. FFS Prok.

[Ror1997]

When Crabbe isn't hitting shots like he was tonight, you pull him asap and go to Harris. That's why you have shooting depth.

[Prokorov]

I can't take you seriously if you can't even admit that dumping Nicholson was a necessary move.

If it is so obvious why we NEEDED to move Nicholson then why are you having so much trouble explaining that reason? Would it be nice to move nicholson without giving up much if you can? sure. but there really was no neccessity to move him.

look at the salaries around the league 25 of 30 teams have a guy who makes 4- 6million who doesnt contribute. those are not killers. you want to avoid them, but its not like a mozgov or a miles plumlee 15 million dollar deal that really effects the cap.

I definitely cant take your "Cap Space is key" stance seriously if you can pretend 3/18 of complete dead money isn't a problem. FFS Prok.

It isnt a problem! and thats not my opinion, it is a fact!

Prior to the crabbe trade we had:

26 Million in cap room in 17-18
32 million in cap room for 18-19

Thats MAX cap room. So tell me, if we had max cap room this year and moving forward prior to the crabbe trade with Nicholson on the roster, then why is it so critical to move him? What move did having nicholsons 6 million pevent us from making now or in the future?

With Crabbes deal, we are less then the MLE under the cap. our ability to absorb salary is extremely limited should another opportunity like d'angelo russell present itself. We are pushed close to or over the cap if we decide to bring back Lin and Extend Russell/RHJ in the offseason.


Nicholson made 6 million a year. lets stop pretending he was making Joe Johnson money

[MrDollarBills]

When Crabbe isn't hitting shots like he was tonight, you pull him asap and go to Harris. That's why you have shooting depth.

Crabbe is the highest paid player on the team. no reason to pull him, he has to work through these moments.

[Ror1997]

When Crabbe isn't hitting shots like he was tonight, you pull him asap and go to Harris. That's why you have shooting depth.

Crabbe is the highest paid player on the team. no reason to pull him, he has to work through these moments.

Salary has nothing to do with winning games though.

You have 42 minutes to let crabbe work through his issues. But if you're in a position to win in those last 6 minutes you go for the win. That means for those 6 minutes you don't need Crabbe out there expanding his game. You need him out there hitting 3's. And if its obvious his shot is off then you need to go to whoever is next on the list.

Listen man. I'm all for Crabbe going out there and shooting 4/13 on nights. I know what the end goal with Crabbe is and I know it won't be until year 3 or 4 of his contract when we see the investment start to pay off. But if we can win the game and Crabbe is hurting you.... I don't care how much money he makes. Money cant buy wins. Playing better basketball buys wins. If Crabbe isn't shooting well then you take him out.

[Prokorov]

Salary has nothing to do with winning games though.

No it doesnt... but winning isnt th #1 priority is. and when you pay someone 19 million a year based on potential, there is a big priority on doing what you can to develop him.

From what we saw last year Markinson believes heavily in letting young guys play through struggles, even if it may sacrafice some winning

these guys all play 110% for kenny because kenny shows that condidence in them. you dont want to mess with that

[Ror1997]

Salary has nothing to do with winning games though.

No it doesnt... but winning isnt th #1 priority is. and when you pay someone 19 million a year based on potential, there is a big priority on doing what you can to develop him.

From what we saw last year Markinson believes heavily in letting young guys play through struggles, even if it may sacrafice some winning

these guys all play 110% for kenny because kenny shows that condidence in them. you dont want to mess with that

Just because winning isn't a priority doesn't mean you can't go for the win when the opportunity presents itself.

[Prokorov]

Salary has nothing to do with winning games though.

No it doesnt... but winning isnt th #1 priority is. and when you pay someone 19 million a year based on potential, there is a big priority on doing what you can to develop him.

From what we saw last year Markinson believes heavily in letting young guys play through struggles, even if it may sacrafice some winning

these guys all play 110% for kenny because kenny shows that condidence in them. you dont want to mess with that

Just because winning isn't a priority doesn't mean you can't go for the win when the opportunity presents itself.

you could. i wouldnt value that over letting a player try and overcome struggles down the stretch. i think there is more developmental value there then in a win.

[kamaze]

id rather pay someone 18 million to be inactive then pay someone 60 million to be a 6th man. having a small bad contract in our situation really doesnt hurt us at all. it would be one thing if we needed cap space but we had max cap room

He's on a minutes restriction they're taking it slow, KA said he expects Crabbe to play 30 minutes eventually...
Crabbe was starting but in talking to the coach said he'd be better coming off the bench with the minutes he's playing. Does it matter who starts anyway?

Prok do you want to be right about your opinion and them have a losing record or be proven wrong and them have a winning record? Seriously I'm curious.

[kamaze]

The best shooter we've had since Anthony Morrow! He's a sniper used as a weapon that teams have to acknowledge.
Joe Johnson scored more but he used his size to play bully ball in the post.

[Prokorov]

id rather pay someone 18 million to be inactive then pay someone 60 million to be a 6th man. having a small bad contract in our situation really doesnt hurt us at all. it would be one thing if we needed cap space but we had max cap room

He's on a minutes restriction they're taking it slow, KA said he expects Crabbe to play 30 minutes eventually...
Crabbe was starting but in talking to the coach said he'd be better coming off the bench with the minutes he's playing. Does it matter who starts anyway?

Prok do you want to be right about your opinion and them have a losing record or be proven wrong and them have a winning record? Seriously I'm curious.

flip through the game threads and this awnser is obvious.

id never root against us. being right means nothing.

[shakendfries]

can somebody tell me why the hell marks paid crabbe???? if you're getting paid $75m & coming off the bench, you better come in the game with a fire under your ass demanding the ball like Shaq cause you know it's going in if it leaves your hand

[SpeedyG]

can somebody tell me why the hell marks paid crabbe???? if you're getting paid $75m & coming off the bench, you better come in the game with a fire under your ass demanding the ball like Shaq cause you know it's going in if it leaves your hand

His shot has been off and hasn't found his rhythm. But he defended his butt off tonight.

[Curns13]

can somebody tell me why the hell marks paid crabbe???? if you're getting paid $75m & coming off the bench, you better come in the game with a fire under your ass demanding the ball like Shaq cause you know it's going in if it leaves your hand

He needs other the create for him and that just isn’t happening right now. Kenny needs to study hours of Clippers sets to see how JJ got his looks.

[TinmanZBoy]

can somebody tell me why the hell marks paid crabbe???? if you're getting paid $75m & coming off the bench, you better come in the game with a fire under your ass demanding the ball like Shaq cause you know it's going in if it leaves your hand

His shot has been off and hasn't found his rhythm. But he defended his butt off tonight.

this... sooner or later, his shots will fall, the effort on d is commended...