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Re: Eric Bledsoe 

Post#881 » by bigfoot » Fri Oct 27, 2017 1:18 pm

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jcsunsfan wrote:The Bucks board has and 80 page thread on Bledsoe, that started last week!! Good grief.

BTW. They do not want to trade Brogdon for Bledsoe. They think Thon is enough.


Please, ive read all 80 pages, and there is only a handful that want to give up Thon.

Like 85% of the board thinks that some combo of DJ/Henson/Telly/Delly/Monroe and thier 1st gets it done. Hell, you even have a bunch that dont want Moroes $17M expiring included!

And on top of it all, a lot of them feel that IF Thon is included, that they wouldnt have to give up their pick. Even seen quite a few mention that its either DJ (Rookie) OR the 2018 1st. Its crazy, they want the world all for a few bad contracts that they desperately want to get rid of.


As a bucks fan, i would do Delly/Thon/2019 1st


Not a good deal for the Suns. Weak east means low value to that 2019 pick. The 3-year Delly contract is not what we need on the books when re-signing Booker and looking for better talent to surround him with in free agency. Thon is an unknown who looks like he has regressed. Just a bad deal for us and a great deal for you guys.
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Re: Eric Bledsoe 

Post#882 » by jcsunsfan » Fri Oct 27, 2017 4:13 pm

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mlloyd10 wrote:
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Please, ive read all 80 pages, and there is only a handful that want to give up Thon.

Like 85% of the board thinks that some combo of DJ/Henson/Telly/Delly/Monroe and thier 1st gets it done. Hell, you even have a bunch that dont want Moroes $17M expiring included!

And on top of it all, a lot of them feel that IF Thon is included, that they wouldnt have to give up their pick. Even seen quite a few mention that its either DJ (Rookie) OR the 2018 1st. Its crazy, they want the world all for a few bad contracts that they desperately want to get rid of.


As a bucks fan, i would do Delly/Thon/2019 1st


Not a good deal for the Suns. Weak east means low value to that 2019 pick. The 3-year Delly contract is not what we need on the books when re-signing Booker and looking for better talent to surround him with in free agency. Thon is an unknown who looks like he has regressed. Just a bad deal for us and a great deal for you guys.


Multiple questionable assets do not equal one decent one. Patience.
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Re: Eric Bledsoe 

Post#883 » by JustinCredible » Fri Oct 27, 2017 5:38 pm

jcsunsfan wrote:
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As a bucks fan, i would do Delly/Thon/2019 1st


Not a good deal for the Suns. Weak east means low value to that 2019 pick. The 3-year Delly contract is not what we need on the books when re-signing Booker and looking for better talent to surround him with in free agency. Thon is an unknown who looks like he has regressed. Just a bad deal for us and a great deal for you guys.


Multiple questionable assets do not equal one decent one. Patience.


As a Bucks fan I wouldn't offer Thon. He is a 7-footer with legit potential to both protect the rim and switch onto guards defensively. He also has 3pt range. In a sense he is the perfect fit for what we are trying to become. While I don't think his ceiling is super high...I do really like his fit and potential skill set.
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Re: Eric Bledsoe 

Post#884 » by NTB » Fri Oct 27, 2017 5:48 pm

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jcsunsfan wrote:
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Not a good deal for the Suns. Weak east means low value to that 2019 pick. The 3-year Delly contract is not what we need on the books when re-signing Booker and looking for better talent to surround him with in free agency. Thon is an unknown who looks like he has regressed. Just a bad deal for us and a great deal for you guys.


Multiple questionable assets do not equal one decent one. Patience.


As a Bucks fan I wouldn't offer Thon. He is a 7-footer with legit potential to both protect the rim and switch onto guards defensively. He also has 3pt range. In a sense he is the perfect fit for what we are trying to become. While I don't think his ceiling is super high...I do really like his fit and potential skill set.


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Re: Eric Bledsoe 

Post#885 » by JustinCredible » Fri Oct 27, 2017 6:13 pm

NTB wrote:
JustinCredible wrote:
jcsunsfan wrote:
Multiple questionable assets do not equal one decent one. Patience.


As a Bucks fan I wouldn't offer Thon. He is a 7-footer with legit potential to both protect the rim and switch onto guards defensively. He also has 3pt range. In a sense he is the perfect fit for what we are trying to become. While I don't think his ceiling is super high...I do really like his fit and potential skill set.


You should post a lot in Suns forum.


Sorry, I thought it was relevant to the discussion about Bledsoe trades. I think the Suns backed themselves into a corner of not getting fair value given the circumstances.

I'd offer Delly, Monroe, and a pick of Wilson/1st for Bledsoe and to take on Chandlers contract.

I don't think the Bucks are going to give up Brogdon, Thon, or Jabari in this situation.

If an expiring and a 1st is the best offer the Suns can get than I think we are your dance partners.
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Re: Eric Bledsoe 

Post#886 » by NTB » Fri Oct 27, 2017 6:28 pm

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As a Bucks fan I wouldn't offer Thon. He is a 7-footer with legit potential to both protect the rim and switch onto guards defensively. He also has 3pt range. In a sense he is the perfect fit for what we are trying to become. While I don't think his ceiling is super high...I do really like his fit and potential skill set.


You should post a lot in Suns forum.


Sorry, I thought it was relevant to the discussion about Bledsoe trades. I think the Suns backed themselves into a corner of not getting fair value given the circumstances.

I'd offer Delly, Monroe, and a pick of Wilson/1st for Bledsoe and to take on Chandlers contract.

I don't think the Bucks are going to give up Brogdon, Thon, or Jabari in this situation.

If an expiring and a 1st is the best offer the Suns can get than I think we are your dance partners.


I'm only interested in your avatar. Didn't follow the conversation.
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Re: Eric Bledsoe 

Post#887 » by Damkac » Fri Oct 27, 2017 7:17 pm

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Re: Eric Bledsoe 

Post#888 » by grumpysaddle » Fri Oct 27, 2017 7:26 pm

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y8x6blje

We'd even include a 2nd since we have a bunch of them.
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Re: Eric Bledsoe 

Post#889 » by buckboy » Fri Oct 27, 2017 7:57 pm

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jcsunsfan wrote:The Bucks board has and 80 page thread on Bledsoe, that started last week!! Good grief.

BTW. They do not want to trade Brogdon for Bledsoe. They think Thon is enough.


Please, ive read all 80 pages, and there is only a handful that want to give up Thon.

Like 85% of the board thinks that some combo of DJ/Henson/Telly/Delly/Monroe and thier 1st gets it done. Hell, you even have a bunch that dont want Moroes $17M expiring included!

And on top of it all, a lot of them feel that IF Thon is included, that they wouldnt have to give up their pick. Even seen quite a few mention that its either DJ (Rookie) OR the 2018 1st. Its crazy, they want the world all for a few bad contracts that they desperately want to get rid of.


The more Thon plays, the more people that are getting on board with trading him. :lol:

The rest of your post is a mischaracterization I think. I think it's more that if that's not good enough they can trade Bledsoe somewhere else. No one really wants to give up Brogdon for Bledsoe. They probably would trade him, just not for Bledsoe, myself included.
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Re: Eric Bledsoe 

Post#890 » by jcsunsfan » Fri Oct 27, 2017 8:46 pm

buckboy wrote:
Kerrsed wrote:
jcsunsfan wrote:The Bucks board has and 80 page thread on Bledsoe, that started last week!! Good grief.

BTW. They do not want to trade Brogdon for Bledsoe. They think Thon is enough.


Please, ive read all 80 pages, and there is only a handful that want to give up Thon.

Like 85% of the board thinks that some combo of DJ/Henson/Telly/Delly/Monroe and thier 1st gets it done. Hell, you even have a bunch that dont want Moroes $17M expiring included!

And on top of it all, a lot of them feel that IF Thon is included, that they wouldnt have to give up their pick. Even seen quite a few mention that its either DJ (Rookie) OR the 2018 1st. Its crazy, they want the world all for a few bad contracts that they desperately want to get rid of.


The more Thon plays, the more people that are getting on board with trading him. :lol:

The rest of your post is a mischaracterization I think. I think it's more that if that's not good enough they can trade Bledsoe somewhere else. No one really wants to give up Brogdon for Bledsoe. They probably would trade him, just not for Bledsoe, myself included.


Who would you want for Brogdon then?

I think I might be willing to do Bledsoe, Chandler, and the Suns second rounder (as long as it is not 50 or higher, then it has to go to someone else, which is so unlikely it is silly) for Monroe, Brogdon and whatever bad contract you want to throw in to make it work (Telle?). Chandler has never stopped being a monster rebounder, and the Bucks lack interior bulk and rebounding.

Thon is just a non-starter. With Chriss and Bender, there would be just no way to develop him. It would hurt Thon as well as the other two.
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Re: Eric Bledsoe 

Post#891 » by JustinCredible » Fri Oct 27, 2017 9:05 pm

NTB wrote:
JustinCredible wrote:
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You should post a lot in Suns forum.


Sorry, I thought it was relevant to the discussion about Bledsoe trades. I think the Suns backed themselves into a corner of not getting fair value given the circumstances.

I'd offer Delly, Monroe, and a pick of Wilson/1st for Bledsoe and to take on Chandlers contract.

I don't think the Bucks are going to give up Brogdon, Thon, or Jabari in this situation.

If an expiring and a 1st is the best offer the Suns can get than I think we are your dance partners.


I'm only interested in your avatar. Didn't follow the conversation.


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Re: Eric Bledsoe 

Post#892 » by buckboy » Fri Oct 27, 2017 9:06 pm

jcsunsfan wrote:
buckboy wrote:
Kerrsed wrote:
Please, ive read all 80 pages, and there is only a handful that want to give up Thon.

Like 85% of the board thinks that some combo of DJ/Henson/Telly/Delly/Monroe and thier 1st gets it done. Hell, you even have a bunch that dont want Moroes $17M expiring included!

And on top of it all, a lot of them feel that IF Thon is included, that they wouldnt have to give up their pick. Even seen quite a few mention that its either DJ (Rookie) OR the 2018 1st. Its crazy, they want the world all for a few bad contracts that they desperately want to get rid of.


The more Thon plays, the more people that are getting on board with trading him. :lol:

The rest of your post is a mischaracterization I think. I think it's more that if that's not good enough they can trade Bledsoe somewhere else. No one really wants to give up Brogdon for Bledsoe. They probably would trade him, just not for Bledsoe, myself included.


Who would you want for Brogdon then?

I think I might be willing to do Bledsoe, Chandler, and the Suns second rounder (as long as it is not 50 or higher, then it has to go to someone else, which is so unlikely it is silly) for Monroe, Brogdon and whatever bad contract you want to throw in to make it work (Telle?). Chandler has never stopped being a monster rebounder, and the Bucks lack interior bulk and rebounding.

Thon is just a non-starter. With Chriss and Bender, there would be just no way to develop him. It would hurt Thon as well as the other two.


I personally don't see a deal with the Suns revolving around Brogdon. Not one that's realistic anyway.

I totally understand your take on Thon as well from a Suns point of view. You don't have to convince me on him, I've always thought he was terrible.

I don't think what you propose is a bad deal, I just wouldn't do it personally. I like Bledsoe, but his knees terrify me.
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Re: Eric Bledsoe 

Post#893 » by Years90Suns » Fri Oct 27, 2017 9:51 pm

The latest news say that we are trying to include Chandler in the trade.
I do not get it.
Chandler is making us be competitive. Chandler has this year and another year signed.
Chandler is not demanding a trade.
Above all, Chandler is teaching the young guys.
Does or GM think that the young pals can learn for themselves?
Chandler is our defense anchor. As correctly said on tv, we are more talkative in defense, comunicating movements, screens, rebounds... and Chandler is the main tool there.
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Re: Eric Bledsoe 

Post#894 » by jcsunsfan » Fri Oct 27, 2017 10:16 pm

Years90Suns wrote:The latest news say that we are trying to include Chandler in the trade.
I do not get it.
Chandler is making us be competitive. Chandler has this year and another year signed.
Chandler is not demanding a trade.
Above all, Chandler is teaching the young guys.
Does or GM think that the young pals can learn for themselves?
Chandler is our defense anchor. As correctly said on tv, we are more talkative in defense, comunicating movements, screens, rebounds... and Chandler is the main tool there.


i am sure that if Chandler is being talked about, Chandler is on board with it.
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Re: Eric Bledsoe 

Post#895 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Fri Oct 27, 2017 10:22 pm

Years90Suns wrote:The latest news say that we are trying to include Chandler in the trade.
I do not get it.
Chandler is making us be competitive. Chandler has this year and another year signed.
Chandler is not demanding a trade.
Above all, Chandler is teaching the young guys.
Does or GM think that the young pals can learn for themselves?
Chandler is our defense anchor. As correctly said on tv, we are more talkative in defense, comunicating movements, screens, rebounds... and Chandler is the main tool there.


Chandler has looked like a shadow of his former self since signing with, before Triano's tenure. That includes not only Watson, but Hornacek as well. The rebounding is not worthless, but it's no substitute for the interior D we weren't getting. But EVEN THAT hasn't been the problem - the problem has been our failure to get him on the move going to the rim for the lob. This season - but really, the last two games - we've been a lot better in that respect. And when Chandler is hitting a high FG% and getting a decent number of rebounds, he's solid. It's the lob on offense that sets him apart.

But it's just a couple games. And even while Chandler's been good - so has Alex. Would Alex be good as a starter this year? Hasn't worked in the past! It's hard to know! But most of us like the fact that while Alex doesn't have the lob game, he does have more to offer defensively. We have Alan Williams coming back in a few months, too - and he was our best center of the three last year, yo.

The point is, I want Chandler's $$$ to spend on Len. I want to know if Len is worth that $, so I want him starting. I think we've established a good relationship with Alex, and in any case, we have two draft picks lined up in a center-heavy draft. I think we can afford to lose Tyson.

We don't need to pay *much* to lose Tyson, but you almost always pay a premium for liquidity in any market. Looks like we're (IMO wisely) attempting to leverage some of the excess value out of Bledsoe and convert that into additional cap flexibility. We will need to be able to keep this team together if *shocker* we end up near or even ahead of teams like DEN or MIN in the standings.

My preference is to trade Bled and Chandler for expirings and draft assets - as much as we can get, but at least one solid first, which I think is reasonable, even in this market.
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Re: Eric Bledsoe 

Post#896 » by jcsunsfan » Fri Oct 27, 2017 10:25 pm

Maybe we should just trade Bledsoe for Okafor and a future Philly #1 pick. But it has to be unprotected. BC is a sucker for trading unprotected picks anyway. I think Philly can absorb the salary. If not we can take back Bayless.
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Post#897 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Fri Oct 27, 2017 10:36 pm

jcsunsfan wrote:Maybe we should just trade Bledsoe for Okafor and a future Philly #1 pick. But it has to be unprotected. BC is a sucker for trading unprotected picks anyway. I think Philly can absorb the salary. If not we can take back Bayless.


http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y8ajbmav ?

I'd consider a basket of seconds instead of a first.
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Re: Eric Bledsoe 

Post#898 » by jcsunsfan » Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:06 pm

cosmofizzo wrote:
jcsunsfan wrote:Maybe we should just trade Bledsoe for Okafor and a future Philly #1 pick. But it has to be unprotected. BC is a sucker for trading unprotected picks anyway. I think Philly can absorb the salary. If not we can take back Bayless.


http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y8ajbmav ?

I'd consider a basket of seconds instead of a first.


I would take Stauskas and DJJr out of it. I would do this for the right to swap the Suns pick for the Philly pick this summer. I don't know whose record is going to be worse, but it would be nice to have two shots at it.
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Re: Eric Bledsoe 

Post#899 » by ATTL » Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:39 am

JustinCredible wrote:
NTB wrote:
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Sorry, I thought it was relevant to the discussion about Bledsoe trades. I think the Suns backed themselves into a corner of not getting fair value given the circumstances.

I'd offer Delly, Monroe, and a pick of Wilson/1st for Bledsoe and to take on Chandlers contract.

I don't think the Bucks are going to give up Brogdon, Thon, or Jabari in this situation.

If an expiring and a 1st is the best offer the Suns can get than I think we are your dance partners.


I'm only interested in your avatar. Didn't follow the conversation.


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Re: Eric Bledsoe 

Post#900 » by NYG » Sat Oct 28, 2017 8:15 am

Greg Monroe, Malcolm Brogdon and John Henson for Tyson Chandler and Eric Bledsoe?

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