Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 2

[lilfishi22]

Suns trade: Bledsoe
Suns get: Brogdon/Tele/BK First

Bucks trade: Brogdon/Tele
Bucks get: IT/Frye

Cavs trade: IT/Frye/BK First
Cavs get: Bledsoe

I think Brogdon would be a good fit here. He does a little of everything, and will improve. We eat the rest of Tele's contract, and take a gamble on the BK pick. It could fall anywhere between mid lotto and mid first.

Bucks add firepower at the PG slot. Letting Giannis be he facilitator would allow IT to go off on offense. They swap out one of their not so great contracts for Frye's expiring, and dont have to give up a pick

Bledsoe goes to a contender. Seems he wanted to go here anyways, and this might keep Lebron happy enough to stay.

We come out like absolute thieves. Brogdon AND BK 1st! Sign me up!

[jcsunsfan]

Nm

[Biff]

Suns trade: Bledsoe
Suns get: Brogdon/Tele/BK First

Bucks trade: Brogdon/Tele
Bucks get: IT/Frye

Cavs trade: IT/Frye/BK First
Cavs get: Bledsoe

I think Brogdon would be a good fit here. He does a little of everything, and will improve. We eat the rest of Tele's contract, and take a gamble on the BK pick. It could fall anywhere between mid lotto and mid first.

Bucks add firepower at the PG slot. Letting Giannis be he facilitator would allow IT to go off on offense. They swap out one of their not so great contracts for Frye's expiring, and dont have to give up a pick

Bledsoe goes to a contender. Seems he wanted to go here anyways, and this might keep Lebron happy enough to stay.

Why would Cleveland trade the 2 most important assets they received in the Kyrie Irving trade for Bledsoe when they could have traded Irving to us for Bledsoe and another asset? This trade makes very little sense but I guess it's good to dream.

[Kerrsed]

I would trade Bledsoe to the Cavs for the right to swap our and BKN pick in case no good young player/pick is on the table. I'm worried for a fluke season now that the team is playing better without Bledsoe. I want that top 5 pick in next year's draft.

For the right to swap picks?!?!? WTF???

Nah, they would have to include it no matter what.

I still think our best bet is to approach Cleveland. Lebron needs help. Rose/Wade aint cutting it. IT does him no good sitting at home rehabbing and hopefully being 100% by the time the all-star game rolls around (Giving the Cavs about a month to try to incorporate him in to their system). TT gives them a young Drummond replacement on a much better contract. He's still a kid who grabs a ton of rebounds in limited minutes and is a decent defender.

They send IT and TT to Detroit, where im sure they will be fine losing one more season and getting a good pick, all while being even more than fine to give Mr. Almost MVP the Brinx Truck payday he's looking for. They reunite him with Bradley. GG.

We get Drummond/Shumpert.

Cleveland gets Lebrons buddy for the next 2 season on a great deal. Rich Paul is happy. Lebrons happy. Pretty much they turned Irving into Bledsoe/Crowder/Zizic/Nets 1st. Still a great haul and they didnt even have to wait for IT to heal or worry about paying him a large sum in the offseason (Which i already doubt they plan on doing anyway). They also get Chandler to fill in the spot minutes at back-up C, seeming how Love is playing great there and getting all the minutes he can handle.

Badabing. 3 teams, 6 players, all teams win.

[bwgood77]

What do you guys think is a good player comp for Brogdon?

I, admittedly, haven't watched him much. But based on what I've seen and read, Chauncey Billups comes to mind. (Obviously CB accomplished a ton more, but I'm talking about style of play).

Maybe a smaller Joe Johnson who is a better passer? I don't know, he's had some triple doubles and his best trait is shooting but that was the first name that came to mind...Phx version of JJ..not quite as good as JJ in 2004-5...maybe like as good the year before or something.

[asudevil]

Suns trade: Bledsoe
Suns get: Brogdon/Tele/BK First

Bucks trade: Brogdon/Tele
Bucks get: IT/Frye

Cavs trade: IT/Frye/BK First
Cavs get: Bledsoe

I think Brogdon would be a good fit here. He does a little of everything, and will improve. We eat the rest of Tele's contract, and take a gamble on the BK pick. It could fall anywhere between mid lotto and mid first.

Bucks add firepower at the PG slot. Letting Giannis be he facilitator would allow IT to go off on offense. They swap out one of their not so great contracts for Frye's expiring, and dont have to give up a pick

Bledsoe goes to a contender. Seems he wanted to go here anyways, and this might keep Lebron happy enough to stay.

Why would Cleveland trade the 2 most important assets they received in the Kyrie Irving trade for Bledsoe when they could have traded Irving to us for Bledsoe and another asset? This trade makes very little sense but I guess it's good to dream.

a.) Cavs are 3-2. IT does them very little while sitting at home rehabbing. Bledsoe instantly gives them a quality PG, something that they clearly lack at the moment.
b.) 2 months ago that BK pick looked golden. Granted, things could change in a few weeks...but today there is a chance that pick not only isnt TOP5, but may not be a lotto pick at all. With the east as weak as it is, BK could sneak into the playoffs.
c.) IT's contract situation. After this season he's a FA. Is Cleveland willing to pay him $20mil+ next year? Bledsoe is under their control for 2 years, instead of 1.
d.) Right now for some reason, Lebron needs to play almost 40 mins a night for them to win. We all say that the reg season means nothing, and teams turn it on in the playoffs....but right now, Lebron seems to be the only one whose switch is on. He clearly needs help NOW.
e.) A year from today, the only thing Cleveland may have to show for the Kyrie trade is Crowder/mid first.

For Milwaukee. With the east as weak as it is, they probably only need to hover around .500 for the next month or so. Then they'd get IT. Then a month or two after that Jabari is back. They'd have plenty of time to make a push with 2 quality starters added to the roster.

Additionally, swapping Tele for Frye clears an additional $10.5mil in salary for next year that could be used to resign both Jabari and Thomas without killing their cap.

[sunsbum]

What do you guys think is a good player comp for Brogdon?

I, admittedly, haven't watched him much. But based on what I've seen and read, Chauncey Billups comes to mind. (Obviously CB accomplished a ton more, but I'm talking about style of play).

Maybe a smaller Joe Johnson who is a better passer? I don't know, he's had some triple doubles and his best trait is shooting but that was the first name that came to mind...Phx version of JJ..not quite as good as JJ in 2004-5...maybe like as good the year before or something.

Reminds me of Chauncy Billups/Sam Cassell.

[Saberestar]

I have seen MKGs name floated by Matt Moore and others. Total hypothetical.

MKG for Bledsoe. Who needs to add value?

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He'd be redundant with both Jackson and TJ.. Odd trade IMO

I would think he would play more as a small ball center or four man next to a stretchy 5 like Bender.

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With Jackson and Warren he does not have a roster spot here.

He can not play C at all. He is 6'7...at most he can play a little bit of PF, but we have a couple young players in that position who need to play minutes.

I would not make that trade.

[Saberestar]

What do you guys think is a good player comp for Brogdon?

I, admittedly, haven't watched him much. But based on what I've seen and read, Chauncey Billups comes to mind. (Obviously CB accomplished a ton more, but I'm talking about style of play).

Maybe a smaller Joe Johnson who is a better passer? I don't know, he's had some triple doubles and his best trait is shooting but that was the first name that came to mind...Phx version of JJ..not quite as good as JJ in 2004-5...maybe like as good the year before or something.

Reminds me of Chauncy Billups/Sam Cassell.

All of those players were way better one on one players, better at creating his own shot.

Brogdon is an elite role player, who is always smart with the ball and does not play hero ball. He is serious and takes pride in defense.

Eric Snow comes to my mind as a good comp.

Obviously Brogdon is a better 3p shooter, Snow played on a different era in the NBA when 3p shooting was not that big of a deal, but on all other aspects of their game they are similar IMO.

I really like the idea of having Brogdon, Booker and Ulis together on our backcourt.

[NavLDO]

Wasn't trying to start anything, I was just making an observation. I "know my place" here.

I guess I still need to be 'taught mine'...just let the 'ruling elite' say what they want without challenge, take their lashes, keep my head down.

You're right JMac...better for you to just distance yourself from me...

M'k.

So, you're denying snarkiness, 'yelling', and ridiculing me, when I didn't even address you to begin with? You 'entered' the conversation, when it had nothing to do with you, and you 'yell' at and ridicule me, and are now denying it, or attempting to discount it? M'k. Evidence is out there, bud.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Out of the last 40 All-Stars to debut only 1 played for multiple teams during their rookie contract (Harden).

[grumpysaddle]

Not to backseat mod or anything, but jesus christ dudes, let that argument go.

[jredsaz]

He'd be redundant with both Jackson and TJ.. Odd trade IMO

I would think he would play more as a small ball center or four man next to a stretchy 5 like Bender.

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With Jackson and Warren he does not have a roster spot here.

He can not play C at all. He is 6'7...at most he can play a little bit of PF, but we have a couple young players in that position who need to play minutes.

I would not make that trade.

He has nearly identical size and length to Draymond Green and a defensive pedigree.

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[Saberestar]

I would think he would play more as a small ball center or four man next to a stretchy 5 like Bender.

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With Jackson and Warren he does not have a roster spot here.

He can not play C at all. He is 6'7...at most he can play a little bit of PF, but we have a couple young players in that position who need to play minutes.

I would not make that trade.

He has nearly identical size and length to Draymond Green and a defensive pedigree.

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Draymond is special.
He has a wide and strong body , ala PJ Tucker but a little bit taller, and he knows how to defend interior players (deny angles of passing, boxout, closeout mid range shots, fight for position....).

MKG is a good perimeter defender, he is better chasing screens and he can crash the boards on offense and a little bit on defense BUT he is not an interior defender IMO.

That is why he has never been used in that position on the Hornets, he can not guard Cs.

[jredsaz]

With Jackson and Warren he does not have a roster spot here.

He can not play C at all. He is 6'7...at most he can play a little bit of PF, but we have a couple young players in that position who need to play minutes.

I would not make that trade.

He has nearly identical size and length to Draymond Green and a defensive pedigree.

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Draymond is special.
He has a wide and strong body , ala PJ Tucker but a little bit taller, and he knows how to defend interior players (deny angles of passing, boxout, closeout mid range shots, fight for position....).

MKG is a good perimeter defender, he is better chasing screens and he can crash the boards on offense and a little bit on defense BUT he is not an interior defender IMO.

That is why he has never been used in that position on the Hornets, he can not guard Cs.

I think he hasn't played on the interior much because of the plethora of traditional and non traditional bigs Charlotte has had on their roster over the past five years.

Also, he was drafted #2 overall as a wing who was supposed to develop his offense. That didn't happen. Sometimes it's hard to change expectations/roles of a top 5 pick without changing the team he plays for.

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[Frank Lee]

Not to backseat not or anything, but jesus christ dudes, let that argument go.

'I'll stop the car and paddle some azz right here right now if you two dont......' NavLDOnald ?

(tough crowd )


With a trade inevitable.... wouldn't be surprised if we see a couple players added to this deal ? And less surprised about a third team.

What would Bled and TJ get ? Could this be McD's chance for a big namer ? Suppose Cleve dangled Love or McD targeted him ? Bled/Warren works, Bled/Chandler works..... I know I am one of the few who would like KLove here, and I doubt Cleve would part with him.... but I think Bron would be more effective at PF than PG. I endorse any influx of ball IQ... I think it is imperative to not only add the skill but the knowledge of how to play.

With the rumors swirling, and picks to sprinkle, anything can happen.... heck, even Kerrsed has dropped down from orbit and outlined some decent ones.

[BobbieL]

Not to backseat not or anything, but jesus christ dudes, let that argument go.

'I'll stop the car and paddle some azz right here right now if you two dont......' NavLDOnald ?

(tough crowd )


With a trade inevitable.... wouldn't be surprised if we see a couple players added to this deal ? And less surprised about a third team.

What would Bled and TJ get ? Could this be McD's chance for a big namer ? Suppose Cleve dangled Love or McD targeted him ? Bled/Warren works, Bled/Chandler works..... I know I am one of the few who would like KLove here, and I doubt Cleve would part with him.... but I think Bron would be more effective at PF than PG. I endorse any influx of ball IQ... I think it is imperative to not only add the skill but the knowledge of how to play.

With the rumors swirling, and picks to sprinkle, anything can happen.... heck, even Kerrsed has dropped down from orbit and outlined some decent ones.

I wouldn't hate Love on this team - I think he would be positive. But you are right, I think it takes Chandler

I see this down to two teams: Milwaukee and Cleveland

Does Lebron convince Cavs mgmt. that the Nets pick is worth Bledsoe and say the Heat pick. Or the Milwaukee deal, either the bigger type deal with Chandler, Bledsoe andJones Jr for Teletovic, Monroe, Brogdan or the smaller Tele/Brog for Bled deal


Bledsoe for Shumpert/Frye is pretty easy straightforward. Just read for a deal to happen. Its time - get 'er done Ryan McD

[Jay_Sizzle]

Dream on, Murray isn't leaving DEN for Bledsoe unless the PHX 1st is added on. which we both know won't happen

I hope you don't talk to McD with that mouth!

Why would we want Murray? Dude is a shooter shooting under 30% and 10.5% from 3 this year. Last year shot under 40% overall and under 33% from 3. 33% from 3 is pretty good for non shooters. Not so great for shooters. If he passed or played defense it might be nice, but he's kind of worthless.

I keep wondering the same thing about Jamal Murray. He could be really good -- but I am certainly not seeing it on the court. Falls into the Dragan Bender category of huge potential (and drafted highly because of) but too young to really contribute. Also feel his game is so similar to Booker. Not a good fit for me.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Pass on Murray he's not that good at anything and doesn't compliment Booker.

If there's no one suitable better to get a pick and open the pool up at a later time than get the wrong player.

[bigfoot]

Sadly Love doesn't fit "The Timeline" ... he would be old and gone from the team by the time we are ready to compete with Warriors and other Western Conference powerhouses. Then he gets in the way of the development of Chriss and Bender which is bad too. Now if he would play C and we moved Chandler in the trade then maybe it is a good move for us. My guess is we would have to give up Bledsoe/Chandler/Miami Pick to get Love back. Might even have to take one more throw-in player back to give Cavs a bit more cap relief. I would not expect a draft pick from Cleveland in return as Bledsoe/Chandler for Love straight up seems like the Cavs get screwed in the trade. So we would likely lose a draft pick and then win a bit more and lower our draft position. I'm not sure it is a good long term move for the team.

Still holding out for a Bledsoe for expiring deals, cash, and two future first round picks. I think our 2018 pick, two miami first round picks, three 2018 second round picks, and two future first round picks from a Bledsoe trade would be a pot-of-gold to use in future transactions during the timeline. We would be a legit contender for any big name trade.