Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 2

[DowJones]

Suns trade: Bledsoe
Suns get: Brogdon/Tele/BK First

Bucks trade: Brogdon/Tele
Bucks get: IT/Frye

Cavs trade: IT/Frye/BK First
Cavs get: Bledsoe

I think Brogdon would be a good fit here. He does a little of everything, and will improve. We eat the rest of Tele's contract, and take a gamble on the BK pick. It could fall anywhere between mid lotto and mid first.

Bucks add firepower at the PG slot. Letting Giannis be he facilitator would allow IT to go off on offense. They swap out one of their not so great contracts for Frye's expiring, and dont have to give up a pick

Bledsoe goes to a contender. Seems he wanted to go here anyways, and this might keep Lebron happy enough to stay.

Why would Cleveland trade the 2 most important assets they received in the Kyrie Irving trade for Bledsoe when they could have traded Irving to us for Bledsoe and another asset? This trade makes very little sense but I guess it's good to dream.

a.) Cavs are 3-2. IT does them very little while sitting at home rehabbing. Bledsoe instantly gives them a quality PG, something that they clearly lack at the moment.
b.) 2 months ago that BK pick looked golden. Granted, things could change in a few weeks...but today there is a chance that pick not only isnt TOP5, but may not be a lotto pick at all. With the east as weak as it is, BK could sneak into the playoffs.
c.) IT's contract situation. After this season he's a FA. Is Cleveland willing to pay him $20mil+ next year? Bledsoe is under their control for 2 years, instead of 1.
d.) Right now for some reason, Lebron needs to play almost 40 mins a night for them to win. We all say that the reg season means nothing, and teams turn it on in the playoffs....but right now, Lebron seems to be the only one whose switch is on. He clearly needs help NOW.
e.) A year from today, the only thing Cleveland may have to show for the Kyrie trade is Crowder/mid first.

For Milwaukee. With the east as weak as it is, they probably only need to hover around .500 for the next month or so. Then they'd get IT. Then a month or two after that Jabari is back. They'd have plenty of time to make a push with 2 quality starters added to the roster.

Additionally, swapping Tele for Frye clears an additional $10.5mil in salary for next year that could be used to resign both Jabari and Thomas without killing their cap.

As a Cleveland fan your logic confuses me. Your logic for Cleveland is that the Cavs need to make a move now. They need Bledsoe ASAP. However for Milwaukee, they just need to "hover around" until IT is healthy. Why can Milwaukee get away with hovering around until IT gets healthy but Cleveland can't?

[WeekapaugGroove]

Not to backseat not or anything, but jesus christ dudes, let that argument go.

'I'll stop the car and paddle some azz right here right now if you two dont......' NavLDOnald ?

(tough crowd )


With a trade inevitable.... wouldn't be surprised if we see a couple players added to this deal ? And less surprised about a third team.

What would Bled and TJ get ? Could this be McD's chance for a big namer ? Suppose Cleve dangled Love or McD targeted him ? Bled/Warren works, Bled/Chandler works..... I know I am one of the few who would like KLove here, and I doubt Cleve would part with him.... but I think Bron would be more effective at PF than PG. I endorse any influx of ball IQ... I think it is imperative to not only add the skill but the knowledge of how to play.

With the rumors swirling, and picks to sprinkle, anything can happen.... heck, even Kerrsed has dropped down from orbit and outlined some decent ones.

Wouldn't the worry with love be they are just trading one guy who doesn't want to be here for another. I can't see love being stoked to go from competing for a ring to babysitting young guys on a losing team. I feel like they've had too much discontent the past few years and don't need that around the team anymore.

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[WeekapaugGroove]

Why would Cleveland trade the 2 most important assets they received in the Kyrie Irving trade for Bledsoe when they could have traded Irving to us for Bledsoe and another asset? This trade makes very little sense but I guess it's good to dream.

a.) Cavs are 3-2. IT does them very little while sitting at home rehabbing. Bledsoe instantly gives them a quality PG, something that they clearly lack at the moment.
b.) 2 months ago that BK pick looked golden. Granted, things could change in a few weeks...but today there is a chance that pick not only isnt TOP5, but may not be a lotto pick at all. With the east as weak as it is, BK could sneak into the playoffs.
c.) IT's contract situation. After this season he's a FA. Is Cleveland willing to pay him $20mil+ next year? Bledsoe is under their control for 2 years, instead of 1.
d.) Right now for some reason, Lebron needs to play almost 40 mins a night for them to win. We all say that the reg season means nothing, and teams turn it on in the playoffs....but right now, Lebron seems to be the only one whose switch is on. He clearly needs help NOW.
e.) A year from today, the only thing Cleveland may have to show for the Kyrie trade is Crowder/mid first.

For Milwaukee. With the east as weak as it is, they probably only need to hover around .500 for the next month or so. Then they'd get IT. Then a month or two after that Jabari is back. They'd have plenty of time to make a push with 2 quality starters added to the roster.

Additionally, swapping Tele for Frye clears an additional $10.5mil in salary for next year that could be used to resign both Jabari and Thomas without killing their cap.

As a Cleveland fan your logic confuses me. Your logic for Cleveland is that the Cavs need to make a move now. They need Bledsoe ASAP. However for Milwaukee, they just need to "hover around" until IT is healthy. Why can Milwaukee get away with hovering around until IT gets healthy but Cleveland can't?

Well its an illogical trade so thats why its hard to figure out. Among other issues is that IT has litterally no trade value until we know for sure when/if he's coming back this season.

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[jcsunsfan]

I keep seeing people say that Phoenix has no leverage. "Leverage" is determined by several factors.

1. Who needs the player most? That is simple economics. Your need outweighs mine.
2. Number of bidders. This is also impacted by the urgency of the bidders.
3. The "hot potato" factor. This is where a team is highly motivated to get rid of a player because their presence is detrimental, they need a different player, or they need cap space etc.

The only "leverage" issue against the Suns is the "hot potato" factor, but that is minimal. The rest of the team is going about its business. Bledsoe is not playing because he does not WANT to play for the Suns and wants to be traded. He is not being punished, he is being accommodated. He is still being paid.

I suppose the bidders could dry up. But the there are a number of teams with playoff hopes and pg needs.

[BobbieL]

Pass on Murray he's not that good at anything and doesn't compliment Booker.

If there's no one suitable better to get a pick and open the pool up at a later time than get the wrong player.

I agree. The key is the right fit next to Booker. If that just becomes draft picks - for some reason, LeBron, Rich Paul - still seems like a fit even with Isiah there. Frye, Shumpert, Zizic, Nets pick for Bledsoe, Heat pick and either the Memphis or Toronto second round. This would save the Cavs almost 5m in salary - but with lux tax, that's like 20m for Gilbert - come on Dan, save the dollars!

Right now the Suns have 2 potential firsts and three potential seconds. I doubt they will owe Memphis a second . So moving up in the first from the Heat to the Nets might be worth it

So they can easily move some of these seconds - or hold them until draft night too

[jcsunsfan]

I would trade Bledsoe to the Cavs for the right to swap our and BKN pick in case no good young player/pick is on the table. I'm worried for a fluke season now that the team is playing better without Bledsoe. I want that top 5 pick in next year's draft.

For the right to swap picks?!?!? WTF???

Nah, they would have to include it no matter what.

I still think our best bet is to approach Cleveland. Lebron needs help. Rose/Wade aint cutting it. IT does him no good sitting at home rehabbing and hopefully being 100% by the time the all-star game rolls around (Giving the Cavs about a month to try to incorporate him in to their system). TT gives them a young Drummond replacement on a much better contract. He's still a kid who grabs a ton of rebounds in limited minutes and is a decent defender.

They send IT and TT to Detroit, where im sure they will be fine losing one more season and getting a good pick, all while being even more than fine to give Mr. Almost MVP the Brinx Truck payday he's looking for. They reunite him with Bradley. GG.

We get Drummond/Shumpert.

Cleveland gets Lebrons buddy for the next 2 season on a great deal. Rich Paul is happy. Lebrons happy. Pretty much they turned Irving into Bledsoe/Crowder/Zizic/Nets 1st. Still a great haul and they didnt even have to wait for IT to heal or worry about paying him a large sum in the offseason (Which i already doubt they plan on doing anyway). They also get Chandler to fill in the spot minutes at back-up C, seeming how Love is playing great there and getting all the minutes he can handle.

Badabing. 3 teams, 6 players, all teams win.

Ok. I would not mind this, but Drummond is playing well lately. I would think that Detroit would want a lot more for him.

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[BobbieL]

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this was my trade like 20 pages ago

Bogam Teletovic, Monroe pick for Bled and Tyson

Tyson has history with Kidd - hopefully that's good history. Monroe is expiring for the Suns. Teletovic fits the budget of clearing cap by 2019

I guess if they move for the Nuggets: Arthur, Faried, Mudiay for Bled and Chandler works

Cleveland - I think it means Tristan Khardashian would be coming back with Shumpert and Frye. Love, Shumpert and Frye doesn't work, too many dollars

[MrMiyagi]

I guess I still need to be 'taught mine'...just let the 'ruling elite' say what they want without challenge, take their lashes, keep my head down.

You're right JMac...better for you to just distance yourself from me...

M'k.

So, you're denying snarkiness, 'yelling', and ridiculing me, when I didn't even address you to begin with? You 'entered' the conversation, when it had nothing to do with you, and you 'yell' at and ridicule me, and are now denying it, or attempting to discount it? M'k. Evidence is out there, bud.

M'k.

[LukasBMW]

1. We need to be careful trading Tyson. He's still a positive influence on this team both vocally and on the floor.

2. I want nothing to do with Tristan Khardashian and his contract and his agent (Rich Paul).

[WeekapaugGroove]

Tyson and Watson were very close. Have to wonder if he's asked to be traded after they fired his buddy. Similar to Bledsoe just handling like a professional.

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[BobbieL]

1. We need to be careful trading Tyson. He's still a positive influence on this team both vocally and on the floor.

2. I want nothing to do with Tristan Khardashian and his contract and his agent (Rich Paul).

good point, i didn't realize Thompsons agent was Rich Paul

forget that deal than . his contract is 3 years like 16m per year left. Loves is 3 for 22m

I think if Tyson is moved, its Denver or Milwaukee.

[Jdiddy701]

Tyson and Watson were very close. Have to wonder if he's asked to be traded after they fired his buddy. Similar to Bledsoe just handling like a professional.

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That’s a good call out! Didn’t even think about that.

I wonder when all this will go down. I hope it’s soon. But at the same time, there’s no rush to get a deal done.


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[LukasBMW]

Tyson and Watson were very close. Have to wonder if he's asked to be traded after they fired his buddy. Similar to Bledsoe just handling like a professional.

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I sat behind the bench for the Kings game. I was impressed with Tyson. He brought energy to the huddle and helped coach during timeouts. If he is mad about the Watson firing, he sure is not showing it.

During the game he was attacking the boards like a monster. You could hear him yell as he went after boards louder then anyone else on the floor.

The other guys leading were Dudley (he was always talking and even grabbed the clipboard at one point) and Booker (amazing how mature he is for 20).

I really like our chemistry right now and I'd hate to upset that unless adding Chandler gets us a better return or a young stretch 5 to replace him with.

[thamadkant]

I don't mind Chandler on the bench as a vocal leader and coaching assistant. He's a champion and defense mentor to the team. But I can understand if he wants to leave. But he did say he wanted to come to the Suns and stay didn't he?



Dudley and Chandler are good mentors IMO.

[sunsbg]

I would trade Bledsoe to the Cavs for the right to swap our and BKN pick in case no good young player/pick is on the table. I'm worried for a fluke season now that the team is playing better without Bledsoe. I want that top 5 pick in next year's draft.

For the right to swap picks?!?!? WTF???

Nah, they would have to include it no matter what.

I still think our best bet is to approach Cleveland. Lebron needs help. Rose/Wade aint cutting it. IT does him no good sitting at home rehabbing and hopefully being 100% by the time the all-star game rolls around (Giving the Cavs about a month to try to incorporate him in to their system). TT gives them a young Drummond replacement on a much better contract. He's still a kid who grabs a ton of rebounds in limited minutes and is a decent defender.

They send IT and TT to Detroit, where im sure they will be fine losing one more season and getting a good pick, all while being even more than fine to give Mr. Almost MVP the Brinx Truck payday he's looking for. They reunite him with Bradley. GG.

We get Drummond/Shumpert.

Cleveland gets Lebrons buddy for the next 2 season on a great deal. Rich Paul is happy. Lebrons happy. Pretty much they turned Irving into Bledsoe/Crowder/Zizic/Nets 1st. Still a great haul and they didnt even have to wait for IT to heal or worry about paying him a large sum in the offseason (Which i already doubt they plan on doing anyway). They also get Chandler to fill in the spot minutes at back-up C, seeming how Love is playing great there and getting all the minutes he can handle.

Badabing. 3 teams, 6 players, all teams win.

The Cavs are not that dumb to include it no matter what. I'm thinking about swapping it if it's top 5 pick(Cavs still get a good Suns pick + Bledsoe) and Suns simply receive the pick in case it's below top 5. This is probably still wishful thinking as it looks like Bledsoe's value is not that high, otherwise he would be on another team already.

For me it's simple - add one more stud from next draft next to Booker and JJ, sign good FAs, keep other players from current roster that turn out good(not keeping my breath for anyone else except those already mentioned).

[Mulhollanddrive]

What happened to Andre Drummond photoshops.

[jcsunsfan]

Tyson and Watson were very close. Have to wonder if he's asked to be traded after they fired his buddy. Similar to Bledsoe just handling like a professional.

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Tyson is looking energized. I think he likes Triano. He's a pro. He knows a bad coach or a good coach when he sees one.