Player of the Day: Andre Roberson

[Atomic Punk]

If Presti decides to move Andre at the deadline, what realistic players could we that make us better? Marcus smart?

I'm gonna kill myself laughing if he somehow manages to get Eric Bledsoe.

There is virtually no way to make salaries work unless they want Singler. I know Presti has done the impossible but this seems like the most unlikely. Especially since we can’t trade Andre yet.

I will say this for Presti, he has shown himself to be opportunistic trader. The Suns are in a tough spot, everyone knows Bledsoe is on the way out, they can’t afford to keep him around and can’t afford long term distractions. This drives his trade value down since everyone is aware of this. Sound like a familiar scenario?

[ThunderBolt]

I'm gonna kill myself laughing if he somehow manages to get Eric Bledsoe.

There is virtually no way to make salaries work unless they want Singler. I know Presti has done the impossible but this seems like the most unlikely. Especially since we can’t trade Andre yet.

I will say this for Presti, he has shown himself to be opportunistic trader. The Suns are in a tough spot, everyone knows Bledsoe is on the way out, they can’t afford to keep him around and can’t afford long term distractions. This drives his trade value down since everyone is aware of this. Sound like a familiar scenario?

Regardless, the money still has to add up. The only player we have close to that is Andre and he can’t be traded yet. Even Andre by himself wouldn’t be enough.

[Andre Roberstan]

There is virtually no way to make salaries work unless they want Singler. I know Presti has done the impossible but this seems like the most unlikely. Especially since we can’t trade Andre yet.

I will say this for Presti, he has shown himself to be opportunistic trader. The Suns are in a tough spot, everyone knows Bledsoe is on the way out, they can’t afford to keep him around and can’t afford long term distractions. This drives his trade value down since everyone is aware of this. Sound like a familiar scenario?

Regardless, the money still has to add up. The only player we have close to that is Andre and he can’t be traded yet. Even Andre by himself wouldn’t be enough.

Singler/Abrines/Ferguson works.

I don't think it would happen, but in the off chance it did...

You could start Westbrook/Bledsoe/George/Anthony/Adams, then run a staggered bench of Felton/Bledsoe/Anthony/Patterson/(center to be picked up later). I think you could go 10 or 11 deep in the playoffs if Huestis is playable. Gives you a lot of flexibility. Bledsoe's 3pt% doesn't look great because of his pullups but his Synergy spot-up numbers are very good.

[Atomic Punk]

I will say this for Presti, he has shown himself to be opportunistic trader. The Suns are in a tough spot, everyone knows Bledsoe is on the way out, they can’t afford to keep him around and can’t afford long term distractions. This drives his trade value down since everyone is aware of this. Sound like a familiar scenario?

Regardless, the money still has to add up. The only player we have close to that is Andre and he can’t be traded yet. Even Andre by himself wouldn’t be enough.

Singler/Abrines/Ferguson works.

I don't think it would happen, but in the off chance it did...

You could start Westbrook/Bledsoe/George/Anthony/Adams, then run a staggered bench of Felton/Bledsoe/Anthony/Patterson/(center to be picked up later). I think you could go 10 or 11 deep in the playoffs if Huestis is playable. Gives you a lot of flexibility. Bledsoe's 3pt% doesn't look great because of his pullups but his Synergy spot-up numbers are very good.

Where does Roberson fit in this scenario? How long is Bledsoe signed for?

[Atomic Punk]

There is virtually no way to make salaries work unless they want Singler. I know Presti has done the impossible but this seems like the most unlikely. Especially since we can’t trade Andre yet.

I will say this for Presti, he has shown himself to be opportunistic trader. The Suns are in a tough spot, everyone knows Bledsoe is on the way out, they can’t afford to keep him around and can’t afford long term distractions. This drives his trade value down since everyone is aware of this. Sound like a familiar scenario?

Regardless, the money still has to add up. The only player we have close to that is Andre and he can’t be traded yet. Even Andre by himself wouldn’t be enough.

Oh, it is a long shot on many levels. I just wouldn’t put it past Presti to get it done if that was the direction he wanted to go in.

[ThunderBolt]

I will say this for Presti, he has shown himself to be opportunistic trader. The Suns are in a tough spot, everyone knows Bledsoe is on the way out, they can’t afford to keep him around and can’t afford long term distractions. This drives his trade value down since everyone is aware of this. Sound like a familiar scenario?

Regardless, the money still has to add up. The only player we have close to that is Andre and he can’t be traded yet. Even Andre by himself wouldn’t be enough.

Singler/Abrines/Ferguson works.

I don't think it would happen, but in the off chance it did...

You could start Westbrook/Bledsoe/George/Anthony/Adams, then run a staggered bench of Felton/Bledsoe/Anthony/Patterson/(center to be picked up later). I think you could go 10 or 11 deep in the playoffs if Huestis is playable. Gives you a lot of flexibility. Bledsoe's 3pt% doesn't look great because of his pullups but his Synergy spot-up numbers are very good.

Probably one of singler/Ferguson is canceled out by singler. Or their value is seriously lowered at best.

[Andre Roberstan]

Regardless, the money still has to add up. The only player we have close to that is Andre and he can’t be traded yet. Even Andre by himself wouldn’t be enough.

Singler/Abrines/Ferguson works.

I don't think it would happen, but in the off chance it did...

You could start Westbrook/Bledsoe/George/Anthony/Adams, then run a staggered bench of Felton/Bledsoe/Anthony/Patterson/(center to be picked up later). I think you could go 10 or 11 deep in the playoffs if Huestis is playable. Gives you a lot of flexibility. Bledsoe's 3pt% doesn't look great because of his pullups but his Synergy spot-up numbers are very good.

Where does Roberson fit in this scenario? How long is Bledsoe signed for?

Maybe move Felton and keep Roberson as the bench SG. Bled/Robes/Anthony/Patterson/C

[Atomic Punk]

Singler/Abrines/Ferguson works.

I don't think it would happen, but in the off chance it did...

You could start Westbrook/Bledsoe/George/Anthony/Adams, then run a staggered bench of Felton/Bledsoe/Anthony/Patterson/(center to be picked up later). I think you could go 10 or 11 deep in the playoffs if Huestis is playable. Gives you a lot of flexibility. Bledsoe's 3pt% doesn't look great because of his pullups but his Synergy spot-up numbers are very good.

Where does Roberson fit in this scenario? How long is Bledsoe signed for?

Maybe move Felton and keep Roberson as the bench SG. Bled/Robes/Anthony/Patterson/C

Hmm, interesting, I would actually like to see Felton remain. This is an all in year though, so I say make whatever moves are necessary.

[Andre Roberstan]

Where does Roberson fit in this scenario? How long is Bledsoe signed for?

Maybe move Felton and keep Roberson as the bench SG. Bled/Robes/Anthony/Patterson/C

Hmm, interesting, I would actually like to see Felton remain. This is an all in year though, so I say make whatever moves are necessary.

I'd rather have him stay too, but as a courtesy so he could get play time they might let him move on if they did that.

Or Roberson might get moved.

This is all incredibly pie-in-the-sky hypothetical though.

[slick_watts]

dre is on a nice value contract that we shouldn't trade. trading for smart sounds ok on paper but smart might earn 2x what dre does by next season.

[ThunderBolt]

dre is on a nice value contract that we shouldn't trade. trading for smart sounds ok on paper but smart might earn 2x what dre does by next season.

What precedent is there for that?

[slick_watts]

dre is on a nice value contract that we shouldn't trade. trading for smart sounds ok on paper but smart might earn 2x what dre does by next season.

What precedent is there for that?

for what?

[ThunderBolt]

dre is on a nice value contract that we shouldn't trade. trading for smart sounds ok on paper but smart might earn 2x what dre does by next season.

What precedent is there for that?

for what?

Why do you think smart will get double what Roberson got? He has a limited offensiven skill set.

[Kizz Fastfists]

I don't think Smart gets double what Roberson got. Something similar per year, but a year longer like 4yr/$45M seems about right for a quality backup PG in RFA that can't shoot 3s. He might end up getting less than the $10M/yr that Roberson got depending on how soft the market is with the flat cap and teams valuing offense more right now. Livingston only got $8M/yr and is similar to Smart, although older.

[sleestak33]

I will just ask you this simple question...if they are paying Roberson 10 million a year to be a defensive stopper and obviously that's the ONLY reason he starts and is playing that much should we not expect him to hold opposing players under their normal season scoring averages?

did you read the post? counterpart defense is not the 'only' reason he is playing that much. andre roberson's defensive impact clearly goes beyond just what his counterpart is doing.

You can talk about whatever stats you want but at the end of the day that is the bottom line.

i'm sorry, it's not. counterpart scoring is only one component of defense. seriously, did you read my post? do you know what blocks and steals are? what impact they have on the game?

James Harden have all easily surpassed their normal regular season averages with Roberson predominantly guarding them.

dude. read the post. james harden did not even surpass his regular season scoring productivity with andre roberson in the game, and most of his impact in the post season was derived from fouls committed against him by players other than andre roberson.

When it matters the most and we need Roberson to negate points he simply can't do it because as great of an individual defender that he is teams can simply run high screens or pick and rolls until he's out of the play.

this is how andre roberson ended up with astronomical block and steal totals against the rockets. and, not coincidentally, our overall defense was excellent against the rockets with andre roberson in the game. so no, he's not out of the play. he was a defensive monster when he ended up off the ball.

I give up dude. If you think that it's okay for Roberson to give up 37, 35 and 44 points in the 1st 3 games of the playoffs to Harden, more points than anybody has scored since Michael Jordan, then there's just no reason to debate any further. You keep supporting the guy that has made 3 of his last 23 free throws while airballing the last 2 and 1-10 on 3 pointers this season. Good luck with that.
are you interested in an actual dialogue about this? do you know how to have a discussion?

[slick_watts]

I don't think Smart gets double what Roberson got. Something similar per year, but a year longer like 4yr/$45M seems about right for a quality backup PG in RFA that can't shoot 3s. He might end up getting less than the $10M/yr that Roberson got depending on how soft the market is with the flat cap and teams valuing offense more right now. Livingston only got $8M/yr and is similar to Smart, although older.

i think there's a wide range on what smart could get. i would not be surprised with 4/50, i would not be surprised with 4/70 like turner got.

draft pedigree can be important with players like this imo.

[slick_watts]

I give up dude. If you think that it's okay for Roberson to give up 37, 35 and 44 points in the 1st 3 games of the playoffs to Harden, more points than anybody has scored since Michael Jordan, then there's just no reason to debate any further. You keep supporting the guy that has made 3 of his last 23 free throws while airballing the last 2 and 1-10 on 3 pointers this season. Good luck with that.

part of having a discussion is at least acknowledging what the other person says. this is not a debate. you are not debating the points i raised. you are ignoring them. i dropped some thorough research earlier on james harden and andre roberson. your response was 'you can post whatever stats you want'.

is that really a debate? this kind of scorched earth arm waving that you engage in devalues basketball discussion on this board as well as other boards i've seen you post on. it's ok to disagree with other people. but don't call this a debate, because you are not interested in actually having one.

if you ever are, please let me know!

[RalphSampsonJr]

I don't think Smart gets double what Roberson got. Something similar per year, but a year longer like 4yr/$45M seems about right for a quality backup PG in RFA that can't shoot 3s. He might end up getting less than the $10M/yr that Roberson got depending on how soft the market is with the flat cap and teams valuing offense more right now. Livingston only got $8M/yr and is similar to Smart, although older.

i think there's a wide range on what smart could get. i would not be surprised with 4/50, i would not be surprised with 4/70 like turner got.

draft pedigree can be important with players like this imo.

I feel smart will get offered that sort of money too.
Yea he is no sharp shooter but his offence is no where near as terrible as Robes. A PG who can guard 3 positions is very valuable

[RalphSampsonJr]

I give up dude. If you think that it's okay for Roberson to give up 37, 35 and 44 points in the 1st 3 games of the playoffs to Harden, more points than anybody has scored since Michael Jordan, then there's just no reason to debate any further. You keep supporting the guy that has made 3 of his last 23 free throws while airballing the last 2 and 1-10 on 3 pointers this season. Good luck with that.

part of having a discussion is at least acknowledging what the other person says. this is not a debate. you are not debating the points i raised. you are ignoring them. i dropped some thorough research earlier on james harden and andre roberson. your response was 'you can post whatever stats you want'.

is that really a debate? this kind of scorched earth arm waving that you engage in devalues basketball discussion on this board as well as other boards i've seen you post on. it's ok to disagree with other people. but don't call this a debate, because you are not interested in actually having one.

if you ever are, please let me know!

It really is a lost cause.. he must watch the tv and be so angry all the time.
Imagine loving something you just don't understand?! Like you think 1 thing and the rest of the community thinks something else and you sit there and get upset all day long.
I have never seen a positive post from the guy. He is very frustrated and has been taking his anger out on these types of forums for a while now. Obviously because the people in his life are tired of hearing it and this is his only outlet.
I use to get upset with the guy.. now all I feel is pitty

[slick_watts]

some tidbits i had left over from discussion w/hardenASG13:

wiggins and butler returned to the game when russell westbrook came back in at 8:36 4Q. from this point to the end of the game, the thunder scored 158pp100, and allowed 148pp100. alex abrines, jerami grant, and raymond felton attempted 2 shots between them and scored 3 points. andrew wiggins alone during this span scored 12 points on 6 shot attempts.

andre roberson would typically re-enter the game at that 8:36 mark when the opponent's star(s) re-enter.

i'll leave the speculation up to you.