Political Roundtable Part XV

[stilldropin20]

Quoted from here https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/yes-russia-trump-investigation-real-n814541
Yes, the Russia-Trump Investigation Is Real
by CHUCK TODD, MARK MURRAY and CARRIE DANN


Yes, the Russia-Trump investigation is real — even when you exclude the Steele dossier
WASHINGTON — With the revelation that the Clinton campaign and DNC paid the money to finance the Steele dossier, Trump and his supporters now argue that he’s off the hook when it comes to the Russia investigation. “‘Clinton campaign & DNC paid for research that led to the anti-Trump Fake News Dossier. The victim here is the President.’ @FoxNews,” Trump tweeted on Wednesday.

But here’s a timeline to remind everyone that the Trump-Russia investigation is real — even outside of what we know about the Steele dossier:

Jan. 6: Intel community details that Russia interfered in the 2016 election — to hurt Hillary Clinton and benefit Trump.

Feb. 13: National Security Adviser Michael Flynn resigns just after the Washington Post first reported that the Justice Department had informed the White House that Flynn could be subject to blackmail after misleading statements about his interaction with Russia's ambassador.

Feb. 14: The New York Times reports that Trump's 2016 campaign "had repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials."

Feb. 14: Then FBI Director James Comey met at White House with Trump, where Trump tells him: "I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go," the president says, per a memo Comey wrote about the meeting. "He is a good guy. I hope you can let this go."

March 1: The Washington Post reports that Attorney General Jeff Sessions met with Russia's envoy twice in 2016 -- which Sessions didn't disclose in his confirmation hearing.

March 2: Sessions recuses himself from any federal inquiries involving Trump's 2016 campaign.

March 20: Comey confirms his agency is investigation allegations that Trump's 2016 campaign might have contacts with Russian entities.

May 9: Trump fires Comey. The original explanation is that it was due to how Comey handled the Hillary Clinton email investigation — and was based on the recommendation from Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein.

May 10: In Oval Office meeting, Trump tells Russian officials, "I just fired the head of the F.B.I. He was crazy, a real nut job," he said, according to the New York Times. "I faced great pressure because of Russia. That's taken off."

May 11: In interview with NBC's Lester Holt, Trump said he firing Comey regardless of what Rosenstein recommended. And he suggested the Russia investigation was a reason behind the dismissal. "When I decided to [fire Comey], I said to myself, I said you know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made up story."

May 17: Rosenstein appoints former FBI Director Robert Mueller as a special counsel in Russia probe.

July 9: NYT reports that Donald Trump Jr. met with a Kremlin-connected lawyer on June 9, 2016 after being promised damaging information on Hillary Clinton — "the first public indication that at least some in the campaign were willing to accept Russian help."

July 11: NYT publishes emails between Rob Goldstone ("This is obviously very high level and sensitive information, but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump") and Donald Trump Jr. ("If it's what you say, I love it." The entire email exchange is entitled: "Russia — Clinton — private and confidential."

July 31: WaPo reports that Trump dictated his son’s misleading statement about that meeting with the Russian lawyer.

Aug 3: WSJ reports that special counsel Mueller impaneled a grand jury in his Russia investigation.

Aug 9: WaPo reports that the FBI searched Paul Manafort's home on July 26.

Oct. 4: Richard Burr, chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, says his committee continues to look at whether there was collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign. “There are concerns that we continue to pursue: collusion. The committee continues to look into all evidence to see if there was any hint of collusion.”

Oct. 25: The Daily Beast reports that the head of Trump’s data-analytics firm Cambridge Analytica wrote in an email last year that he reached out to WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange about Hillary Clinton’s missing 33,000 emails.
And remember, parts of the Steele dossier have been confirmed
Also, NBC’s Ken Dilanian reminds us that PARTS of the Steele dossier seem to line up with known facts. For example, Dilanian notes:

The dossier discusses Trump’s attempts to secure business deals in Russia, saying, “Regarding TRUMP’s claimed minimal investment profile in Russia, a separate source with direct knowledge said this had not been for want of trying. TRUMP’s previous efforts had included exploring the real estate sector in St Petersburg as well as Moscow…” We now know that despite Trump saying he had no deals in Russia, his organization was trying to build Trump Tower Moscow during the Republican primaries.
The dossier says a “senior Russian diplomat withdrawn from Washington embassy on account of potential exposure in US presidential election operation/s.” According to McClatchy, Mikhail Kalugin was recalled from his post as head of the embassy’s economics section in August of 2016. BBC reported that U.S. government sources identified Kalugin as a spy, though NBC News has not confirmed this.

The dossier asserts that in early August 2016, “a Kremlin official involved in US relations commented on aspects of the Russian operation to date,” discussing attempts to compromise Jill STEIN of the Green Party; TRUMP foreign policy adviser Carter PAGE; and former DIA Director Michael Flynn, by inviting them to Moscow. Flynn and Stein spoke at the RT gala in 2015, Flynn having been paid. Page gave a Kremlin-friendly speech in Moscow in July 2016 while he was advising the Trump campaign. (Page responded Thursday in an email to NBC News, “No one ever tried to compromise me.”)

thats a a bunch of nothing. flat out nothing. not even any luttuce on that nothing burger. nothing there. flyn resigned. manafort was pushed out after weeks. Trump removes dead weight quickly. he's a business man.

manafort was involved in uranium one deal in 2009.

comey and rosenstein are extremely entagled in all of this as well as Eric Holder.

here: ;et me spell this out. The Obama. DOJ. had(up until an hour ago). a. gag. order. on. a. whistle. blower.

trump just lifted that gag order.

git your popcorn ready.

[cammac]

The Canadian resources of uranium are the best in the world with the mines in Saskatchewan yielding 20% where the rest of the worlds supply is much, much lower grade.

Still, it’s somewhat disingenuous to say this uranium is now Russia’s, to do with what it pleases, or to suggest that any amount of the uranium will end up in Iran. The current licenses – held by the US-based subsidiaries and approved by the US Nuclear Regulatory Commission – do not allow exports from any U1H US facility.

The truth is, the US uranium industry as its currently built isn’t all that American. In fact, it’s mostly Canadian. Qualms over perceived threats to national security are misplaced, though not entirely admissible. The deal further illustrates an already pronounced trend of the decline of US nuclear capabilities and influence at all stages of the nuclear fuel cycle.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-07/does-russia-really-own-20-us-uranium-reserves

I really don't know if SD20 knows anything about Kazakhstan which has a large Russian minority about 20% and while titular democracy it is basically run by Nursultan Nazarbayev since it's independence from in 2019. I have visited Kazakhstan once to see a Canadian mining engineer friend and some Kazakh friends I met in China. Kazakhstan does sell resources oil, gas,minerals to both China and Russia and the economy has been hard hit because of the drop in oil prices which invigorated the economy. Canadians do have a large part in mining since we are one of the best in the world at it. But now China has much more of a influence within Kazakhstan than Russia but Russia still has its launch site for space exploration in Kazakhstan.

Just to refute again one of Nate's ideas Kazakhstan is 26% Christian and 70% Muslim while the government does put down religious descent it isn't aimed at one religion in fact it is more against Muslims. I do disagree with the % though I think more of the nation is nonsecular than Muslim. That could be the fact that my Kazakh friends are Baha'i but going around the country I found very little religious zeal and alcohol is everywhere. Friends said Muslim religion is popular because you can get more than one wife.

[Pointgod]

Well I'm back. My self-imposed sabbatical was brief.

I've been posting in this thread for some time now and there's no reason to let a difference in political opinion stop that.

Anyway, I was thinking about sd20's assertion that the Steele Dossier had been debunked so I started looking for proof of that and couldn't find any. I mean I've seen conservatives say it from time to time but most of the mainstream media sources have said parts of it have been confirmed. In fact, from various reports Mueller is using it in his investigation.

I've actually read the dossier (yeah, I have no life lol) and there's things that match up. Even if you're the most partisan person there's things in the dossier that should give you pause.

There's several synopsis' on the dossier online but this is a pretty good one. I posted it a awhile ago.

This is written by a former CIA officer.

I'll post the most relevant parts:

The most obvious occurrence that could not have been known to Orbis (Steele's company) in June 2016, but shines bright in retrospect is the fact that Russia undertook a coordinated and massive effort to disrupt the 2016 U.S. election to help Donald Trump, as the U.S. intelligence community itself later concluded. Well before any public knowledge of these events, the Orbis report identified multiple elements of the Russian operation including a cyber campaign, leaked documents related to Hillary Clinton, and meetings with Paul Manafort and other Trump affiliates to discuss the receipt of stolen documents. Mr. Steele could not have known that the Russians stole information on Hillary Clinton, or that they were considering means to weaponize them in the U.S. election, all of which turned out to be stunningly accurate. The U.S. government only published its conclusions in January 2017, with an assessment of some elements in October 2016. It was also apparently news to investigators when the New York Times in July 2017 published Don Jr’s emails arranging for the receipt of information held by the Russians about Hillary Clinton. How could Steele and Orbis know in June 2016 that the Russians were working actively to elect Donald Trump and damage Hillary Clinton? How could Steele and Orbis have known about the Russian overtures to the Trump Team involving derogatory information on Clinton?

We have also subsequently learned of Trump’s long-standing interest in, and experience with Russia and Russians. A February 2017 New York Times article reported that phone records and intercepted calls show that members of Trump’s campaign and other Trump associates had repeated contacts with senior Russian officials in the year before the election. The New York Times article was also corroborated by CNN and Reuters independent reports. And even Russian officials have acknowledged some of these and other repeated contacts. Although Trump has denied the connections, numerous credible reports suggest that both he and Manafort have long-standing relationships with Russians, and pro-Putin groups. In August 2017, CNN reported on “intercepted communications that US intelligence agencies collected among suspected Russian operatives discussing their efforts to work with Manafort…to coordinate information that could damage Hillary Clinton’s election prospects” including “conversations with Manafort, encouraging help from the Russians.”

We learned that when Carter Page traveled to Moscow in July 2016, he met with close Putin ally and Chairman of the Russian state oil company, Igor Sechin. A later Steele report also claimed that he met with Parliamentary Secretary Igor Divyekin while in Moscow. Renowned investigative journalist Michael Isikoff reported in September 2016 that U.S. intelligence sources confirmed that Page met with both Sechin and Divyekin during his July trip to Russia. What’s more, the Justice Department obtained a wiretap in summer 2016 on Page after satisfying a court that there was sufficient evidence to show Page was operating as a Russian agent.

While the Orbis team had no way to know it, subsequent reports from U.S. officials confirmed that Washington-based diplomat Mikhail Kalugin was an undercover intelligence officer and was pulled out of the Embassy and sent home in summer 2016.

The Orbis documents refer repeatedly to Paul Manafort’s “off-the-books” payments from ousted Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych’s pro-Russian party, and Russian concerns that it may be a vulnerability that could jeopardize the effort. According to the Orbis report, the Russians were concerned about “further scandals involving Manafort’s commercial and political role in Russia/Ukraine.” And, indeed, there have been further scandals since the Orbis reports were written. Those include Manafort being compelled in June 2017 to register retroactively as a foreign agent of a pro-Russian political parties in Ukraine, and Mueller and New York Attorney Generals’ reported investigation of Manafort for possible money laundering and tax evasion linked to Ukrainian ventures.

We do not have any reporting that implicates Michael Cohen in meetings with Russians as outlined in the dossier. However, recent revelations indicate his long-standing relationships with key Russian and Ukrainian interlocutors, and highlight his role in a previously hidden effort to build a Trump tower in Moscow. During the campaign, those efforts included email exchanges with Trump associate Felix Sater explicitly referring to getting Putin’s circle involved and helping Trump get elected.

[b]Further, the Trump Administration’s effort lift sanctions on Russia immediately following the inauguration seems to mirror Orbis reporting related to Mr. Cohen’s promises to Russia, as reported in the Orbis documents. A June 2017 Yahoo News article by Michael Isikoff described the Administration’s efforts to engage the State Department about lifting sanctions “almost as soon as they took office.” Their efforts were halted by State Department officials and members of Congress. Following the inauguration, Cohen was involved, again with Felix Sater, to engage in back-channel negotiations seeking a means to lift sanctions via a semi-developed Russian-Ukrainian plan (which also included the hand delivery of derogatory information on Ukrainian leaders) also fits with Orbis reporting related to Cohen.
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The quid pro quo as alleged in the dossier was for the Trump team to “sideline” the Ukrainian issue in the campaign. We learned subsequently the Trump platform committee changed only a single plank in the 60-page Republican platform prior to the Republican convention. Of the hundreds of Republican positions and proposals, they altered only the single sentence that called for maintaining or increasing sanctions against Russia, increasing aid for Ukraine and “providing lethal defensive weapons” to the Ukrainian military. The Trump team changed the wording to the more benign, “appropriate assistance.”

Consider, in addition, the Orbis report saying that Russia was utilizing hackers to influence voters and referring to payments to “hackers who had worked in Europe under Kremlin direction against the Clinton campaign.” A January 2017 Stanford study found that “fabricated stories favoring Donald Trump were shared a total of 30 million times, nearly quadruple the number of pro-Hillary Clinton shares leading up to the election.” Also, in November, researchers at Oxford University published a report based on analysis of 19.4 million Twitter posts from early November prior to the election. The report found that an “automated army of pro-Trump chatbots overwhelmed Clinton bots five to one in the days leading up to the presidential election.” In March 2017, former FBI agent Clint Watts told Congress about websites involved in the Russian disinformation campaign “some of which mysteriously operate from Eastern Europe and are curiously led by pro-Russian editors of unknown financing.”

The Orbis report also refers specifically to the aim of the Russian influence campaign “to swing supporters of Bernie Sanders away from Hillary Clinton and across to Trump,” based on information given to Steele in early August 2016. It was not until March 2017, however, that former director of the National Security Agency, retired Gen. Keith Alexander in Senate testimony said of the Russian influence campaign, “what they were trying to do is to drive a wedge within the Democratic Party between the Clinton group and the Sanders group.” A March 2017 news report also detailed that Sanders supporter’s social media sites were infiltrated by fake news, originating from “dubious websites and posters linked back to Eastern Europe,” that tried to shift them against Clinton during the general election. John Mattes, a former Senate investigator who helped run the online campaign for Sanders, said he was struck by Steele’s report. Mattes said, Steele “was writing in real time about things I was seeing happening in August, but I couldn’t articulate until September.” It is important to emphasize here that Steele’s source for the change in plan was “an ethnic Russian associate of Republican US presidential candidate Donald Trump [who] discussed the reaction inside his camp.”

A slew of other revelations has directly tied many of the key players in the Trump campaign – most notably Paul Manafort, Carter Page, Michael Cohen, and Michael Flynn – who are specifically mentioned in the Orbis reports to Russian officials also mentioned in the reports. To take one example, the first report says that Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov was responsible for Russia’s compromising materials on Hillary Clinton, and now we have reports that Michael Cohen had contacted Peskov directly in January 2016 seeking help with a Trump business deal in Moscow (after Cohen received the email from Trump business associate Felix Sater saying “Our boy can become president of the USA and we can engineer it. I will get all of Putin’s team to buy in on this.”). To take another example, the third Orbis report says that Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort was managing the connection with the Kremlin, and we now know that he was present at the June 9, 2016 meeting with Donald Trump, Jr., Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya and Rinat Akhmetshin, who has reportedly boasted of his ties to ties and experience in Soviet intelligence and counterintelligence. According to a recent New York Times story, “Akhmetshin told journalists that he was a longtime acquaintance of Paul J. Manafort.”

Welcome back. anyone that believes the story from the right wing media that the Steele dossier is debunked is a willful idiot. Remember the story went from Russian collusion is fake news to "okay yes we collided with a foreign governement, but who cares?" Trump is about to be exposed the question is does this hit him directly?

[Wizardspride]

Chuck grassly:

darrell issa (house oversite cmte): Eric Holder and HRC had conflicts of interests and should have recused themselves from this decision, and the organization, Uranium One, was under current investigation while deal was signed.

Darrell Issa is a partisan hack but I think I MIGHT agree with him in this case.

I'll have to delve more into this subject but the optics aren't good.

[Pointgod]

The Canadian resources of uranium are the best in the world with the mines in Saskatchewan yielding 20% where the rest of the worlds supply is much, much lower grade.

Still, it’s somewhat disingenuous to say this uranium is now Russia’s, to do with what it pleases, or to suggest that any amount of the uranium will end up in Iran. The current licenses – held by the US-based subsidiaries and approved by the US Nuclear Regulatory Commission – do not allow exports from any U1H US facility.

The truth is, the US uranium industry as its currently built isn’t all that American. In fact, it’s mostly Canadian. Qualms over perceived threats to national security are misplaced, though not entirely admissible. The deal further illustrates an already pronounced trend of the decline of US nuclear capabilities and influence at all stages of the nuclear fuel cycle.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-07/does-russia-really-own-20-us-uranium-reserves

I really don't know if SD20 knows anything about Kazakhstan which has a large Russian minority about 20% and while titular democracy it is basically run by Nursultan Nazarbayev since it's independence from in 2019. I have visited Kazakhstan once to see a Canadian mining engineer friend and some Kazakh friends I met in China. Kazakhstan does sell resources oil, gas,minerals to both China and Russia and the economy has been hard hit because of the drop in oil prices which invigorated the economy. Canadians do have a large part in mining since we are one of the best in the world at it. But now China has much more of a influence within Kazakhstan than Russia but Russia still has its launch site for space exploration in Kazakhstan.

Just to refute again one of Nate's ideas Kazakhstan is 26% Christian and 70% Muslim while the government does put down religious descent it isn't aimed at one religion in fact it is more against Muslims. I do disagree with the % though I think more of the nation is nonsecular than Muslim. That could be the fact that my Kazakh friends are Baha'i but going around the country I found very little religious zeal and alcohol is everywhere. Friends said Muslim religion is popular because you can get more than one wife.

Yikes even when a hack website like zerohedge gives support to Clintons case this doesn't look good for the rightwing nut cases.

[Wizardspride]

I forgot the link to that info.

Here you go: https://www.justsecurity.org/44697/steele-dossier-knowing/

Really interesting read.

Talks about how intelligence agencies gather intelligence. Also talks about Steele's credibility.

[stilldropin20]

Chuck grassly:

darrell issa (house oversite cmte): Eric Holder and HRC had conflicts of interests and should have recused themselves from this decision, and the organization, Uranium One, was under current investigation while deal was signed.

Darrell Issa is a partisan hack but I think I MIGHT agree with him in this case.

I'll have to delve more into this subject but the optics aren't good.

i would add that trump would not lift this gag order if he doesn't already know what the informant will say.

trump called this the story of the decade yesterday.

Now I have been simply reporting what is being reported. but i also have and have had my own ideas on what relly happened in 2009. and my personal ideas are not that bad of optics. but you can bet yur azz that trump and his team will spin this up so damn dirty the entire obama DOJ is going to have some serious issues. most notably, Rosenstein, Holder, Comey and Lynch.

Next up the Fisa warrant on Trump during the campaign-which almost certainly is going to use info from the steele dossier-which was funded entirely from HRC and the DNC from april 2016 until October 2016. stay tuned!!

[stilldropin20]

House passes budget today!! hours ago. this is the avenue to tax reform.

[cammac]

House passes budget today!! hours ago. this is the avenue to tax reform.

I think the proper response was barely passed the budget!
BTW the Democrats has a 15% lead on the Republicans and that on a FOX Poll so it must be true.

[Pointgod]

Chuck grassly:

darrell issa (house oversite cmte): Eric Holder and HRC had conflicts of interests and should have recused themselves from this decision, and the organization, Uranium One, was under current investigation while deal was signed.

Darrell Issa is a partisan hack but I think I MIGHT agree with him in this case.

I'll have to delve more into this subject but the optics aren't good.

Here's the truth that people like SD20 will never admit or acknowledge. The State department was one of multiple agencies in the US and Canada that had to sign off on this deal and there's no evidence that it was even in Clintons purview.SD20 is straight up lying (like his hero Trump) when he says Clinton sold uranium to Russia. I have debunked this idiotic right wing talking point multiple times. I'm interested in learning how Eric Holder is involved although I can't imagine that he wouldn't keep his nose clean.

Benghazi, the email scandal, Loretta Lynch, Comey, Susan Rice unmasking all of these Republican witch hunts ended up in a big fat nothing. I don't doubt the same with this. I wouldn't believe anything that Fox News reports in regards to this undercover FBI agent, they are known to flat out lie and make false reports. Just like the Seth Rich debacle.

Think about why all of a sudden this is coming out? The whole debacle in Niger was ramping up and now the next couple of weeks will be talking about Hillary Clinton wasting time and resources. I hate to source Salon but it has a pretty good breakdown of exactly how this story gained traction.

https://www.salon.com/2017/10/25/how-steve-bannon-and-sean-hannity-ginned-up-the-hillary-clinton-uranium-story/

[Kanyewest]

thats a a bunch of nothing. flat out nothing. not even any luttuce on that nothing burger. nothing there. flyn resigned. manafort was pushed out after weeks. Trump removes dead weight quickly. he's a business man.

manafort was involved in uranium one deal in 2009.

comey and rosenstein are extremely entagled in all of this as well as Eric Holder.

here: ;et me spell this out. The Obama. DOJ. had(up until an hour ago). a. gag. order. on. a. whistle. blower.

trump just lifted that gag order.

git your popcorn ready.

I'm not sure how Manafort being involved in the uranium one deal (or that matter Comey and Holder) liberates Donald Trump from making him his campaign manager. It also took a while for Trump to get rid of Michael Flynn. He fired Sally Yates a day after for suggesting that Flynn may be compromised. Trump also has not signed sanctions against Russia which has been passed by a veto proof majority.

[cammac]

Everyday I worry in a fit of rage Trump pushes the button.
Has the military aid who holds the football have enough guts to stop him?
The simple solution is H.R.669 — 115th Congress (2017-2018)

Introduced in House (01/24/2017)

Restricting First Use of Nuclear Weapons Act of 2017

This bill prohibits the President from using the Armed Forces to conduct a first-use nuclear strike unless such strike is conducted pursuant to a congressional declaration of war expressly authorizing such strike.

"First-use nuclear strike" means a nuclear weapons attack against an enemy that is conducted without the President determining that the enemy has first launched a nuclear strike against the United States or a U.S. ally.

The reality is that North Korea has had the bomb for sometime and whether it can make it to North America is still debatable. The reality is that North Korea is not about to give up the bomb and in reality why should they. Qaddafi gave up research in nuclear weapons and his regime was over thrown. Iran signed a deal to stop developing nuclear weapons and Trump wants to abandon the deal while Iran is in international compliance.

Negotiations is the only way to go but Trump and Tillerson have zero credibility. I know living in China for 10 years how incredibly unpopular the Kim regime is with the public in general. But I also know the government likes it as a buffer from the USA on the border of South Korea. Part of any settlement will involve the removal of American Troops from the DMZ. Even a conventional war would be devastating to South Korea with Seoul being 35 miles from the DMZ. Part of a deal is that China under the UN would move troops onto the Northern Border of Korea to enforce the treaty. Lift some sanctions and let North Korea develop and nothing changes a nation more than consumerism whether it is Chinese or Western capitalism. I'm sure the Chinese government would like Kim removed he is a headache that China doesn't need. I'm sure they will find away for regime change if international tensions are removed.

[stilldropin20]

thats a a bunch of nothing. flat out nothing. not even any luttuce on that nothing burger. nothing there. flyn resigned. manafort was pushed out after weeks. Trump removes dead weight quickly. he's a business man.

manafort was involved in uranium one deal in 2009.

comey and rosenstein are extremely entagled in all of this as well as Eric Holder.

here: ;et me spell this out. The Obama. DOJ. had(up until an hour ago). a. gag. order. on. a. whistle. blower.

trump just lifted that gag order.

git your popcorn ready.

I'm not sure how Manafort being involved in the uranium one deal (or that matter Comey and Holder) liberates Donald Trump from making him his campaign manager. It also took a while for Trump to get rid of Michael Flynn. He fired Sally Yates a day after for suggesting that Flynn may be compromised. Trump also has not signed sanctions against Russia which has been passed by a veto proof majority.

It's simple man afford entangled with clinton-obama arrow mess try to also and Tangle Trump in the same mess

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[stilldropin20]

Everyday I worry in a fit of rage Trump pushes the button.
Has the military aid who holds the football have enough guts to stop him?
The simple solution is H.R.669 — 115th Congress (2017-2018)

Introduced in House (01/24/2017)

Restricting First Use of Nuclear Weapons Act of 2017

This bill prohibits the President from using the Armed Forces to conduct a first-use nuclear strike unless such strike is conducted pursuant to a congressional declaration of war expressly authorizing such strike.

"First-use nuclear strike" means a nuclear weapons attack against an enemy that is conducted without the President determining that the enemy has first launched a nuclear strike against the United States or a U.S. ally.

The reality is that North Korea has had the bomb for sometime and whether it can make it to North America is still debatable. The reality is that North Korea is not about to give up the bomb and in reality why should they. Qaddafi gave up research in nuclear weapons and his regime was over thrown. Iran signed a deal to stop developing nuclear weapons and Trump wants to abandon the deal while Iran is in international compliance.

Negotiations is the only way to go but Trump and Tillerson have zero credibility. I know living in China for 10 years how incredibly unpopular the Kim regime is with the public in general. But I also know the government likes it as a buffer from the USA on the border of South Korea. Part of any settlement will involve the removal of American Troops from the DMZ. Even a conventional war would be devastating to South Korea with Seoul being 35 miles from the DMZ. Part of a deal is that China under the UN would move troops onto the Northern Border of Korea to enforce the treaty. Lift some sanctions and let North Korea develop and nothing changes a nation more than consumerism whether it is Chinese or Western capitalism. I'm sure the Chinese government would like Kim removed he is a headache that China doesn't need. I'm sure they will find away for regime change if international tensions are removed.

That pretty much makes you a North Korean sympathizer.

Why should they give up their nuclear bomb?!!!!!!

Sad bro.

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[DCZards]

i would add that trump would not lift this gag order if he doesn't already know what the informant will say.

trump called this the story of the decade yesterday.

Now I have been simply reporting what is being reported. but i also have and have had my own ideas on what relly happened in 2009. and my personal ideas are not that bad of optics. but you can bet yur azz that trump and his team will spin this up so damn dirty the entire obama DOJ is going to have some serious issues. most notably, Rosenstein, Holder, Comey and Lynch.

Next up the Fisa warrant on Trump during the campaign-which almost certainly is going to use info from the steele dossier-which was funded entirely from HRC and the DNC from april 2016 until October 2016. stay tuned!!

No, the "story of the decade" is that the USA somehow elected the class clown president.

[cammac]

Everyday I worry in a fit of rage Trump pushes the button.
Has the military aid who holds the football have enough guts to stop him?
The simple solution is H.R.669 — 115th Congress (2017-2018)

Introduced in House (01/24/2017)

Restricting First Use of Nuclear Weapons Act of 2017

This bill prohibits the President from using the Armed Forces to conduct a first-use nuclear strike unless such strike is conducted pursuant to a congressional declaration of war expressly authorizing such strike.

"First-use nuclear strike" means a nuclear weapons attack against an enemy that is conducted without the President determining that the enemy has first launched a nuclear strike against the United States or a U.S. ally.

The reality is that North Korea has had the bomb for sometime and whether it can make it to North America is still debatable. The reality is that North Korea is not about to give up the bomb and in reality why should they. Qaddafi gave up research in nuclear weapons and his regime was over thrown. Iran signed a deal to stop developing nuclear weapons and Trump wants to abandon the deal while Iran is in international compliance.

Negotiations is the only way to go but Trump and Tillerson have zero credibility. I know living in China for 10 years how incredibly unpopular the Kim regime is with the public in general. But I also know the government likes it as a buffer from the USA on the border of South Korea. Part of any settlement will involve the removal of American Troops from the DMZ. Even a conventional war would be devastating to South Korea with Seoul being 35 miles from the DMZ. Part of a deal is that China under the UN would move troops onto the Northern Border of Korea to enforce the treaty. Lift some sanctions and let North Korea develop and nothing changes a nation more than consumerism whether it is Chinese or Western capitalism. I'm sure the Chinese government would like Kim removed he is a headache that China doesn't need. I'm sure they will find away for regime change if international tensions are removed.

That pretty much makes you a North Korean sympathizer.

Why should they give up their nuclear bomb?!!!!!!

Sad bro.

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[cammac]

SD20 so now I sympathies with Kim Jong-un your reading ability is abysmal and your cognitive reasoning ability are non existent. No where in my dialogue did I praise the regime and then by your standards Donald Trump is a traitor and a North Korean sympathizer because he did praise the dictator. My conclusion is that a diplomatic solution could be made but it would need to have fresh thinking which obviously you are so entrenched in Trumpism dogma to understand. Possibly a remedial reading program might be of assistance but then maybe not.

[cammac]

SD20 my wife lived in a time of the cultural revolution in China and she knows 1st hand of the problems with a violent dogmatic regime. She is a fervently against the past and current communist regime in China. So enough of your GI Joe blowhard BS.

[Kanyewest]

It's simple man afford entangled with clinton-obama arrow mess try to also and Tangle Trump in the same mess

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I don't think Obama/Clinton are entangling Trump in this mess. Trump is doing it on his own. And he seems unwilliing to investigate it because he's implicated in it himself.

[stilldropin20]

It's simple man afford entangled with clinton-obama arrow mess try to also and Tangle Trump in the same mess

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I don't think Obama/Clinton are entangling Trump in this mess. Trump is doing it on his own. And he seems unwilliing to investigate it because he's implicated in it himself.

Trump is not implicated at all. Not even in the slightest. Manafort was with him for three weeks. Period. there are 5 different Congressional hearings/investigations going on to find Trump Russia collision. this as well as Muller as the independent counselor. There is nothing there. We are almost one year into these Congressional hearings. Everyone who was going to testify has already come forth and testified. months have passed since the last person testified.

All they have is Don Jr Kushner took a 25 minute meeting with someone who claimed that have dirt on Hillary. That's a nothing burger.

There is something there with manafort however. And that something are his ties to the podesta group going back to 2009. You do know who podsta is, right?!! The podesta group is part of the 2009 and 2010 uranium one deal negotiations. That's where the paper trail has taken us and that's where the money Trail has taken us. That's where the evidence went. And that's why the gag order was lifted this morning by Trump himself.

I'm guessing that the Obama Administration tried to tango Trump up in the same Mess by having Mana Fort work with the Trump campaign and try to get Flynn involved. Tangled Trump up in the same mess that Obama and Clinton are already entangled.

This ain't Trump's first rodeo. he didn't fall for it. I know you guys like to think that somehow this billionaire is stupid. But he clearly isn't.

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