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Post#1101 » by TeamTragic » Fri Oct 27, 2017 10:23 pm

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Glad to see Dave King come out with this stuff. Look, if McD is right then it needs to be said that this is on the player/agent not the FO. Should we have traded Bled in the off season? Yes. Was it unfair to Bled to shut him down? Yes. But, going nuke on a situation like Bledsoe did is not the answer.

Hope Hayes, Amin, etc. see this or try to reply to Dave perhaps our FO isn't at fault on this one (they've been at fault plenty).


Nobody here is surprised that Bledsoe/Watson pulled this bull. Definitely not a coincidence that they are both represented by Lebron.


By LeBron's Agency... I highly doubt LBJ orchestrated all this. I don't put this on LeBron same as I wouldn't put something on my CEO for stupidity displayed by a random manager.


How about we be honest for a second? Lebron runs Klutch just like he runs the Cavs organization albeit behind the scenes.
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Post#1102 » by harshey1388 » Fri Oct 27, 2017 10:26 pm

GoranTragic wrote:
harshey1388 wrote:
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Nobody here is surprised that Bledsoe/Watson pulled this bull. Definitely not a coincidence that they are both represented by Lebron.


By LeBron's Agency... I highly doubt LBJ orchestrated all this. I don't put this on LeBron same as I wouldn't put something on my CEO for stupidity displayed by a random manager.


How about we be honest for a second? Lebron runs Klutch just like he runs the Cavs organization albeit behind the scenes.


I'm being honest but maybe its misguided. Agree to disagree that LBJ had a hand in this. Do I believe him to say "Let's get Eric out of PHX and into a Cavs Uniform" absolutely but I don't think he played the "hair salon" excuse and all the other BS now coming out.

Can we just trade Bled, end this and let Booker bring us back to playoff contention :pray:
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Post#1103 » by TeamTragic » Fri Oct 27, 2017 10:27 pm

harshey1388 wrote:
GoranTragic wrote:
harshey1388 wrote:
By LeBron's Agency... I highly doubt LBJ orchestrated all this. I don't put this on LeBron same as I wouldn't put something on my CEO for stupidity displayed by a random manager.


How about we be honest for a second? Lebron runs Klutch just like he runs the Cavs organization albeit behind the scenes.


I'm being honest but maybe its misguided. Agree to disagree that LBJ had a hand in this. Do I believe him to say "Let's get Eric out of PHX and into a Cavs Uniform" absolutely but I don't think he played the "hair salon" excuse and all the other BS now coming out.

Can we just trade Bled, end this and let Booker bring us back to playoff contention :pray:


I don't care about Lebron. I just know that he is involved. ZERO DOUBT
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Post#1104 » by BobbieL » Fri Oct 27, 2017 10:28 pm

harshey1388 wrote:
GoranTragic wrote:
harshey1388 wrote:
By LeBron's Agency... I highly doubt LBJ orchestrated all this. I don't put this on LeBron same as I wouldn't put something on my CEO for stupidity displayed by a random manager.


How about we be honest for a second? Lebron runs Klutch just like he runs the Cavs organization albeit behind the scenes.


I'm being honest but maybe its misguided. Agree to disagree that LBJ had a hand in this. Do I believe him to say "Let's get Eric out of PHX and into a Cavs Uniform" absolutely but I don't think he played the "hair salon" excuse and all the other BS now coming out.

Can we just trade Bled, end this and let Booker bring us back to playoff contention :pray:


The more this is talked out with Bledsoe, the longer it does linger and cast a pseudo cloud over the organization. I agree, lets see if he can be traded sooner rather than later and move on.
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Post#1105 » by harshey1388 » Fri Oct 27, 2017 10:30 pm

GoranTragic wrote:
harshey1388 wrote:
GoranTragic wrote:
How about we be honest for a second? Lebron runs Klutch just like he runs the Cavs organization albeit behind the scenes.


I'm being honest but maybe its misguided. Agree to disagree that LBJ had a hand in this. Do I believe him to say "Let's get Eric out of PHX and into a Cavs Uniform" absolutely but I don't think he played the "hair salon" excuse and all the other BS now coming out.

Can we just trade Bled, end this and let Booker bring us back to playoff contention :pray:


I don't care about Lebron. I just know that he is involved. ZERO DOUBT


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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 2 

Post#1106 » by jcsunsfan » Fri Oct 27, 2017 10:30 pm

GoranTragic wrote:
harshey1388 wrote:
GoranTragic wrote:
Nobody here is surprised that Bledsoe/Watson pulled this bull. Definitely not a coincidence that they are both represented by Lebron.


By LeBron's Agency... I highly doubt LBJ orchestrated all this. I don't put this on LeBron same as I wouldn't put something on my CEO for stupidity displayed by a random manager.


How about we be honest for a second? Lebron runs Klutch just like he runs the Cavs organization albeit behind the scenes.


I would love to see all the Klutch clients on one team. Then they would just have to live with themselves.
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Post#1107 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Fri Oct 27, 2017 10:38 pm

BobbieL wrote:
harshey1388 wrote:
GoranTragic wrote:
How about we be honest for a second? Lebron runs Klutch just like he runs the Cavs organization albeit behind the scenes.


I'm being honest but maybe its misguided. Agree to disagree that LBJ had a hand in this. Do I believe him to say "Let's get Eric out of PHX and into a Cavs Uniform" absolutely but I don't think he played the "hair salon" excuse and all the other BS now coming out.

Can we just trade Bled, end this and let Booker bring us back to playoff contention :pray:


The more this is talked out with Bledsoe, the longer it does linger and cast a pseudo cloud over the organization. I agree, lets see if he can be traded sooner rather than later and move on.


Has the Markieff Morris triump taught us nothing?
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Post#1108 » by grumpysaddle » Fri Oct 27, 2017 10:58 pm

jcsunsfan wrote:
GoranTragic wrote:
harshey1388 wrote:
By LeBron's Agency... I highly doubt LBJ orchestrated all this. I don't put this on LeBron same as I wouldn't put something on my CEO for stupidity displayed by a random manager.


How about we be honest for a second? Lebron runs Klutch just like he runs the Cavs organization albeit behind the scenes.


I would love to see all the Klutch clients on one team. Then they would just have to live with themselves.


They'd be like 200 million in luxury tax and maybe sniff the playoffs because most players are overpaid
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Post#1109 » by Kerrsed » Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:26 pm

Years90Suns wrote:I do not see the point of getting Monroe instead of Chandler. Yes, I know Monroe has one year left (this one), but he is freeing money to get whooooo??? Is anybody going to come here for money? Nooooo...


You dont let it expire, you end up trading him towards the deadline to a team looking for savings, with us getting players in return, not in FA.

Seriously, Monroes $17M expiring is huge and there will be a lot of teams that will be wanting to save cash once they miss out on the playoffs.
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Post#1110 » by Joe Pong » Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:35 pm

Years90Suns wrote:I do not see the point of getting Monroe instead of Chandler. Yes, I know Monroe has one year left (this one), but he is freeing money to get whooooo??? Is anybody going to come here for money? Nooooo...
I believe it is much better for the short term and for the long one to keep Chandler.
He is a compromised player, plays defense, teaches the others and keep the group together.
The thing we need to do is develop Chriss, Len, Warren, Bender, Jackson, Booker, Ulys and James/Williams.
We have 4-5 players that will be legit starters (Chriss, Jackson, Len, Bender and may be Warren) and a potential star in Booker.
We do not need anybody else on board besides a good young player for Bledsoe. Mudiay or Harris should be enough. We need a big and physical guard that can take some preasure off Booker.


I just don't see Chriss, Bender, or Len ever being legit starters. At least not on a competitive team. They're perennial bench guys.
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Post#1111 » by NTB » Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:52 pm

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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 2 

Post#1112 » by JMac1 » Sat Oct 28, 2017 12:22 am

Joe Pong wrote:
Years90Suns wrote:I do not see the point of getting Monroe instead of Chandler. Yes, I know Monroe has one year left (this one), but he is freeing money to get whooooo??? Is anybody going to come here for money? Nooooo...
I believe it is much better for the short term and for the long one to keep Chandler.
He is a compromised player, plays defense, teaches the others and keep the group together.
The thing we need to do is develop Chriss, Len, Warren, Bender, Jackson, Booker, Ulys and James/Williams.
We have 4-5 players that will be legit starters (Chriss, Jackson, Len, Bender and may be Warren) and a potential star in Booker.
We do not need anybody else on board besides a good young player for Bledsoe. Mudiay or Harris should be enough. We need a big and physical guard that can take some preasure off Booker.


I just don't see Chriss, Bender, or Len ever being legit starters. At least not on a competitive team. They're perennial bench guys.


Bender is 19 and Chriss is 20.....to say that today is silly.
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Post#1113 » by Joe Pong » Sat Oct 28, 2017 12:39 am

JMac1 wrote:
Joe Pong wrote:
Years90Suns wrote:I do not see the point of getting Monroe instead of Chandler. Yes, I know Monroe has one year left (this one), but he is freeing money to get whooooo??? Is anybody going to come here for money? Nooooo...
I believe it is much better for the short term and for the long one to keep Chandler.
He is a compromised player, plays defense, teaches the others and keep the group together.
The thing we need to do is develop Chriss, Len, Warren, Bender, Jackson, Booker, Ulys and James/Williams.
We have 4-5 players that will be legit starters (Chriss, Jackson, Len, Bender and may be Warren) and a potential star in Booker.
We do not need anybody else on board besides a good young player for Bledsoe. Mudiay or Harris should be enough. We need a big and physical guard that can take some preasure off Booker.


I just don't see Chriss, Bender, or Len ever being legit starters. At least not on a competitive team. They're perennial bench guys.


Bender is 19 and Chriss is 20.....to say that today is silly.


I'm aware of the age. I just don't see the potential and they don't seem like natural basketball players to me. Hopefully I'm wrong.

But even if I am, they'll likely be long gone from the Suns by the time they're ready to be serious contributors. We're basically just developing them for some other organization like a minor league team
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Post#1114 » by Sunzgunz » Sat Oct 28, 2017 12:40 am

For better or worse, I think this thing has Bledsoe for Okafor written all over it!

Demanding Philly's 2nd round pick as part of the package is about as sexy as it possibly gets!

Eric Bledsoe/Tyson Chandler

for

Jahlil Okafor/Jerryd Bayless/Phillys 2018 2nd Round Pick

I hope im way off, but the more it drags out, the more i think we settle for this type of package.
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Post#1115 » by grumpysaddle » Sat Oct 28, 2017 12:45 am

Joe Pong wrote:
Years90Suns wrote:I do not see the point of getting Monroe instead of Chandler. Yes, I know Monroe has one year left (this one), but he is freeing money to get whooooo??? Is anybody going to come here for money? Nooooo...
I believe it is much better for the short term and for the long one to keep Chandler.
He is a compromised player, plays defense, teaches the others and keep the group together.
The thing we need to do is develop Chriss, Len, Warren, Bender, Jackson, Booker, Ulys and James/Williams.
We have 4-5 players that will be legit starters (Chriss, Jackson, Len, Bender and may be Warren) and a potential star in Booker.
We do not need anybody else on board besides a good young player for Bledsoe. Mudiay or Harris should be enough. We need a big and physical guard that can take some preasure off Booker.


I just don't see Chriss, Bender, or Len ever being legit starters. At least not on a competitive team. They're perennial bench guys.


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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 2 

Post#1116 » by BobbieL » Sat Oct 28, 2017 12:47 am

JMac1 wrote:
Joe Pong wrote:
Years90Suns wrote:I do not see the point of getting Monroe instead of Chandler. Yes, I know Monroe has one year left (this one), but he is freeing money to get whooooo??? Is anybody going to come here for money? Nooooo...
I believe it is much better for the short term and for the long one to keep Chandler.
He is a compromised player, plays defense, teaches the others and keep the group together.
The thing we need to do is develop Chriss, Len, Warren, Bender, Jackson, Booker, Ulys and James/Williams.
We have 4-5 players that will be legit starters (Chriss, Jackson, Len, Bender and may be Warren) and a potential star in Booker.
We do not need anybody else on board besides a good young player for Bledsoe. Mudiay or Harris should be enough. We need a big and physical guard that can take some preasure off Booker.


I just don't see Chriss, Bender, or Len ever being legit starters. At least not on a competitive team. They're perennial bench guys.


Bender is 19 and Chriss is 20.....to say that today is silly.


Agreed. And when you consider, that quite possibly, last year they didn't get much coaching - at least from Watson, Okur and the rest of the player (non) development staff - this is almost their rookie year. Listening to Ann Meyers Drysdale, she mentioned that Triano was teaching the basics in practice the day before the Utah game. So, I think Dragan and Chriss deserve some better coaching.
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Post#1117 » by Fo-Real » Sat Oct 28, 2017 1:28 am

Don't want Thon, dude is like 30 and lying about it. He has reached his peak as an athlete and b ball player! :lol: I think I saw him as an extra in the old 90's Jordan commercials " who is Johnny Kilroy" :lol:
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Post#1118 » by sunsbum » Sat Oct 28, 2017 1:32 am

Joe Pong wrote:
Years90Suns wrote:I do not see the point of getting Monroe instead of Chandler. Yes, I know Monroe has one year left (this one), but he is freeing money to get whooooo??? Is anybody going to come here for money? Nooooo...
I believe it is much better for the short term and for the long one to keep Chandler.
He is a compromised player, plays defense, teaches the others and keep the group together.
The thing we need to do is develop Chriss, Len, Warren, Bender, Jackson, Booker, Ulys and James/Williams.
We have 4-5 players that will be legit starters (Chriss, Jackson, Len, Bender and may be Warren) and a potential star in Booker.
We do not need anybody else on board besides a good young player for Bledsoe. Mudiay or Harris should be enough. We need a big and physical guard that can take some preasure off Booker.


I just don't see Chriss, Bender, or Len ever being legit starters. At least not on a competitive team. They're perennial bench guys.


Wow, youre crazy. Benders defense is already starter worthy and his IQ is right up there... get out of town.
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Post#1119 » by Kerrsed » Sat Oct 28, 2017 1:34 am

Ok, just got done listening to Gambo (Link in the spoiler).
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http://arizonasports.com/category/podcast_player/?a=336956&sid=1005&n=Burns+%26+Gambo
I hate to say, i have to agree with him. A few things i took away from the show:

Love how he called Shultz out on his BS. Him and his dad are in good with Watson, and thats where he was getting his limited info from. Watsons out, and so Shultz is now just throwing **** to the wall and hoping something sticks.

Despite what Shultz said, we are still talking to the Bucks.

Now, the Brandon Knight thing. I wish the "Search User Posts" function was working here on RealGM, because i brought up Knight the day Bledsoe tweeted. Look, he played great in Milwaukee. We trade for him and he was just ho-hum for the rest of that season. Thats to be expected, going to a new team with a new system that you're expected to run (Specially out of position). 1st full season with us and he did great! Bledsoe was out for the year, so Knight was able to actually finally play PG, and put up like 20/5/4/1. Sure his percentages could be better, but still pretty good for his 4th season playing. I mean, let us also not forget, Knight was a celebrated Kentucky player!

SEC All-Freshman Team, First Team All-SEC; SEC Freshman of the Year, First-Team All-SEC, SEC All-Freshman Team.

Along with his HS credentials:

McDonald's All-American (2010)
Gatorade Athlete of the Year (2009)
2× Gatorade National Player of the Year (2009, 2010)

So he has the track record that shows he can be a great player. So why then has he been considered a failure here in Phoenix? Simple, HE IS NOT A SG! Sure, he is considered a shoot first PG, but thats a lot different than a SG. With the ball in his hands he can create more and get himself better shots (Hitting a higher FG% than being stationary in Watsons offense). His 1 season as our PG, he did pretty damn good. His season and a half as our SG, numbers down across the board with his %'s taking a major hit.

Look, he is 25, still under contract, and has negative trade value around the league, so we are pretty much stuck with him. If we can turn him into a usable PG than that $13M a season becomes a steal. He has pretty much been **** on since he's been here, but has also taken everything in stride, and just soldiered on. If anyone follows him on twitter or instagram, you saw how hard he was working on his game during the entire offseason. I say next season we might as well give him a chance and throw him the keys.

Let James/Ulis/Booker finish out the season. We dont really NEED a PG in return for Bledsoe. Get the best package available regardless of position.

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Post#1120 » by Kerrsed » Sat Oct 28, 2017 1:41 am

Fo-Real wrote:Don't want Thon, dude is like 30 and lying about it. He has reached his peak as an athlete and b ball player! :lol: I think I saw him as an extra in the old 90's Jordan commercials " who is Johnny Kilroy" :lol:


IDK, i think he is going to be great! Mutombo said that when he was a kid, Thon was his favorite favorite teammate growing up and he always looked up to Thon. Mutombo even credited Thn with teaching him the finger wag when they were in HS together.
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