GT: Nets (2-2) vs. Cavs (3-1) 7:30 PM EST YES

[3pt_chucker]

Missed the game but saw the highlights.

How was the crowd?

Mostly pro-Nets or mixed with LeBron fanboys? Any Brooklyn chants?

There were a bunch of Cavs/LeBron fans in the upper sections, but still enough Nets fans to have a good atmosphere.

There were a couple Brooklyn chants in the 4th Q and then at the end of the game.

[Antti22]

Alright next up Madison Squate Garden again - another chance to win over more NY fans. I wonder if Rappaport will be there to cheer on Nets in person?

If theres anything to go by in this early season, its that we will probably lose that game, because we kind of expect a win, because Knicks just suck at the moment.
Thats what happened with Memphis, they were 3-0 and killing couple of giants on the way, then lost to 0-4 Dallas . Wizards lost to awful Lakers and Jazz lost to awful Suns team. Not to mention, Cavs lost to us, which they expected a easy win .

Thats why I am already taking the Knicks game as a loss in advance, hope I am wrong tho

[Born_Ready]

I have been really down on Ronde's offense for a long time- but he is clearly working on his offensive game and that is good to see. There is no denying the talent. I just think he needed some confidence and of course some coaching up. Good to see his progression coming along nicely.

[MrDollarBills]

Was RHJ really hitting 3s?

Crazy how much he has improved his game. What a talent.

not only did he hit them, but his release looked clean. No hitch or anything in his shot.

its early but if he can start knocking that down he is going to be a problem for opposing defenses.

[Keith Van Horn]

the Cavs fans are triggered

in response to one of our fellow fans hanging on the rim in their game thread:

Whatever we played like s*** I do know the Cavs better than I know the Nets, what makes you think you're a knowledgeable fan and I'm not?
What happened here was both teams played bad
You run no offense sets whatsoever
You just push the ball and shoot it early in the shot clock I'll play around the world with your passes because you're cutters suck , what I saw from the Nets was so far from what I would consider good basketball, that I would not be surprised if that's why they won as the Cavs had no idea what the hell the Nets were doing.
In all seriousness though they do look motivated & better than I thought they would, so that pick is probably the 2-4 range instead of the guanteed worst by April. Good luck with no pick ****

i removed the poster's name from the quote because I don't want that dude coming over here saying indecent things to us, but this is hilarious.

Wow, what a salty little bitch. Cavs couldn't defend the Nets b/c they didn't know what they were doing. What in god's name kind of excuse is that? And the end had me rolling, good luck with no pick? This guy thinks he's knowledgeable? What a joke.

[Keith Van Horn]

Snapshot of the 2017-18 NBA season right now and where the Nets rank after a week of games? 4th in the Eastern Conference
small sample size, I know, but gone are the days of 0-18, or the last year of JJ where we started what, 0-9 or something?

[MGrand15]

We really need to run more sets for Allen Crabbe. Not necessarily so he gets more shots but his movement and screens just cause a lot of havoc for the defense. When he's on the move, his game is a lot more natural.

I'd also like to see him get more PNR opportunities. He hit a tough pullup 3 yesterday off of one.

Too much standing around still from a guy that's supposed to be stretching his game out.

[MrDollarBills]

^^^seriously. i get pissed when the ball doesn't swing to his side.

he needs to keep using that punk fake dribble drive move. that is guaranteed points every single time.

[steady]

That expression on Din's face when he was taking those FTs to put the game away with a few seconds to go.

It was just ......

LIke, what really is the big deal with nailing FT's under incredible clutch pressure, guys. He looked almost bored.

[CalamityX12]

Snapshot of the 2017-18 NBA season right now and where the Nets rank after a week of games? 4th in the Eastern Conference
small sample size, I know, but gone are the days of 0-18, or the last year of JJ where we started what, 0-9 or something?

[Prokorov]

Thoughts on the game...

-Dinwiddie was great but RHJ was our best player last night. Outstanding on both ends. held love in check and love is one of the best post scorers in the league (so much for "he is too small to defend PFs"). Offensively he only really takes good shots, moves the ball. he has been finishing well. not just this game, he is probably our best player through 5 games on BOTH ends

-Dinwiddie was lights out too. that long deep three was enormous. he hit so many shots right after cleveland got momentum. the play where he pump faked the three. took 1 calm dribbled and drilled the 3 was so composed. like he was in the gym by himself.

-Carool and booker again played like the heart and soul of this team. they back down from no one. some big shots from carroll late.

-Levert and crabbe had a ton of struggles early but they came through late. love to see that. these guys know they can mess up and kenny will show confidence in them so they never sulk or tighten up. crabbe hit a few threes in a row to help extend the lead at the time.

I think Kenny could win coach of the year this season if we can top 30 wins. he has done nothing short of an amazing job with this group. we play so well as a team. 0 selfishness. everyone pulls for everyone.

Me heading over to the cavs boards "nets pick watch thread"
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1608980&start=40

[MrDollarBills]

Don't forget Joey Buckets yall. He hit some straight up bombs last night.

[Princeinrevolt]

We need to work on our free throws... we could have ended the game like 2-3 times but we kept on missing.

[LOUiS-D]

Watch on YouTube

Interview with Spence. He's been on the channel before. Seems like a smart dude.

[Prokorov]

Watch on YouTube

Interview with Spence. He's been on the channel before. Seems like a smart dude.

this is fantastic

[MrDollarBills]

why hasn't Dinwiddie been extended yet? can we not play with fire?? (j/k)

[Prokorov]

why hasn't Dinwiddie been extended yet? can we not play with fire?? (j/k)

we have an option on him. im assuming they will visit that in the offseason

[spaceballer]

why hasn't Dinwiddie been extended yet? can we not play with fire?? (j/k)

we have an option on him. im assuming they will visit that in the offseason

1) He cannot currently be extended. You have to wait for the second anniversary of the signing before you can begin extension talks on this 3yr vet min contract he is currently on. That means you have to wait for next year around December 8th, 2018, or so before you can extend him.

2) There is no team option. It is a psuedo-team option constructed out of a series of partial guarantee dates.

Next season's psuedo team option is identical to this season's in terms of the progessively and gradually guaranteed salary benchmarks. Unlike a team option with guaranteed money that requires a definite commitment to pick up or decline.

This gives the team more flexibility in that the contract's guarantee level only slowly increases, allowing you to back out and cut or trade him at any time. Cutting him before next season starts would be the equivalent of not picking up a team option in practical effect.

It also allows the use of his contract as non-guaranteed money in a trade deal, as opposed to a team option where you may be required to pick up the option and locking in the salary if you want to trade him after the trade deadline has passed but before the begining of free agency.

However, unlike a team option where you can work out a new deal in principal and then decline a team option to make him a free agent to sign that new deal, you cannot do that here with this psuedo team option. If you waive him, some other team will pick him up on the waiver wire for the remaining psuedo team option year. Exercising the psuedo team option by waiving him puts him on the waiver wire instead of making him a FA immediately the way declining a team option would.

The long and short of it is that you have to keep him on the roster (with increasingly guaranteed salary level as the season progresses and those milestones are met) till December of next season (meaning after the off season has passed and the season has begun) before you can sign him to an extension prior to his free agency in a few months. Assuming he can be convinced to do so instead of exploring the market at the end of the season anyway

3) The Nets will have bird rights at the end of the 3yr contract with a small cap hold due to the small size of his contract. So it might make sense to just wait for free agency.

Unless you think you have little need for cap space two summers from now and would rather have the extension locked in instead of the small cap hold on the books. And assuming the Nets think they would get him cheaper with the extension than on the free market...at the simultaneous time that Dinwiddie thinks the Nets offer on December 2018 is more than he can get in the free market rather than if he just waits a few months (less than a season) for the beginning of free agency in July 2019.

All those factors may not line up. So I don't know how likely an extension would be or if it is realistic.

[playteamball]

why hasn't Dinwiddie been extended yet? can we not play with fire?? (j/k)

we have an option on him. im assuming they will visit that in the offseason

1) He cannot currently be extended. You have to wait for the second anniversary of the signing before you can begin extension talks on this 3yr vet min contract he is currently on. That means you have to wait for next year around December 8th, 2018, or so before you can extend him.

2) There is no team option. It is a psuedo-team option constructed out of a series of partial guarantee dates.

Next season's psuedo team option is identical to this season's in terms of the progessively and gradually guaranteed salary benchmarks. Unlike a team option with guaranteed money that requires a definite commitment to pick up or decline.

This gives the team more flexibility in that the contract's guarantee level only slowly increases, allowing you to back out and cut or trade him at any time. Cutting him before next season starts would be the equivalent of not picking up a team option in practical effect.

It also allows the use of his contract as non-guaranteed money in a trade deal, as opposed to a team option where you may be required to pick up the option and locking in the salary if you want to trade him after the trade deadline has passed but before the begining of free agency.

However, unlike a team option where you can work out a new deal in principal and then decline a team option to make him a free agent to sign that new deal, you cannot do that here with this psuedo team option. If you waive him, some other team will pick him up on the waiver wire for the remaining psuedo team option year. Exercising the psuedo team option by waiving him puts him on the waiver wire instead of making him a FA immediately the way declining a team option would.

The long and short of it is that you have to keep him on the roster (with increasingly guaranteed salary level as the season progresses and those milestones are met) till December of next season (meaning after the off season has passed and the season has begun) before you can sign him to an extension prior to his free agency in a few months. Assuming he can be convinced to do so instead of exploring the market at the end of the season anyway

3) The Nets will have bird rights at the end of the 3yr contract with a small cap hold due to the small size of his contract. So it might make sense to just wait for free agency.

Unless you think you have little need for cap space two summers from now and would rather have the extension locked in instead of the small cap hold on the books. And assuming the Nets think they would get him cheaper with the extension than on the free market...at the simultaneous time that Dinwiddie thinks the Nets offer on December 2018 is more than he can get in the free market rather than if he just waits a few months (less than a season) for the beginning of free agency in July 2019.

All those factors may not line up. So I don't know how likely an extension would be or if it is realistic.

Incredibly educational post. I can always rely on Spaceballer for some big time insight on whatever he posts.

[Yit]

Players Performance vs Cavs 25 Oct 2017 by GCP

Dinwiddie - 44 (++)
DMC - 34 (+)
Crabbe - 32 (++)
RHJ - 30 (+)
Booker - 23 (+)
Harris - 13 (=)
CLV - 13 (-)
Acy - 9 (-)
Allen - 4 (-)
Kilpat - 2 (-)
Mozgov - 1 (--)

Caris isn't exactly ready for a starter role and it shows from his GCP. But very well done to the team for beating the Cavs! We really need to find a replacement for Mozgov but Allen will still need more time to develop.... sigh...