All Things Luka Doncic

[BoardCrusher]

im adding another player who doncic could end up becoming in the nba on the ceiling end of the projection.

LAMAR ODOM
child prodigy
excelent vision, passing, handling, rebounding
statt stuffer
not standing out explosivnes wise
taller then doncic
not as good of a shooter
point forward if you like

if you say odom is his floor you land again in the magic johnson / lebron stratosphere.
if you say teams like san antonio can unlock doncic true potential max stats wise, then look in history what the best pg/distributor in the spurs system averaged in assist per season? spurs are the least of the team, who would give the keys to one player only.

if he lands under d,antoni in some weird way, then i can see him get to 8/8/20 (the steve nash, james harden, mike dantoni effect).
other teams, im staying with my "humble" projections

I don’t think his priority is personal statistics.
He is more a team success guy.

Parker, Ginobili, even Duncan could all have better statistics if played for some less successful teams with even bigger role. Should they be unhappy at the end of their careers?

I don’t see Luka as a statt stuffer. And if I have to choose of options you gave us I go with Magic. End result greatly depends on system and team around him.

Magic in Atlanta is not Magic in LA.

i never said that he is out for the stats. its not about that. everything stats related is in relation what he could accomplish in the nba. and that is mostly seen through the stats prism. rightfully so in most cases.

the reason i put san antonio there is that most posters seem to think he would make most of himself if he would play in san antonions system. but that would mean he would not get the keys to the team (nash suns, harden rockets, westbrook okc),

as far as doncic comparable to magic johnson . hmmm magic averaged 11 assist per game, i dont see 10 assist per game in doncics P&R heavy play, sorry on any team. doncic wont be the world savior in the nba you guys think he will be, sorry, and its bugging me to wait those 4-5 years so you can say: dude you very cocky, but you were right. he did have a solid career, but some dudes in the forum really believed he would be on magics lebrons etc level

he will be-already is a EURO god already at 18 - like i said, he is build for this, but the nba - meh - solid starter but not averaging lebrons rebs or assist ever

you been repeating yourself since the last locked thread over and over again, its getting annoying.

[J_T]

Taking in consideration what everything is counted as an assist in NBA today, that statistical aspect is the very least of concern of Doncic's translation. It's almost Euro assist *1.5

You mean assists after dribble? Yeah. but at least FIBA gives assist for a free throw and NBA doesn't. It's true though, that the NBA leaders would get only 1 extra assist if NBA added those (Paul was leading the league with 1.1 FT "assist" per game). I have seen no stat showing how many assists come after dribble in NBA, I would be interested to see.

[burek3]

Yeah, I mean, assist on home court nowadays almost means "initiator".

Someone passes to semi-open player, who then makes complex play (2+ dribbles, maybe crossover etc.), BAM, assist for the former.

[UcanUwill]

NBA scorekeepers are incredibly generous with assists. Every day you can find number of counted assists that would never count in Europe.

[Nikson]

im adding another player who doncic could end up becoming in the nba on the ceiling end of the projection.

LAMAR ODOM
child prodigy
excelent vision, passing, handling, rebounding
statt stuffer
not standing out explosivnes wise
taller then doncic
not as good of a shooter
point forward if you like

if you say odom is his floor you land again in the magic johnson / lebron stratosphere.
if you say teams like san antonio can unlock doncic true potential max stats wise, then look in history what the best pg/distributor in the spurs system averaged in assist per season? spurs are the least of the team, who would give the keys to one player only.

if he lands under d,antoni in some weird way, then i can see him get to 8/8/20 (the steve nash, james harden, mike dantoni effect).
other teams, im staying with my "humble" projections

I don’t think his priority is personal statistics.
He is more a team success guy.

Parker, Ginobili, even Duncan could all have better statistics if played for some less successful teams with even bigger role. Should they be unhappy at the end of their careers?

I don’t see Luka as a statt stuffer. And if I have to choose of options you gave us I go with Magic. End result greatly depends on system and team around him.

Magic in Atlanta is not Magic in LA.

i never said that he is out for the stats. its not about that. everything stats related is in relation what he could accomplish in the nba. and that is mostly seen through the stats prism. rightfully so in most cases.

the reason i put san antonio there is that most posters seem to think he would make most of himself if he would play in san antonions system. but that would mean he would not get the keys to the team (nash suns, harden rockets, westbrook okc),

as far as doncic comparable to magic johnson . hmmm magic averaged 11 assist per game, i dont see 10 assist per game in doncics P&R heavy play, sorry on any team. doncic wont be the world savior in the nba you guys think he will be, sorry, and its bugging me to wait those 4-5 years so you can say: dude you very cocky, but you were right. he did have a solid career, but some dudes in the forum really believed he would be on magics lebrons etc level

he will be-already is a EURO god already at 18 - like i said, he is build for this, but the nba - meh - solid starter but not averaging lebrons rebs or assist ever

I don’t see you as cocky, do not flatter yourself. When on toilet, just step closer.

Again, with Spurs or similar system, team oriented bball, he would be most happy. He is not into statistics. He is in winning.

And you will not need to wait 4-5 years.
You haven’t seen anything yet.

He is the next thing!
It will be too late, jump on train or you will be doomed.

[Rn5ho]

Wasn't there an "assist" by Jokic, where he literally passed on his own side of the court and the guy ran whole court and it still counted as an assist? Yeah, assists count really doesn't worry me..

[Johnny Firpo]

Harden is a better athlete in terms of strength, verticality, body control and change of direction. Also has a better handle.

Russell got the Harden comps too til folks realized the gulf in physical/athletic profiles.

18-year-old Harden was not a better athlete than current Doncic, and definitely wasn't stronger. And I would also think that his handles weren't this good at 18. I remember rookie Harden well, he really wasn't that impressive, and he was already 20 at the time. I hope you didn't just compare current Harden to an 18-year-old kid...

[reanimator]

Harden is a better athlete in terms of strength, verticality, body control and change of direction. Also has a better handle.

Russell got the Harden comps too til folks realized the gulf in physical/athletic profiles.

18-year-old Harden was not a better athlete than current Doncic, and definitely wasn't stronger. And I would also think that his handles weren't this good at 18.

LOL

Even in his prep days, Harden was a large/strong shooting guard with tons of shake and good verticality. Definitely a better athlete and stronger relative to his position with more creativity off the bounce.

He came in the league at 220.

I hope you aren't speaking what Harden was or wasn't when you didn't follow him in HS or Arizona St.

[Rasho Brezec]

Harden is a better athlete in terms of strength, verticality, body control and change of direction. Also has a better handle.

Russell got the Harden comps too til folks realized the gulf in physical/athletic profiles.

18-year-old Harden was not a better athlete than current Doncic, and definitely wasn't stronger. And I would also think that his handles weren't this good at 18. I remember rookie Harden well, he really wasn't that impressive, and he was already 20 at the time. I hope you didn't just compare current Harden to an 18-year-old kid...

Harden was more athletic and had a good handle at 18.

Watch on YouTube

[J_T]

Harden was more athletic and had a good handle at 18.

You got that from the video you pasted or you were actually following him then? I'll say that I have absolutely no clue what was Harden like before he was drafted but from that video I don't see his superior athleticism and definitely I don't see superior handle.

[Rasho Brezec]

Harden was more athletic and had a good handle at 18.

You got that from the video you pasted or you were actually following him then? I'll say that I have absolutely no clue what was Harden like before he was drafted but from that video I don't see his superior athleticism and definitely I don't see superior handle.

I don't mean to sound rude or anything, but maybe you just lack evaluation skills.

[Johnny Firpo]

LOL

Even in his prep days, Harden was a large/strong shooting guard with tons of shake and good verticality. Definitely a better athlete and stronger relative to his position with more creativity off the bounce.

He came in the league at 220.

I hope you aren't speaking what Harden was or wasn't when you didn't follow him in HS or Arizona St.

Lol at you, Doncic is already 225, and your blatant anti-euro bias strikes again. There is no way Harden was a better athlete at 18, when he wasn't a better athlete at 20. And saying he had better handles in his rookie year is also ridiculously dumb. Harden didn't even attempt the things at 20, that Doncic regularly does at 18. And yes, you did compare current Harden to him, everyone in this thread knows this, no matter how shamelessly you are trying to save face.

[reanimator]

There is tons of footage of Harden at Arizona St.

[pacersGM]

you been repeating yourself since the last locked thread over and over again, its getting annoying.

It goes both ways. You after each game: doncic singlehanded destroyed zalgiris, doncic singlehanded destroyed efes, doncic sing... so the annoyment is mutual . And bball is a team sport. So no doncic without lasso, no 18yt old european champ without dragic, no singlehanded. You get it right?

[J_T]

Harden was more athletic and had a good handle at 18.

You got that from the video you pasted or you were actually following him then? I'll say that I have absolutely no clue what was Harden like before he was drafted but from that video I don't see his superior athleticism and definitely I don't see superior handle.

I don't mean to sound rude or anything, but maybe you just lack evaluation skills.

Why don't you help me develop those skills then? Show me in that video, with times, what exactly looks like something that Doncic is not able to do at the moment.

[Johnny Firpo]

Harden was more athletic and had a good handle at 18.

Harden had good handles at 18, he didn't have better handles than Doncic, and he definitely wasn't stronger. Harden was like 190 pounds at 18.

[reanimator]

Lol at you, Doncic is already 225, and your blatant anti-euro bias strikes again. There is no way Harden was a better athlete at 18, when he wasn't a better athlete at 20. And saying he had better handles in his rookie year is also ridiculously dumb. Harden didn't even attempt the things at 20, that Doncic regularly does at 18. And yes, you did compare current Harden to him, everyone in this thread knows this, no matter how shamelessly you are trying to save face.

Harden is a PG/SG
Doncic will not be.

Hence "relative to their positions" and if you think Doncic is in the same stratosphere of agility/body control/strength as Harden then all I can say is it must be nice to live in la la land.

Its a fact Harden is and was a way more creative ballhandler than Doncic. Doncic is a good handler because he has a tight handle not a creative one.

You get excited when Doncic shows a simple hesi that most Americans have mastered in HS

[Johnny Firpo]

Its a fact Harden is and was a way more creative ballhandler than Doncic. Doncic is a good handler because he has a tight handle not a creative one.

I agree. You know why I agree? Because you once again compared current Harden to current Doncic. Harden does in fact have more creative, better handles than Doncic, because he improved it a lot since high school.

[Rasho Brezec]

You got that from the video you pasted or you were actually following him then? I'll say that I have absolutely no clue what was Harden like before he was drafted but from that video I don't see his superior athleticism and definitely I don't see superior handle.

I don't mean to sound rude or anything, but maybe you just lack evaluation skills.

Why don't you help me develop those skills then? Show me in that video, with times, what exactly looks like something that Doncic is not able to do at the moment.

I can't pinpoint it to you. Harden's moves are just quicker and more fluid.

[Johnny Firpo]

that most Americans have mastered in HS

If anyone still has any doubts about your agenda, they only need to read this half sentence. Dude, it's so telling. I would actually like if you would just let this ridiculous facade go, so that's a step in the right direction.