Otto Porter Part 2

[zero2hero]

I'm not sure if I agree with the conclusion. I feel like when his team starts to get going, they're more hesitant to commit to helping off on Wall which gives him a lot of space to get off his mid-range jumper and get to the lane. And that's a shot I want John taking - he can make those.

I generally feel like John does a good job of controlling the team's pace and spreading the ball around. Although I'll keep an eye out on what you mentioned.

Agreed. I don't have any problems with Wall's game management so far this year, with the exception of some of his reckless 1 on 3 fast breaks against Philly. Wall's jumper has been off, but I don't think he's taking too many of them.

I think if Otto keeps playing like this Walls wandering eye will gaze upon Otto and Wall will say “we do have as big 3”. I know yall remember when Beal was starting to come into his own and Wall was hesitant to give him the credit he was starting to deserve. Eventually Wall was forced into acknowledging that Beal was one of the leaders on this team and another great player. If Otto can keep playing like this Wall and Beal will start treating him as an equal and hopefully Brooks will dictate getting him more involved in the offense by design-

Sure - and I believe that's a great thing. Everyone on our team should earn their respect from their peers. Time for Otto to earn his way into the Wall/Beal dynamic

[CobraCommander]

Agreed. I don't have any problems with Wall's game management so far this year, with the exception of some of his reckless 1 on 3 fast breaks against Philly. Wall's jumper has been off, but I don't think he's taking too many of them.

I think if Otto keeps playing like this Walls wandering eye will gaze upon Otto and Wall will say “we do have as big 3”. I know yall remember when Beal was starting to come into his own and Wall was hesitant to give him the credit he was starting to deserve. Eventually Wall was forced into acknowledging that Beal was one of the leaders on this team and another great player. If Otto can keep playing like this Wall and Beal will start treating him as an equal and hopefully Brooks will dictate getting him more involved in the offense by design-

Sure - and I believe that's a great thing. Everyone on our team should earn their respect from their peers. Time for Otto to earn his way into the Wall/Beal dynamic

If he does we could win the east...Wall and Beal are better than anyone on the cavs at the 1 or 2...but can you imagine if we get Ottos current production in the playoffs while PlayoffWall and PlayoffBeal are in effect????

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

It's also nice to see Porter quietly being effective in this 3/4 hybrid role.

I'd much rather see the Wizards bet on Oubre and Porter being able to play the 3/4 together effectively than to commit a big contract to Morris when his deal is up.

This! It has been fortuitous that Morris started out the year injured to allow Oubre/Porter playing more minutes together.

I hope - I know it won't happen but one can still hope - that Morris comes off the bench when he comes back. At least for 10 games or so...

It would be interesting to use Morris off the bench. He certainly would add some reliable scoring there.

The way the NBA is going I think Morris can play backup center.

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[queridiculo]

It's also nice to see Porter quietly being effective in this 3/4 hybrid role.

I'd much rather see the Wizards bet on Oubre and Porter being able to play the 3/4 together effectively than to commit a big contract to Morris when his deal is up.

This! It has been fortuitous that Morris started out the year injured to allow Oubre/Porter playing more minutes together.

I hope - I know it won't happen but one can still hope - that Morris comes off the bench when he comes back. At least for 10 games or so...

True, if the Wizards develop a nice flow for themselves easing him to rotation from the bench would probably be a good approach, but I'm thinking more like two years from now.

When you look at how much salary the Wizards have committed between Wall, Beal and Porter it's not a reach to suggest that the Wizards will be forced to pick between Morris and Oubre and I just hope that the Wizards for once go with the young guy as opposed to overpaying the veteran with a reputation.

[tontoz]

Wall takes too many shots in general. Taking 28 shots in the first game was just nuts.

He does seem to be attacking the basket more.

Wall taking 28 shots was atypical...he took 12 shots against Detroit and 13 shots against Denver.

Last season Wall took 18.4 shots per game, 5th among pgs. He ranked 28th in TS among pgs.

Looking at the top 20 in attempts the only ones who shot as bad or worse than wall were Westbrook, Rose and DeAngelo Russell.

13 of the top 20 had an efg of 50% or better. Wall's was 48.3%.

Taking too many shots is normal for Wall.

[nate33]

Wall takes too many shots in general. Taking 28 shots in the first game was just nuts.

He does seem to be attacking the basket more.

Wall taking 28 shots was atypical...he took 12 shots against Detroit and 13 shots against Denver.

Last season Wall took 18.4 shots per game, 5th among pgs. He ranked 28th in TS among pgs.

Looking at the top 20 in attempts the only ones who shot as bad or worse than wall were Westbrook, Rose and DeAngelo Russell.

13 of the top 20 had an efg of 50% or better. Wall's was 48.3%.

Taking too many shots is normal for Wall.

I agree that Wall has shot too much in the past. For the most part, it could be forgiven because there weren't really any other "go to" options who could create a shot on their own. Last season, however, after the emergence of Beal, Wall should have started to dial back his shot attempts. This year, with Porter, he should dial it back a bit more.

[tontoz]

I would say that Porter should have gotten more shots last season. Wall took a career high number of shots last season and I see no reason for it other than selfishness.

[Kanyewest]

I agree that Wall took too many shots, especially mid range jumpers early in the shot clock. Still, I think Porter passed on a lot of shots too. Even Markieff Morris took more shots than him last season.

[zero2hero]

^^ Yeah, I don't buy the notion that Porter should have "gotten" more shots. There's more things he could be doing than just spotting up, or cutting to the hoop. Hell, we even see Oubre showing more aggression than Porter did early on. Albeit, Oubre isn't nearly as effective as Porter driving to the hoop. But at least Oubre is aggressive in getting his shot off, whether it be a pump fake into a drive, or taking his man on to the rim. Wall isn't a selfish player. If someone can make shots, Wall will pass to him. Like I wrote above, Otto needs to earn his way into a Big 3 with Wall and Beal, and it does look like so far Otto is stepping up to that challenge.

[tontoz]

^^ Yeah, I don't buy the notion that Porter should have "gotten" more shots. There's more things he could be doing than just spotting up, or cutting to the hoop. Hell, we even see Oubre showing more aggression than Porter did early on. Albeit, Oubre isn't nearly as effective as Porter driving to the hoop. But at least Oubre is aggressive in getting his shot off, whether it be a pump fake into a drive, or taking his man on to the rim. Wall isn't a selfish player. If someone can make shots, Wall will pass to him. Like I wrote above, Otto needs to earn his way into a Big 3 with Wall and Beal, and it does look like so far Otto is stepping up to that challenge.

The problem with this post is that you are ignoring all the times wall comes down the court and takes a shot without anyone touching the ball. It isn't just fast breaks. Last season he would routinely come down the court and take a mid-range pull-up j without anyone touching the ball.

Morris is a card carrying chucker. He loves long contested 2s.

[DCZards]

The problem with this post is that you are ignoring all the times wall comes down the court and takes a shot without anyone touching the ball. It isn't just fast breaks. Last season he would routinely come down the court and take a mid-range pull-up j without anyone touching the ball.

Morris is a card carrying chucker. He loves long contested 2s.

Wall would also routinely take over games down the stretch when his teammates were struggling to score. So there is that.

Wall taking too many midrange jumpers is problem. His taking big shots and stepping up at crunch time is not.

[zero2hero]

^^ Yeah, I don't buy the notion that Porter should have "gotten" more shots. There's more things he could be doing than just spotting up, or cutting to the hoop. Hell, we even see Oubre showing more aggression than Porter did early on. Albeit, Oubre isn't nearly as effective as Porter driving to the hoop. But at least Oubre is aggressive in getting his shot off, whether it be a pump fake into a drive, or taking his man on to the rim. Wall isn't a selfish player. If someone can make shots, Wall will pass to him. Like I wrote above, Otto needs to earn his way into a Big 3 with Wall and Beal, and it does look like so far Otto is stepping up to that challenge.

The problem with this post is that you are ignoring all the times wall comes down the court and takes a shot without anyone touching the ball. It isn't just fast breaks. Last season he would routinely come down the court and take a mid-range pull-up j without anyone touching the ball.

Morris is a card carrying chucker. He loves long contested 2s.

Wall isn't a perfect player. But you can count on one hand the amount of ELITE pure point guards left in the league, and Wall is one of them. What I'm saying is, Otto not getting enough shots is less on Wall taking bad mid-range shots early on the clock, and more on Otto not being aggressive enough.

[tontoz]

The problem with this post is that you are ignoring all the times wall comes down the court and takes a shot without anyone touching the ball. It isn't just fast breaks. Last season he would routinely come down the court and take a mid-range pull-up j without anyone touching the ball.

Morris is a card carrying chucker. He loves long contested 2s.

Wall would also routinely take over games down the stretch when his teammates were struggling to score. So there is that.

Wall taking too many midrange jumpers is problem. His taking big shots and stepping up at crunch time is not.

How many times have we seen him running late game isos that lead to mid-range bricks? Too many to count. I have seen enough of the prevent offense.

Teams are more than happy to let him take those late game jumpers. Beal would be a much better option if we have to run a late game iso.

[DCZards]

How many times have we seen him running late game isos that lead to mid-range bricks? Too many to count. I have seen enough of the prevent offense.

Teams are more than happy to let him take those late game jumpers. Beal would be a much better option if we have to run a late game iso.

I agree. But that's on the coach not Wall.

[tontoz]

How many times have we seen him running late game isos that lead to mid-range bricks? Too many to count. I have seen enough of the prevent offense.

Teams are more than happy to let him take those late game jumpers. Beal would be a much better option if we have to run a late game iso.

I agree. But that's on the coach not Wall.

Somehow I doubt that two successive coaches have told him to run down the clock and take mid-range jumpers.

[DCZards]

How many times have we seen him running late game isos that lead to mid-range bricks? Too many to count. I have seen enough of the prevent offense.

Teams are more than happy to let him take those late game jumpers. Beal would be a much better option if we have to run a late game iso.

I agree. But that's on the coach not Wall.

Somehow I doubt that two successive coaches have told him to run down the clock and take mid-range jumpers.

Well, in either case, that's last season's news. No sense debating the past. Let's wait and see what happens this year.

[tontoz]

Well, in either case, that's last season's news. No sense debating the past. Let's wait and see what happens this year.

So far this year Wall is taking almost 18 shots per game with an efg of 40.6%.

Porter is taking 14 shots per game with an efg of 57%.

[NatP4]

Well, in either case, that's last season's news. No sense debating the past. Let's wait and see what happens this year.

So far this year Wall is taking almost 18 shots per game with an efg of 40.6%.

Porter is taking 14 shots per game with an efg of 57%.

Wall only took 12 and 13 shots in the 2nd and 3rds games after that horrendous 1st game. I think brooks pulled him to the side again and said "hey otto needs more shots and you gotta take less and be a playmaker" Brooks has said this before.

[Dat2U]

Well, in either case, that's last season's news. No sense debating the past. Let's wait and see what happens this year.

So far this year Wall is taking almost 18 shots per game with an efg of 40.6%.

Porter is taking 14 shots per game with an efg of 57%.

Wall's issue is that he can't hit the broadside of a barn outside of a layup or free throw. His mid-range has been ghastly thus far. I literally remember him making only two jumpers so far. One three and the tough contested fade-away late against Denver.

Wall has historically started out slow to begin each season. Generally by December he's operating on all cylinders.

[DCZards]

Well, in either case, that's last season's news. No sense debating the past. Let's wait and see what happens this year.

So far this year Wall is taking almost 18 shots per game with an efg of 40.6%.

Porter is taking 14 shots per game with an efg of 57%.

Why are we even debating this? Two very different players, two very different roles, two damn good players. Same 3-0 team. Enjoy...Go Zards!