Nets - In Season Moves & Possible Trade Ideas

[Keith Van Horn]

I didn't see an existing topic yet for this, and of course not because I know it's still so early in the young NBA season, but can it hurt to get some ideas thrown out there?

I know it's tough to get the tires kicked on some of these ideas since we still want to see what certain players have and can do for us. And I said this in another game thread... we have a lot of players we really love on this team too, but sometimes you need to strike while the iron is hot.

Here's one to consider

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yap2na45

- Nets obviously take the underlying centerpiece of the trade in Parker. I know he's out for a few more months, but he can be a game changer with Russell. Then we take the Delly contract and he'll fill in as a bench unit player. But we'd really have to do our due diligence on Parker and his injury, he'd have to see our doctors and everything. Also with the loss of Booker, more minutes for RHJ, Soul Glo, and Acy.

- Bucks get Bledsoe, Whitehead can replace Delly, and they get the Suns pick (Miami). I think that helps them in making the decision to part with Parker. They have a player who helps them now in Bledsoe, who fits a major need, and then a future pick plus their own in 2018.

- Suns rid themselves of the Bledsoe drama and continue the rebuild. They add Booker who will be an expiring, which is money not tied up in Bledsoe and can go to a new young guy, then they add two nice young assets in Brogdon and Levert. Getting the former ROTY and PG of their future is a good consolation for the loss of the Miami pick. Combine those guys with their other young guys like Booker, Jackson, and Chriss... that's a decent youth movement.

Thoughts?

[Antti22]

As much as I would like to see Parker in Nets uniform aswell, I really cant see us trading LeVert any time soon.

[MrDollarBills]

I'm not trading LeVert under any circumstances unless its an all star tier player coming back in return.

[CalamityX12]

Levert is not moving, no way.... not for the more injury prone MIA guy in Parker....

i don't understand that... we would be tanking for a pick we don't have.

[shakendfries]

lol nah i'm good on that

[Keith Van Horn]

I'm not trading LeVert under any circumstances unless its an all star tier player coming back in return.

Let me ask you this -- Do you think Levert has the potential to be a perennial all-star, who can score 20+ ppg, and really be the #1 or #2 option on a 1-2 punch offense?

I love Levert, I'm not saying we should be giving up on him... BUT if the price is right for Parker, I think he could add an amazing dynamic that we won't see with Levert.

and I totally understand all the injury concern with Parker. It'd have to be a super researched and calculated move for the team.

This is all food for thought.

[Ror1997]

My gut tells me we'll get a vet guard soon. Moneys on Beno Udrih.

[Keith Van Horn]

this is coming off watching Gordon last night destroy us, and thinking getting a big bodied forward who can play both PF/SF along with Russell would be tremendous.



Moving forward for 2018-19 then we'd have

DLo / Crabbe / Parker / RHJ / Allen
Din / Lin / Harris / DMC / Moz
Delly / Skill / Acy

edit; forgot a few names

[shakendfries]

Let me ask you this -- Do you think Levert has the potential to be a perennial all-star, who can score 20+ ppg, and really be the #1 or #2 option on a 1-2 punch offense?

Yes. Easily. He scores with ease and makes smart basketball plays. His game should only improve as he gets easier looks with Russell & Crabbe spacing the floor next to him

[Keith Van Horn]

Watch on YouTube

Just watch some of what he brings in this game v. the Rockets. I think his offensive abilities and pacing would be the perfect fit for the Nets.

[shakendfries]

this is coming off watching Gordon last night destroy us, and thinking getting a big bodied forward who can play both PF/SF along with Russell would be tremendous.



Moving forward for 2018-19 then we'd have

DLo / Crabbe / Parker / RHJ / Allen
Din / Lin / Harris / DMC / Moz
Delly / Skill / Acy

edit; forgot a few names

Unless we're getting Anthony Davis, there isn't another young PF in the NBA that would positively impact the Nets on both ends of the court.

[MrDollarBills]

I'm not trading LeVert under any circumstances unless its an all star tier player coming back in return.

Let me ask you this -- Do you think Levert has the potential to be a perennial all-star, who can score 20+ ppg, and really be the #1 or #2 option on a 1-2 punch offense?

I love Levert, I'm not saying we should be giving up on him... BUT if the price is right for Parker, I think he could add an amazing dynamic that we won't see with Levert.

and I totally understand all the injury concern with Parker. It'd have to be a super researched and calculated move for the team.

This is all food for thought.

I think that he has all star potential, yes. I also have no interest in trading him for a player whose knees are all but destroyed and is due a fat extension.

[TheNetsFan]

I'm on the Parker bandwagon, assuming our doctors bless his knees. Taking on Delly & giving up LeVert is a tough price to pay though. If Parker were healthy, I'd do it in a heart beat. If it was Lin instead of Booker, I'd think about it a bit more since his contract has the extra year.

I don't think Milwaukee would include Brogdon, and from a fit perspective, you wonder if RHJ has more value & makes more sense in the deal over LeVert. I can see Bledsoe as that caliber piece that could entice Milwaukee to let go of Parker though, so that 's a good train of thought.

[Keith Van Horn]

I'm on the Parker bandwagon, assuming our doctors bless his knees. Taking on Delly & giving up LeVert is a tough price to pay though. If Parker were healthy, I'd do it in a heart beat. If it was Lin instead of Booker, I'd think about it a bit more since his contract has the extra year.

I don't think Milwaukee would include Brogdon, and from a fit perspective, you wonder if RHJ has more value & makes more sense in the deal over LeVert. I can see Bledsoe as that caliber piece that could entice Milwaukee to let go of Parker though, so that 's a good train of thought.

One of the other reasons I considered this idea is b/c on the Glue Guys BK Nets podcast, one of the hosts suggested Levert and Lin for Parker. Now this was before the start of the season and the guy was ripped on Twitter by a few fans. But it got me thinking and I actually suggested this idea to them on their Twitter feed (it'll be interesting to hear if they bring it up on a future show).

The rationalization behind giving up Brogdon is that they'd be getting Bledsoe, who is older and more polished, and it puts them in more of a "win now" mode. Giannis, Bledsoe, Middleton, Maker... solid to make the playoffs. Also, they're getting the Miami pick from the Suns too. So yeah, they lose a nice young piece in Brogdon, but they'll have a guard to replace him AND they'll get a decent pick (maybe something like a late teens/early 20s) in which they can draft a guy based on their needs after the season ends.

Agreed that taking on Delly is tough, but I could see his character fitting in with the Brooklyn grit mentality. He could play off the bench or wherever, and will let us do more with having DLo play off ball. When Lin returns, he probably gets even less minutes considering we have Din too. But that Delly money we take is part of how we land Parker.

And in the original trade I heard it was Lin and CLV going out, this one I proposed we keep Lin, which I love. Having him around all season and next year is still big for the growth of this team. He's definitely admired in this organization.

but for the guys going out:
-Lose Booker, and he has value b/c not only is he playing well, he's an expiring for the Suns
-Lose Whitehead, but he's out of the rotation now, He's got value as a defensive PG and I'm sure Kidd would love him
-Lose Levert, which would suck, but shipping him out could be the one of the big facilitators in the deal

I'm very intrigued by Parker and what he provides. I think it's worth consideration definitely.

[treiz]

I don't think anybody doubts Parker's ability, but his injury history is a right for concern. Especially when we have to give up one of our biggest assets in Levert for him.

[Trader_Joe]

Yeah, don't think I want to give up LeVert and cap flexibility to max Parker and his bad knees.
I don't see any major moves we should be looking at right now. Now should be all about development of the players and the line-ups. I do see two glaring weakness however... Turnovers and D.

Turnovers are tough. We play at a breakneck pace and our PG is 21 years old. Having a second ball handler helps like LeVert, but he is young as well. Seemingly only experience will help there.

Defensively, we get slaughtered, especially among bigs... Turner, Vucevic, Gordon have torched us. Also hard to do much there since our answer to our interior D is simply young and raw and needs time (Allen). Mozzy is old and slow but also so overpaid we're stuck with him. But, does that mean we need to look at our PF position, where RHJ has played well?

For now, I'd explore minor deals.
Shop Kilpatrick, Whitehead, Acy and Zeller (or cut Zeller)

Look for a true veteran PG to steady up the position for a year and look for another big man 6'10 or taller.
Not sure what trade targets are available, so I just looked at the FA list. I'm kinda surprised Jennings (all of 27) is out there. I almost feel he might be worth a flier. Don't see any bigs of note, though Humphries is interesting. He started to add a three point shot, is a rebounder and a physical player. Not quite a rim protector, but could be better than Acy.

[Prokorov]

I didn't see an existing topic yet for this, and of course not because I know it's still so early in the young NBA season, but can it hurt to get some ideas thrown out there?

I know it's tough to get the tires kicked on some of these ideas since we still want to see what certain players have and can do for us. And I said this in another game thread... we have a lot of players we really love on this team too, but sometimes you need to strike while the iron is hot.

Here's one to consider

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yap2na45

- Nets obviously take the underlying centerpiece of the trade in Parker. I know he's out for a few more months, but he can be a game changer with Russell. Then we take the Delly contract and he'll fill in as a bench unit player. But we'd really have to do our due diligence on Parker and his injury, he'd have to see our doctors and everything. Also with the loss of Booker, more minutes for RHJ, Soul Glo, and Acy.

- Bucks get Bledsoe, Whitehead can replace Delly, and they get the Suns pick (Miami). I think that helps them in making the decision to part with Parker. They have a player who helps them now in Bledsoe, who fits a major need, and then a future pick plus their own in 2018.

- Suns rid themselves of the Bledsoe drama and continue the rebuild. They add Booker who will be an expiring, which is money not tied up in Bledsoe and can go to a new young guy, then they add two nice young assets in Brogdon and Levert. Getting the former ROTY and PG of their future is a good consolation for the loss of the Miami pick. Combine those guys with their other young guys like Booker, Jackson, and Chriss... that's a decent youth movement.

Thoughts?

There is no scenario were the Bucks give up 2 young players to get bledsoe.Brogdon was ROTY and parker is a potential perrenial allstar

Nets would need to add at least a first to make this work.

The suns have no use for expirings, they have more cap space then any team in the league right now.

and im not overpaying for a guy with knee injuries that early in his career

[TheNetsFan]

I'm on the Parker bandwagon, assuming our doctors bless his knees. Taking on Delly & giving up LeVert is a tough price to pay though. If Parker were healthy, I'd do it in a heart beat. If it was Lin instead of Booker, I'd think about it a bit more since his contract has the extra year.

I don't think Milwaukee would include Brogdon, and from a fit perspective, you wonder if RHJ has more value & makes more sense in the deal over LeVert. I can see Bledsoe as that caliber piece that could entice Milwaukee to let go of Parker though, so that 's a good train of thought.

One of the other reasons I considered this idea is b/c on the Glue Guys BK Nets podcast, one of the hosts suggested Levert and Lin for Parker. Now this was before the start of the season and the guy was ripped on Twitter by a few fans. But it got me thinking and I actually suggested this idea to them on their Twitter feed (it'll be interesting to hear if they bring it up on a future show).

The rationalization behind giving up Brogdon is that they'd be getting Bledsoe, who is older and more polished, and it puts them in more of a "win now" mode. Giannis, Bledsoe, Middleton, Maker... solid to make the playoffs. Also, they're getting the Miami pick from the Suns too. So yeah, they lose a nice young piece in Brogdon, but they'll have a guard to replace him AND they'll get a decent pick (maybe something like a late teens/early 20s) in which they can draft a guy based on their needs after the season ends.

Agreed that taking on Delly is tough, but I could see his character fitting in with the Brooklyn grit mentality. He could play off the bench or wherever, and will let us do more with having DLo play off ball. When Lin returns, he probably gets even less minutes considering we have Din too. But that Delly money we take is part of how we land Parker.

And in the original trade I heard it was Lin and CLV going out, this one I proposed we keep Lin, which I love. Having him around all season and next year is still big for the growth of this team. He's definitely admired in this organization.

but for the guys going out:
-Lose Booker, and he has value b/c not only is he playing well, he's an expiring for the Suns
-Lose Whitehead, but he's out of the rotation now, He's got value as a defensive PG and I'm sure Kidd would love him
-Lose Levert, which would suck, but shipping him out could be the one of the big facilitators in the deal

I'm very intrigued by Parker and what he provides. I think it's worth consideration definitely.

I heard that Glue Guy podcast too, and I thought it was rich, but I can see his point. He's not sold on LeVert, so he'd sell high. That's not a bad thought process, especially if you don't see him become an all-star level player. The same can be said for RHJ, who's stock is may even be higher than LeVert's right now. I'm not convinced enough that Milwaukee will match any offer this summer, especially if Parker's recovery is slower than anticipated or the young guys like Maker & Wilson show a lot of promise, to pay an expensive price.

[Prokorov]

Milwaukee will match. it doesnt make sense for them not to. if they dont match him its not like they have cap space. may as well go over the cap to pay your own guy and former number 2 pick

[TheNetsFan]

Milwaukee will match. it doesnt make sense for them not to. if they dont match him its not like they have cap space. may as well go over the cap to pay your own guy and former number 2 pick

It's not about having cap. I'm not convinced they'd be willing to risk going deep into perennial tax territory for a guy with back to back ACL tears. The Bucks haven't paid a dime of luxury tax since the '02-'03 season when they paid a whopping $4.73mil.