All Things Luka Doncic

[SportsGuy8]

Doncic's movements look a lot more fluid. Maybe it's because his whole body is slowly getting used to the increase in height and weight that happened over the past couple of years. These things can take time.

I hope we are all in agreement that Porter and Ayton really has no chance to be #1.

Unless Bagley plays like a hybrid of Anthony Davis meets Kevin Garnett, Doncic is going #1.

I'm not so sure. Of course he's by far the best player right now and personally I would have him as a lock for #1 (unless Bagley does exactly what you just mentioned), but it's not hard to see how some teams would pass him purely based on his limited athletic potential (compared to other top prospect, obviously). No matter how well Doncic continues to play in Europe, there are going to be some major skeptics.

Never forget that top lottery teams are usually there for a reason. We're not talking about the Spurs doing the picking.

With that said, like 2/3 of the teams that could end up with the first pick are actually very Euro/Doncic-friendly. Bulls (their Euro obsession started in early 90s with Kukoc), Knicks (Euro team right now), Mavs (Dirk), Kings (Divac, Peja), Hawks (Spurs-lite) ...

[Rockmaninoff]

European LeBron James.

[pacersGM]

I hope we are all in agreement that Porter and Ayton really has no chance to be #1.

Unless Bagley plays like a hybrid of Anthony Davis meets Kevin Garnett, Doncic is going #1.

I don’t know.
He has a lot to do.
We are still waiting for his new basketball shoes contract. What they are waiting? With his EB performance and his baby face smile he should sell a lot of child basketball shoes. And in few years in Nba those are the seeds for bigger sentimental selling numbers. His father have his part of homework to do too.

And LeBron already impressed by Markannen. Next level.

you really are all over the place ha? child shoes / bigger sentimental selling numbers / his father has homework to do / markannen impresses lebron - next level

ok i guess

[J_T]

I NEVER said he maximized his potential at 18. I said that if he comes to the nba and shoots like that he won't get the reps needed in order to get better because its not like in europe where there are a bunch of scrubs in the bench. The scrubs in nba benches are starters or stars in europe. Hi Anthony Randolph.

Im not sure if there's even point in replying to you, since you obviously have your own agenda and know nothing about European basketball.
NBA teams shut down their better, older players after the all star break in order to develop younger players and tank for higher draft picks and you're telling me he wont get chance to develop his game as a top 5 pick?
There's no incentive to lose in Europe, you get nothing in return. And please stop with "NBA scrubs" are stars in Europe, thats why Doncic can do whatever he can, this isnt China. Anthony Randolph is a solid player, but he averaged 9.5 ppg last year, what a superstar. You put him on Nets right now and he'll average that.

No he won't. He was out of the league by age 24 but has a job in europe.

He definitely would. I think there is a decent chance he returns to NBA, maybe even next season. There is no way he will not average 10 ppg. Randolph is a better player now compared to his NBA years.

But I could care less about euroball.

That much is obvious, even though I don't know what this expression really means.

I see his lack of athleticism and bad defense as things that will hamper him. And his offensive game is not refined enough due to this lack of athleticism to compensate for that.

Hamper him in what way? I mean, you could find SOMETHING that hampers every player in the league, that doesn't mean anything.

Rubio, Gallo and Jokic are not star players. None of them have been an all star game and none are franchise players. They are good solid starters however and that is the level he can get to when he moves to the nba. But the #1 pick needs to be a franchise player or perennial all star. So the answer to the topic headline is no.

Jokic is not a star player? At this point I have a picture of you that is not very flattering. And no, the answer to the topic headline is not no. He will be the number one pick so the answer is yes. Your opinion can't change the draft outcome, you are not nearly as informed or knowledgeable as the NBA teams' professionals.

Someone will take him because he is the shiny new euro that they hope is the next Dirk or KP.

Well, I think it's pretty clear that you are biased against European players at this point.

I never said anything about him being white.

Didn't want to say it before, don't want to say it now, but... yeah. Not cool, man. Not cool.

Now get off your euro high horse and go praise Doncic some more just cause Euro.

Yeah, just cause Euro. And you are not bashing him just cause Euro...

Man, when you think nobody can "outsmart" Mirotic12, this guy comes along.

What is Luka's wingspan? Could be around 6'11? He doesn't have freakishly long arms, but seem long for a Euro player.

I don't think that his wingspan was measured, but standing reach was and it was pretty good. I know this will sound weird, but basically... his neck is not very long, his arms are starting quite high already. Take Chris Bosh and Kevin Durant for an example. Bosh is 2 inches taller, but his standing reach is an inch shorter. Doncic has above average standing reach for his height and I believe his vertical reach is also quite good from the tests.
Ok, just saw it was posted later...

not sure what that has to do with 8rpg/8apg predictions

Which part of his prediction bothers you most and how would you change it? And why? By why I mean what do current 8/8 players have that Doncic will not have in his prime? You need to have Westbrook's athleticism to average 8 assists or what?

I don't know that he has gotten more athletic.
Maybe a little stronger but his burst and verticality are about where they've been.

You know what, forget about my question, no need to answer. I know everything now.

Is he getting more athletic all of sudden? He really looks special out there.

It's not more suddenly, he has been getting more athletic for a long time now, he has been working on it for year and half at least. He was really not athletic few years ago and that's where this myth about him being a 6-8 blob came from. Whoever has watched him during these years was seeing the progress all the time. Now he is finally getting to the level where his athleticism will not be a liability.

Never forget that top lottery teams are usually there for a reason. We're not talking about the Spurs doing the picking.

Haha, quote of the thread. Yeah, some of these franchises I've been following for 30 years and I just don't understand what's going on there. One bad decision after another. I just googled 485 000 hits arguing that Knicks are the worst run franchise in pro sports.

European LeBron James.

One guy in this thread would say that Euro LeBron James is basically NBA 12th man. Cause Euro.


The bottom line for me is that I enjoy watching these games, he plays great basketball and the basketball fans should be happy. I couldn't care if he is drafted 1st or 3rd. It's gonna be fun so enjoy the ride.

[clyde21]

Wow...this guy looks really, really good. I love versatile players so I'm a huge fan of his. The fact that he can play on/off ball is HUGE in today's NBA.

[Oscar9992]

Luka Dončić - The best prospect in the World... TRUE OR FALSE?




Age: 18
Height: 6'7
Position: PG/SG/SF
Club: Real Madrid

Luka Dončić (Serbian Cyrillic: Лука Дончић; born February 28, 1999) is a Slovenian professional basketball player of Serbian origin who plays for Real Madrid of the Liga ACB and EuroLeague. He also represents the senior Slovenian national team. His current official listed height is 2.01 m (6'7"), and his listed weight is 99 kg (218 lbs.).
He is considered to be one of the most promising young talents of European basketball, and one of the best international players of his generation.

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I hope we are all in agreement that Porter and Ayton really has no chance to be #1.

Unless Bagley plays like a hybrid of Anthony Davis meets Kevin Garnett, Doncic is going #1.

Ayton has the highest ceiling in the draft. He will very much be in contention for #1. So will Bagley.

I have Doncic over Michael Porter Jr currently but if he shows wiggle in his game. some vision and finishes at a high level then he will too.

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not sure what that has to do with 8rpg/8apg predictions

Which part of his prediction bothers you most and how would you change it? And why? By why I mean what do current 8/8 players have that Doncic will not have in his prime? You need to have Westbrook's athleticism to average 8 assists or what?

Yeah, when you are predicting production that only top 10 players put up then it might be a sign of bias.

What does Westbrook or Lebron have that Doncic doesn't? Seem self explanatory.

I guess if he plays in a Dantoni system like Harden then maybe he has a shot

Bear in mind Lebron, Harden and Westbrook have only achieved 8/8 less than 5 times collectively

Could Doncic do it? Yes. Is it likely? No. The fact that someone threw that out there nonchalantly and Doncic super fans expected no blowback kind of encapsulates the worst about this thread.

[Riko]

True. The Gm(s) that will pass on him in the next draft will ruin his career.

[KF10]

It's expected that the Kings will be back in the top-5 lotto standings. If they manage to pick #1, I think Vlade will draft Dončić. It makes too much sense.

[Nikson]

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not sure what that has to do with 8rpg/8apg predictions

Which part of his prediction bothers you most and how would you change it? And why? By why I mean what do current 8/8 players have that Doncic will not have in his prime? You need to have Westbrook's athleticism to average 8 assists or what?

Yeah, when you are predicting production that only top 10 players put up then it might be a sign of bias.

What does Westbrook or Lebron have that Doncic doesn't? Seem self explanatory.

I guess if he plays in a Dantoni system like Harden then maybe he has a shot

Bear in mind Lebron, Harden and Westbrook have only achieved 8/8 less than 5 times collectively

Could Doncic do it? Yes. Is it likely? No. The fact that someone threw that out there nonchalantly and Doncic super fans expected no blowback kind of encapsulates the worst about this thread.

I am ok with that. 8/8 in avg over season is really hard to maintain.
But players statistical parameters are not comparable if you do not take coach, teammates, system into consideration. Ultimate goal is Team to WIN.

[baldur]

True. he has already three years of professional basketball experience in an euroleague contender. He is going to be selected as top pick. because gms will feel like they must select him for the sake of not having regrets in the future. he is that sort of prospect.

[SlowPaced]

Don't think he has a higher ceiling than Michael Porter, Marvin Bagley, DeAndre Ayton or Mohamed Bamba. That being said, his floor is probably higher than all of them. You can't teach the motor he has, the guy is a fighter.

[J_T]

Could Doncic do it? Yes. Is it likely? No. The fact that someone threw that out there nonchalantly and Doncic super fans expected no blowback kind of encapsulates the worst about this thread.

No, I think the worst about this thread is:

I think 20/8/8 is entirely possible for him in a few years.

Could Doncic do it? Yes. Is it likely? No.

For the record, I also think that 20/8/8 is possible for Doncic to achieve in NBA, but it's not going to be easy. I don't care if people disagree with it, nobody can see the future anyway. When somebody mocks such thought as crazy, that's where the problems start. Because ultimately they start bringing "arguments" and "facts" that are just laughable and completely inconsistent.

[reanimator]

Could Doncic do it? Yes. Is it likely? No. The fact that someone threw that out there nonchalantly and Doncic super fans expected no blowback kind of encapsulates the worst about this thread.

No, I think the worst about this thread is:

I think 20/8/8 is entirely possible for him in a few years.

Could Doncic do it? Yes. Is it likely? No.

For the record, I also think that 20/8/8 is possible for Doncic to achieve in NBA, but it's not going to be easy. I don't care if people disagree with it, nobody can see the future anyway. When somebody mocks such thought as crazy, that's where the problems start. Because ultimately they start bringing "arguments" and "facts" that are just laughable and completely inconsistent.

What does throwing out very unlikely stat lines as projection for Doncic do?

Its like saying Michael Porter Jr could be a 30 ppg scoring leader someday. Possible? Sure. Would I bet on it? No nor would I throw that out their nonchalantly.

[naabzor]

Did you see him play in eurobasket? Guy is a stud.

[Johnny Firpo]

This 8/8 thing is pretty arbitrary. Whether it would be 7/7, 7/6, or 6/6, the main thing is this, Doncic projects to be an excellent playmaker and rebounder in the NBA.

[pacersGM]

For the record, I also think that 20/8/8 is possible for Doncic to achieve in NBA, but it's not going to be easy. I don't care if people disagree with it, nobody can see the future anyway. When somebody mocks such thought as crazy, that's where the problems start. Because ultimately they start bringing "arguments" and "facts" that are just laughable and completely inconsistent.

the one fact, wich only doncic himself and father time will be able to dispute is that only a chosen few were able to produce such numbers on average. only few with a particular learned and god given skill set and attributes. was there between those chosen few a character who would fit doncics description? hhmmm not really as far as i know. so that historic fact among other things has me very skeptic on what some seem to be a regular thing as doncic next step (about 20/8/8)? really? that easy?

and to be stubbor and to think that the euroleague to nba transition will go with a almost a guaranteed increase of his current production is also very very naive, considering a guy called in europe the EURO MAMBA / goudelock - a european scoring machine a killer, couldnt get of the nba bench to save his life. same thing with euroleague scoring posterboy alexey shved who could not stay on a nba floor for 3 years.

how come? isnt the euroleague a grown mans world? isnt it almost as good as the nba? dont the numbers translate between those two so easy? shouldnt shwed & goudelock find more room to operate one on one with the different rules, more shots, and wider NBA court?

i guess its not that easy ha?

[Nikson]

For the record, I also think that 20/8/8 is possible for Doncic to achieve in NBA, but it's not going to be easy. I don't care if people disagree with it, nobody can see the future anyway. When somebody mocks such thought as crazy, that's where the problems start. Because ultimately they start bringing "arguments" and "facts" that are just laughable and completely inconsistent.

the one fact, wich only doncic himself and father time will be able to dispute is that only a chosen few were able to produce such numbers on average. only few with a particular learned and god given skill set and attributes. was there between those chosen few a character who would fit doncics description? hhmmm not really as far as i know. so that historic fact among other things has me very skeptic on what some seem to be a regular thing as doncic next step (about 20/8/8)? really? that easy?

and to be stubbor and to think that the euroleague to nba transition will go with a almost a guaranteed increase of his current production is also very very naive, considering a guy called in europe the EURO MAMBA / goudelock - a european scoring machine a killer, couldnt get of the nba bench to save his life. same thing with euroleague scoring posterboy alexey shved who could not stay on a nba floor for 3 years.

how come? isnt the euroleague a grown mans world? isnt it almost as good as the nba? dont the numbers translate between those two so easy? shouldnt shwed & goudelock find more room to operate one on one with the different rules, more shots, and wider NBA court?

i guess its not that easy ha?

Yes. He could have even better numbers. That is possible too. Or, he could do worse. Who knows.
Where did Šved and Goudelock came from? Euro mamba?