All Things Luka Doncic

Nikson · Post #1541 » by **Nikson** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 7:47 am

The main thing about historically praised Superstars is they have managed to have a long years stable carrier. Not 2, not half season, not 4 but 10-15 years. At a really high level.
We can possible agree it is not really smart to compare a 17-18 year old boy with them. He might never go to NBA? If he go who knows... We can only hope.
In last 30 year there were 30 first picks in NBA draft. Only 5-6 of them became Superstars like Magic, Bird, Jordan, Lebron, Shaq...
They were all promising prospects at their 18 years. when Magic was 18, can one predict he will be what he has managed to be later? He and his supporter have their hope, but can they be sure?

NO

Let us have fun.

lavta · Post #1542 » by **lavta** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 7:52 am

Thespianoid wrote:becoming Real's main creator has really helped his scoring volume, aggressiveness and variety. Starting to really develop both a power and finesse post game, plus actually consistently trying to attack the rim in the half court.

his preference for the two-foot gather is still a concern for me. two potential easy layups blocked because he didn't get the footwork right to elevate off one foot. Hopefully this can be trained out of him.

Another thing he needs to do is fix his ankle rocker so he gets more purchase/leverage when running/jumping. Can't generate enough force. Watching some videos from early last season and the problem wasn't there, seemed to crop up midway through the season. Continuing to go to P3 should help as long as they know this is something that needs to be addressed.

So glad I've run into this comment. I'm super intrigued by this stuff, not specifically about Luka but regarding any player. I also don't want him to improve this stuff, as a fan of another Final Four contender, until he goes to NBA since he improved a lot already and Real has a chance to improve even more with probably all injured players healing towards Euroleague playoffs. But this movement stuff makes me super curious whether regarding Doncic or Embiid. Could you elaborate on this more if you wish to? These tweets show similar analysis to your remarks:

Read on Twitter

Last tweet shows Cousins' shin angle during drives who is one of the better drivers in the NBA even regardless of position.

So I honestly didn't know what to do with those figures in Reece's tweets when I first saw them & didn't think much of it since I don't really care about Doncic as a draft prospect but I care about what he does this season. But, later on similar stuff was talked about Embiid and then it got me hooked. And after your post I read a little about ankle rocker, just beginner reads. I finally understand that his foot alignment during half-court on-ball movement is theoretically wrong and causes inefficient ankle rocker; even if I'm still too dumb to figure out the figures in the tweets represent exactly what.

So it seems the consensus is that this stuff is fixable but do you know any NBA player who fixed it?

And about Doncic, he's quite fast in the open floor, could it be because his foot alignment is more straight in the open floor? As opposed to him trying to beat his defender by going outside of that defender due to his playing style in half court, which results in inefficient ankle rocker via bad feet alignment? Though I would imagine it's still possible to have good feet alignment that causes relatively efficient ankle rocker and hence relatively explosive slashing ability even for players who tend to try to beat their defenders by going outside of them. Because it seems like there are players who manage to do that.

And in general again, do you know anybody who is a great driver/slasher by sheer athleticism despite having inefficient ankle rocker and do you know anybody who is not a great athlete but a great driver/slasher by having super efficient lower body movement, in terms of ankle rocker, shin angle, angles of knees, etc. or maybe angles & position of lower body movement affects athleticism so much that it's impossible to not look athletic if you're doing this stuff very efficiently? DeMarcus for example, is not a naturally super explosive player but is one of the better drivers in the league; is that due to his efficient lower body movement as Reece shows he has a great shin angle?

Also Doncic plays quite hard and benefits from contact much more this season, do you observe any stuff that is risky for injuries with his bad shin angle, inefficient ankle rocker or maybe other problematic things you observe exists like maybe problematic knee angles, bad landing motion?

dantheman74 · Post #1543 » by **dantheman74** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 8:19 am

Heard this about Mario Hezonja, who is a bigger, quicker and stronger Euro. Can't waste your lottery picks on longshots like this who haven't proven themselves against similar NBA talent growing up. Any team that thinks they're playoff bound with him running the show are gonna be sad when he can't stay in front of anyone on D or beat anyone off the dribble.

Post #1544 » by **kulaz3000** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 8:23 am

dantheman74 wrote:Heard this about Mario Hezonja, who is a bigger, quicker and stronger Euro. Can't waste your lottery picks on longshots like this who haven't proven themselves against similar NBA talent growing up. Any team that thinks they're playoff bound with him running the show are gonna be sad when he can't stay in front of anyone on D or beat anyone off the dribble.

Elaborate on what you heard about Mario that is similar to Luka? The two players have entirely different games. And let's not forget, what Luka has done demolishes anything that Mario accomplished in his Euro career.

This pooling all Euro's together is just lazy and needs to stop. There is so much information out there on players these days, it doesn't take long to do a little research to discover that their games are entirely different, and what Luka is doing at 18 years of age is something that Mario hadn't even whiffed at.

That said, I don't think he'll end up being a point guard though, but a point forward where he'll excel, similar to Ben Simmons.

Mich3006 · Post #1545 » by **Mich3006** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 8:24 am

dantheman74 wrote:Heard this about Mario Hezonja, who is a bigger, quicker and stronger Euro. Can't waste your lottery picks on longshots like this who haven't proven themselves against similar NBA talent growing up. Any team that thinks they're playoff bound with him running the show are gonna be sad when he can't stay in front of anyone on D or beat anyone off the dribble.

Doncic already showed his skills on the biggest stages in Europe and the Basketball here isn‘t that bad as well... Hezonja was a talent but he wasn‘t near the same level as Doncic

dantheman74 · Post #1546 » by **dantheman74** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 8:31 am

kulaz3000 wrote:
dantheman74 wrote:Heard this about Mario Hezonja, who is a bigger, quicker and stronger Euro. Can't waste your lottery picks on longshots like this who haven't proven themselves against similar NBA talent growing up. Any team that thinks they're playoff bound with him running the show are gonna be sad when he can't stay in front of anyone on D or beat anyone off the dribble.

Elaborate on what you heard about Mario that is similar to Luka? There games are entirely different.

This pooling all Euro's together is just lazy and needs to stop.

Was 2015, his draft was not so long ago, and the hype was huge., only to get wrekt in the NBA and stories of his poor work ethic surfaced. The young Bulls forward is looking good though, but he's 7ft. Imo the wings from Euro just don't have it i'm sorry, far and few between. EDIT; i guess i didn't think of Giannis, but he isn't white and an overhyped 6'6-6'8 PG lol. When these guys hit the league fro Europe they're not playing point guard. Other than Dirk, Tony Parker and the Gasol's i can't think of other players that have been real contenders.

BloodNinja · Post #1547 » by **BloodNinja** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 8:33 am

TRUE. His play in the Euro league swayed me in that direction and he'll be a stud.

baldur · Post #1548 » by **baldur** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 8:34 am

dantheman74 wrote:
kulaz3000 wrote:
dantheman74 wrote:Heard this about Mario Hezonja, who is a bigger, quicker and stronger Euro. Can't waste your lottery picks on longshots like this who haven't proven themselves against similar NBA talent growing up. Any team that thinks they're playoff bound with him running the show are gonna be sad when he can't stay in front of anyone on D or beat anyone off the dribble.

Elaborate on what you heard about Mario that is similar to Luka? There games are entirely different.

This pooling all Euro's together is just lazy and needs to stop.

Was 2015, his draft was not so long ago, and the hype was huge., only to get wrekt in the NBA and stories of his poor work ethic surfaced. The young Bulls forward is looking good though, but he's 7ft. Imo the wings from Euro just don't have it i'm sorry, far and few between.

hezonja was a barely rotation player in europe and raw prospect coming to the nba. He has been a bust so far unfortunately regarding his draft position. However, doncic is a proven player with the things he has done so far. he led slovenia national team along with goran dragic to European championship. it is the first for slovenia i reckon. Also, he is the leader of a Euroleague contender at this point at the age of 18. comparison is unfair.

Riko · Post #1549 » by **Riko** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 8:41 am

baldur wrote:
dantheman74 wrote:
kulaz3000 wrote:
Elaborate on what you heard about Mario that is similar to Luka? There games are entirely different.

This pooling all Euro's together is just lazy and needs to stop.

Was 2015, his draft was not so long ago, and the hype was huge., only to get wrekt in the NBA and stories of his poor work ethic surfaced. The young Bulls forward is looking good though, but he's 7ft. Imo the wings from Euro just don't have it i'm sorry, far and few between.

hezonja was a barely rotation player in europe and raw prospect coming to the nba. He has been a bust so far unfortunately regarding his draft position. However, doncic is a proven player with the things he has done so far. he led slovenia national team along with goran dragic to European championship. it is the first for slovenia i reckon. Also, he is the leader of a Euroleague contender at this point at the age of 18. comparison is unfair.

Doncic-Hezonja comparison is stupid not unfair. I can understand a comparison with Rubio history but with Hezonja he has nothing in common besides a Slavic name.

baldur · Post #1550 » by **baldur** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 8:46 am

Riko wrote:
baldur wrote:
dantheman74 wrote:
Was 2015, his draft was not so long ago, and the hype was huge., only to get wrekt in the NBA and stories of his poor work ethic surfaced. The young Bulls forward is looking good though, but he's 7ft. Imo the wings from Euro just don't have it i'm sorry, far and few between.

hezonja was a barely rotation player in europe and raw prospect coming to the nba. He has been a bust so far unfortunately regarding his draft position. However, doncic is a proven player with the things he has done so far. he led slovenia national team along with goran dragic to European championship. it is the first for slovenia i reckon. Also, he is the leader of a Euroleague contender at this point at the age of 18. comparison is unfair.

Doncic-Hezonja comparison is stupid not unfair. I can understand a comparison with Rubio history but with Hezonja he has nothing in common besides a Slavic name.

i was gonna say stupid instead of unfair but i didnt want it to be reported

lambchop · Post #1551 » by **lambchop** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 8:48 am

Yea Doncic just had a 41 PER in a euroleague game. That's what hezonja was doing against youth teams.
I was actually surprised that hezonja and satoransky made the league, cause as others mentioned they werent actually real players, they were just young and not even on alex abrines level.

Doncic has been great. I'm just not sure if he can actually still improve. Thus, I'm not sure what his ceiling is

dantheman74 · Post #1552 » by **dantheman74** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 8:48 am

Riko wrote:
baldur wrote:
dantheman74 wrote:
Was 2015, his draft was not so long ago, and the hype was huge., only to get wrekt in the NBA and stories of his poor work ethic surfaced. The young Bulls forward is looking good though, but he's 7ft. Imo the wings from Euro just don't have it i'm sorry, far and few between.

hezonja was a barely rotation player in europe and raw prospect coming to the nba. He has been a bust so far unfortunately regarding his draft position. However, doncic is a proven player with the things he has done so far. he led slovenia national team along with goran dragic to European championship. it is the first for slovenia i reckon. Also, he is the leader of a Euroleague contender at this point at the age of 18. comparison is unfair.

Doncic-Hezonja comparison is stupid not unfair. I can understand a comparison with Rubio history but with Hezonja he has nothing in common besides a Slavic name.

I watch a lot of International competition as well as the NBA, Hezonja was predicted to be a starter level talent thus the 5th pick, was obvious he couldn't handle the ball very well, but his shooting and driving were hyped, and his athletic talent for a similar sized guy like Doncic was even better. Goran Dragic was the heart of the Slovenia win, don't be sucked in.

ProfessorJM · Post #1553 » by **ProfessorJM** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:04 am

I think he's a much better prospect than Hezonja mostly because there is so much more already proven against some better competition. I think he will probably go Top 5 and maybe higher. I think in the end Bagley will end up # 1 and Porter # 2 but already Ayton lurks too as a possible mover to the top. I think Doncic might go ahead of Bamba so maybe 4 or 5 if I had to guess but a lot obviously depends on how the college year goes. I think Bagley is going to be a very unique talent when it's all said and done although he is not a finished product by any means.

gabri3l3 · Post #1554 » by **gabri3l3** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:10 am

Any franchise who doesn't take him at number 1 will regret it for decades. Dude is another level. His feel of the game is that of a superstar

walk with me · Post #1555 » by **walk with me** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:16 am

Wagonband · Post #1556 » by **Wagonband** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:17 am

Yeah Hezonja avaraged less than 2 ppg when he was 1 year older than Doncic. Doncic has the highest PIR in Euroleague currently. One is a playmaking guard, the other is a weak spot up shooter and decent athlete. Great comparison.

If he keeps these avarages he will not only be one of the best prospects but already have one of the best seasons in Euroleague history. And for those asking, the Euroleague is by far the second strongest basketball league in the world, can't even compare to the NCAA or G-League.

Goon · Post #1557 » by **Goon** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:17 am

dantheman74 wrote:Heard this about Mario Hezonja, who is a bigger, quicker and stronger Euro. Can't waste your lottery picks on longshots like this who haven't proven themselves against similar NBA talent growing up. Any team that thinks they're playoff bound with him running the show are gonna be sad when he can't stay in front of anyone on D or beat anyone off the dribble.

What a clueless and ignorant post ... He's white, both from Europe so they must be the same right? :banghead:

dantheman74 · Post #1558 » by **dantheman74** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:20 am

Goon wrote:
dantheman74 wrote:Heard this about Mario Hezonja, who is a bigger, quicker and stronger Euro. Can't waste your lottery picks on longshots like this who haven't proven themselves against similar NBA talent growing up. Any team that thinks they're playoff bound with him running the show are gonna be sad when he can't stay in front of anyone on D or beat anyone off the dribble.

What a clueless and ignorant post ... He's white, both from Europe so they must be the same right?

Tbh your reply is what is clueless and ignorant. I stated Hezonja was "bigger, quicker, stronger", i'm glad you let off some steam though chump. Try add some discussion in other than a pointless idiotic thought.

Goon · Post #1559 » by **Goon** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:22 am

dantheman74 wrote:
Goon wrote:
dantheman74 wrote:Heard this about Mario Hezonja, who is a bigger, quicker and stronger Euro. Can't waste your lottery picks on longshots like this who haven't proven themselves against similar NBA talent growing up. Any team that thinks they're playoff bound with him running the show are gonna be sad when he can't stay in front of anyone on D or beat anyone off the dribble.

What a clueless and ignorant post ... He's white, both from Europe so they must be the same right?

Tbh your reply is what is clueless and ignorant. I stated Hezonja was "bigger, quicker, stronger", i'm glad you let off some steam though chump. Try add some discussion in other than a pointless idiotic thought.

What's pointless and idiotic are your racist remarks, throwing all white euros in the same basket.

If you actually watched both players play in Europe, something I've done A TON, you wouldn't make such statements. Plenty of users already called you out, no need for me to waste time as well. You have your opinion set in stone by the looks of it. Cheers buddy.

BernteB · Post #1560 » by **BernteB** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:28 am

dantheman74 wrote:Heard this about Mario Hezonja, who is a bigger, quicker and stronger Euro. Can't waste your lottery picks on longshots like this who haven't proven themselves against similar NBA talent growing up. Any team that thinks they're playoff bound with him running the show are gonna be sad when he can't stay in front of anyone on D or beat anyone off the dribble.

muharharhar, what? doncic dominated grown men as a teenager, when all these college prospects still were playing against weak kids. he is and will be 3 levels above hezonja. every gm who passes on him, should be fired. that guy is the next big thing.