Eric Bledsoe

[handsome salary]

Move him soon. He is not needed and not wanted. Never having to see his pouty expression anymore will be great.
Just like the Morris twins. All are very charmless lads.

[denial]

Sounds good in theory, but good luck attracting any free agents after that.

You would have a point, if we attracted free agents currently, which we do not.

We have not "attracted" any free agents since Steve Nash from what I can remember. Not sure what it is we have to lose.

If we have a winning system people will wanna play here.

And like I said, we would not be the beneficiaries here. My theory is we would sacrifice for the benefit of the league in the age of player collusion and super teams.

[bwgood77]

I would at least hold out to the trade deadline unless you get a fair offer after Dec 15th or Jan 15th when more names become available (thought the second list is small and inconsequential).

At that point, I don't take players that are useless (Faried, Mudiay) or anyone else and strictly go for expiring contracts and the best pick you can get. It may take a 3 team deal to do that or something.

Or even if we could get most of it expiring this year and a smaller amount next year, at least it gives us cap space to work with.

So rather than useless players (Henson, Mudiay, Faried, any Knicks players outside of Willy/Frank) then we might as well just trade for Monroe and their pick, and add in Wilson if we can't get Maker and of course Brogdon. We could then waive someone or trade Peters to the Bucks or something.

[bwgood77]

Sounds good in theory, but good luck attracting any free agents after that.

You would have a point, if we attracted free agents currently, which we do not.

We have not "attracted" any free agents since Steve Nash from what I can remember. Not sure what it is we have to lose.

If we have a winning system people will wanna play here.

And like I said, we would not be the beneficiaries here. My theory is we would sacrifice for the benefit of the league in the age of player collusion and super teams.

C'mon, we've gotten such huge names as IT (though that was worked as a S&T), Telly, Leuer, Chandler, Dudley and probably more, especially some smaller names I'm sure.

[Banana Milk]

Sounds good in theory, but good luck attracting any free agents after that.

You would have a point, if we attracted free agents currently, which we do not.

We have not "attracted" any free agents since Steve Nash from what I can remember. Not sure what it is we have to lose.

If we have a winning system people will wanna play here.

And like I said, we would not be the beneficiaries here. My theory is we would sacrifice for the benefit of the league in the age of player collusion and super teams.

Hey, what about a washed up Tyson Chandler and a couple of re-treads in Dudley and Barbosa?

I see your point, we could make a stand. Problem is, I can't see the rest of the league following suit, which just makes us less desirable after holding players "hostage" (ridiculous I know, considering a contract goes 2 ways and they signed it).

[bigfoot]

It just doesn't make any sense to trade Bledsoe for a young prospect right now or even the 2018 Nets pick which is now fully up in the air as to where it will land.

The best thing we can do is get a couple of future picks (2-3 years out) and let our current crop of young players develop under Coach Jay. We already have five picks next year. There is no room on the team for those five picks plus another young player and another 2018 1st round pick.

James 27 - Ulis 21
Booker 20 - Reed 22 - Knight 25 - Daniels - 26
Warren 24 - JJ 20 - DJJ 20
Chriss 20 - Bender 19 - Dudley 32 - Peters 22
Chandler 35 - Len 24 - Williams 24

Next year we are gonna have to draft and stash European players with our three 2nd round picks and figure out who to dump with our two incoming first round picks.

I'm not sure why you think all these guys are cornerstones, particularly Knight, DJJ, Dudley, Peters, Len, Chandler, and even to a lesser extent James and Daniels. We also haven't even seen Reed play yet. For all we know he's a bust.

There is zero reason not to try to upgrade talent any chance you get. I can't see many Bulls, Hawks, etc, fans saying "we have a full roster and just don't need any more players. We are all set."

The real point is if we trade Bledsoe for what you believe is a cornerstone piece whose minutes does this player take?

SG is set
SF is set
PF is set or least we need to see what we have

PG maybe but James and Ulis are doing a good job of running the offense and I really don't want a shoot first point guard who wants to pound the ball so he can prove himself. These two have gotten the offense moving for our possible cornerstones at SG/SF/PF.

C maybe but Chandler is not moveable, Len can not be traded without his permission. And we need some vets to help steer these young guys in the right direction.

I don't see a fit for any young player we get that is going to improve our team. Chandler and Len are going to be better than any young C prospect that we can get. No playing time there. Brogdon would be the best fit for us but I don't see the Bucks trading him for an oft-injured Bledsoe who wants a Max contract extension. I'm saying any prospect out there riding the bench right now probably isn't going to be able work into the Suns rotation and any prospect out there starting/playing at a decent level (e.g., Brodgon) is probably not gonna be traded to us. Bledsoe for an expiring and cash (players we can waive) and future draft picks is a much more likely scenario.

[bwgood77]

It just doesn't make any sense to trade Bledsoe for a young prospect right now or even the 2018 Nets pick which is now fully up in the air as to where it will land.

The best thing we can do is get a couple of future picks (2-3 years out) and let our current crop of young players develop under Coach Jay. We already have five picks next year. There is no room on the team for those five picks plus another young player and another 2018 1st round pick.

James 27 - Ulis 21
Booker 20 - Reed 22 - Knight 25 - Daniels - 26
Warren 24 - JJ 20 - DJJ 20
Chriss 20 - Bender 19 - Dudley 32 - Peters 22
Chandler 35 - Len 24 - Williams 24

Next year we are gonna have to draft and stash European players with our three 2nd round picks and figure out who to dump with our two incoming first round picks.

I'm not sure why you think all these guys are cornerstones, particularly Knight, DJJ, Dudley, Peters, Len, Chandler, and even to a lesser extent James and Daniels. We also haven't even seen Reed play yet. For all we know he's a bust.

There is zero reason not to try to upgrade talent any chance you get. I can't see many Bulls, Hawks, etc, fans saying "we have a full roster and just don't need any more players. We are all set."

The real point is if we trade Bledsoe for what you believe is a cornerstone piece whose minutes does this player take?

SG is set
SF is set
PF is set or least we need to see what we have

PG maybe but James and Ulis are doing a good job of running the offense and I really don't want a shoot first point guard who wants to pound the ball so he can prove himself. These two have gotten the offense moving for our possible cornerstones at SG/SF/PF.

C maybe but Chandler is not moveable, Len can not be traded without his permission. And we need some vets to help steer these young guys in the right direction.

I don't see a fit for any young player we get that is going to improve our team. Chandler and Len are going to be better than any young C prospect that we can get. No playing time there. Brogdon would be the best fit for us but I don't see the Bucks trading him for an oft-injured Bledsoe who wants a Max contract extension. I'm saying any prospect out there riding the bench right now probably isn't going to be able work into the Suns rotation and any prospect out there starting/playing at a decent level (e.g., Brodgon) is probably not gonna be traded to us. Bledsoe for an expiring and cash (players we can waive) and future draft picks is a much more likely scenario.

It's not so much for me about who will get playing time now, but who could be part of our future? For example, Alec Peters is a PF who is probably never going to be more than and end of bench guy. With Milwaukee maybe we get DJ Wilson, the 17th pick in the 2017 draft. Do I want him to take time from Chriss/Bledsoe? No, but maybe be the third stringer or possibly supplant one if we ever traded one for a star (not that I want to) but it's likely a pretty big upgrade from Peters.

I'm not worried about someone taking Chandler's time, because he probably won't play much longer, and shouldn't on a team like ours, and Len is in his last year. I don't think we would end up getting a future center in a trade, unless we trade with one of the teams not rumored. Sure, possibly Willy Hernagomez or we could get Kyle O'Quinn, but neither are probably cornerstones. But I don't consider Chandler or Len a long term part of our future, even though I wouldn't mind it with Len. But no player has ever re-signed with a team after playing with the QO. Maybe we'd be the first. Who knows? But it might be good to get another C instead of go into the future with just Big Sauce.

We definitely need a PG if we trade him. James had one great game and one really bad one. I imagine he is destined at best to be a backup at best...maybe a good one, but a backup. Ulis won't be a worthy starter if you ever want to be good.

Do you want to be a really good team or just field a full roster? Do you think our roster right now, as is, will grow in to a contender or playoff team any time soon?

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I don't think Brogdon will ever be as good as Bledsoe. So I think I'd turn down that deal. I think we can do better.

[bwgood77]

I don't think Brogdon will ever be as good as Bledsoe. So I think I'd turn down that deal. I think we can do better.

He's a better shooter and probably a better passer, and definitely a better team player already but he may not be as good as an individual player or getting to the rim and to the line and that kind of stuff, but he his a higher iq player.

But to your main point, if you think we are going to get a player as good as Bledsoe then you are likely to be disappointed. We might get a pick or rookie that has a very very slim chance of ever being as good as Bledsoe, but that's probably about it.

I don't think they will trade Brogdon for him, but I hope they do.

[lilfishi22]

I don't think Brogdon will ever be as good as Bledsoe. So I think I'd turn down that deal. I think we can do better.

It's highly possible we won't get equal value for Bledsoe in a trade. Bledsoe is already at his peak and most importantly, he wants out. Brogdon is the kind of steady young player we want next to Booker. Whether Brogdon is as good as Bledsoe to me isn't really a factor. As long as Brogdon can do what we expect of him (shoot, pass, defend, complement Booker) and continue to improve, we're already getting more value than Bledsoe.

[jcsunsfan]

The Bucks board has and 80 page thread on Bledsoe, that started last week!! Good grief.

BTW. They do not want to trade Brogdon for Bledsoe. They think Thon is enough.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I don't think Brogdon will ever be as good as Bledsoe. So I think I'd turn down that deal. I think we can do better.

It's highly possible we won't get equal value for Bledsoe in a trade. Bledsoe is already at his peak and most importantly, he wants out. Brogdon is the kind of steady young player we want next to Booker. Whether Brogdon is as good as Bledsoe to me isn't really a factor. As long as Brogdon can do what we expect of him (shoot, pass, defend, complement Booker) and continue to improve, we're already getting more value than Bledsoe.

Meh. I'd prefer two distant, protected future firsts.

[jcsunsfan]

I don't think Brogdon will ever be as good as Bledsoe. So I think I'd turn down that deal. I think we can do better.

It's highly possible we won't get equal value for Bledsoe in a trade. Bledsoe is already at his peak and most importantly, he wants out. Brogdon is the kind of steady young player we want next to Booker. Whether Brogdon is as good as Bledsoe to me isn't really a factor. As long as Brogdon can do what we expect of him (shoot, pass, defend, complement Booker) and continue to improve, we're already getting more value than Bledsoe.

Brogdon is not the star type of player that Bledsoe is, he cannot take over a game like Bledsoe can. But he is a solid player and a complete one that would be a good fit along side Booker. I think Bledsoe would be great with Giannis. If there was a trade with those two pieces as the major components, both teams would end up being happy about it.

[Kerrsed]

The Bucks board has and 80 page thread on Bledsoe, that started last week!! Good grief.

BTW. They do not want to trade Brogdon for Bledsoe. They think Thon is enough.

Please, ive read all 80 pages, and there is only a handful that want to give up Thon.

Like 85% of the board thinks that some combo of DJ/Henson/Telly/Delly/Monroe and thier 1st gets it done. Hell, you even have a bunch that dont want Moroes $17M expiring included!

And on top of it all, a lot of them feel that IF Thon is included, that they wouldnt have to give up their pick. Even seen quite a few mention that its either DJ (Rookie) OR the 2018 1st. Its crazy, they want the world all for a few bad contracts that they desperately want to get rid of.

[jcsunsfan]

The Bucks board has and 80 page thread on Bledsoe, that started last week!! Good grief.

BTW. They do not want to trade Brogdon for Bledsoe. They think Thon is enough.

Please, ive read all 80 pages, and there is only a handful that want to give up Thon.

Like 85% of the board thinks that some combo of DJ/Henson/Telly/Delly/Monroe and thier 1st gets it done. Hell, you even have a bunch that dont want Moroes $17M expiring included!

And on top of it all, a lot of them feel that IF Thon is included, that they wouldnt have to give up their pick. Even seen quite a few mention that its either DJ (Rookie) OR the 2018 1st. Its crazy, they want the world all for a few bad contracts that they desperately want to get rid of.

Thon is not good. And Kerrsed, dude, all 80 pages? you need to get a life.

[Kerrsed]

The Bucks board has and 80 page thread on Bledsoe, that started last week!! Good grief.

BTW. They do not want to trade Brogdon for Bledsoe. They think Thon is enough.

Please, ive read all 80 pages, and there is only a handful that want to give up Thon.

Like 85% of the board thinks that some combo of DJ/Henson/Telly/Delly/Monroe and thier 1st gets it done. Hell, you even have a bunch that dont want Moroes $17M expiring included!

And on top of it all, a lot of them feel that IF Thon is included, that they wouldnt have to give up their pick. Even seen quite a few mention that its either DJ (Rookie) OR the 2018 1st. Its crazy, they want the world all for a few bad contracts that they desperately want to get rid of.

Thon is not good. And Kerrsed, dude, all 80 pages? you need to get a life.

I agree (I do need to get a life!)

Thats 80+ pages since Bledsoe's tweet. Im not counting all the pages i went through on the Magic/Nuggets/Pistons/Trade/General boards either.

As for Thon, its not that he's not good, he has potential and is really really raw, but with him being 35 years old the question is will he ever reach that full potential he has and how much longer will it take?

[churqui]

Hi, I'm new at the forum and I would like to present myself, I don't know if there is any special thread for that.
Sorry for my use of the language because I'm Spanish, and as a good spaniard I'm really bad with english, hehe.

Well, I'm happy for the position of the team regarding Bledsoe, he has a relative low wage and he should be a sweet product for any other franchise so we need to get in return the best we can.

[Fo-Real]

Hi, I'm new at the forum and I would like to present myself, I don't know if there is any special thread for that.
Sorry for my use of the language because I'm Spanish, and as a good spaniard I'm really bad with english, hehe.

Well, I'm happy for the position of the team regarding Bledsoe, he has a relative low wage and he should be a sweet product for any other franchise so we need to get in return the best we can.

Feels like a set up man. If you are truly new, Welcome!! If you are a previously banned crazy dude, then this is hilarious and reeks of Bobby Valentine disguising himself and sitting in the Dugout after being ejected and is **** hilarious! Either way, good times and enjoy!

[churqui]

Feels like a set up man. If you are truly new, Welcome!! If you are a previously banned crazy dude, then this is hilarious and reeks of Bobby Valentine disguising himself and sitting in the Dugout after being ejected and is **** hilarious! Either way, good times and enjoy!

Thanks, @Fo-Real.

Look, for example, I don't understand what you are saying about Bobby Valentine because I even don't know who is he, hehe, but it sounds funny anyway. The few I know about USA is about NBA and some tv series, xD.

I guess you won't never know if I were banned . I used to read the forum, but I have usually few things to say, so you won't see me here frequently. Then you can consider this if I were "one of them" .

[mlloyd10]

The Bucks board has and 80 page thread on Bledsoe, that started last week!! Good grief.

BTW. They do not want to trade Brogdon for Bledsoe. They think Thon is enough.

Please, ive read all 80 pages, and there is only a handful that want to give up Thon.

Like 85% of the board thinks that some combo of DJ/Henson/Telly/Delly/Monroe and thier 1st gets it done. Hell, you even have a bunch that dont want Moroes $17M expiring included!

And on top of it all, a lot of them feel that IF Thon is included, that they wouldnt have to give up their pick. Even seen quite a few mention that its either DJ (Rookie) OR the 2018 1st. Its crazy, they want the world all for a few bad contracts that they desperately want to get rid of.

As a bucks fan, i would do Delly/Thon/2019 1st