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The Ben Simmons Megathread

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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#881 » by Ericb5 » Wed Oct 25, 2017 3:57 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Yeah, Towns can't compete with Embiid on the defensive end. He's just nowhere near as good, athletically, and has issues protecting the rim and rotating at times because of that.

He's just such a smarter, more cerebral offensive player, though. With comparable, if not superior, skill level.

Such a mature, good natured kid. A perfect mesh on and off the court with Simmons. It's no surprise that they're such good friends IRL.


Towns is much more experienced offensively than Joel is. I don’t think he is any smarter or more cerebral. Embiid is developmentally behind Towns because of the amount of experience that he has in basketball.






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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#882 » by MambaJuice » Wed Oct 25, 2017 7:02 pm

Small sample size, but through 4 games averaging 17 points, 11 rebounds and 7 assists. He's living up to the hype so far. I think he might actually be able to average a double-double over the course of the season...

Prediction: Ben Simmons will average a triple double before his rookie contract is over.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#883 » by NJ SixerFan » Fri Oct 27, 2017 4:34 pm

Time to get my man simmons some 3 and D athletes that can run and jump. Want to see some explosive transition plays. Kinda makes me wonder what a Josh Jackson would have been able to do for this team defensively and in transition with simmons although I know his 3 isn't all that good.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#884 » by Simmons25 » Sat Oct 28, 2017 1:39 am

NJ SixerFan wrote:Time to get my man simmons some 3 and D athletes that can run and jump. Want to see some explosive transition plays. Kinda makes me wonder what a Josh Jackson would have been able to do for this team defensively and in transition with simmons although I know his 3 isn't all that good.


We have one... Jonah Bolden. 6ft 10"... Quick athlete that can jump out of the gym... shoots a nice 3 ball and is a very good defensive player.

He is the ideal running mate for Simmons and would basically slot right in and replace Bayless tomorrow in the starting lineup. Instead we have him in Europe just so we don't use up his rookie salary this year :(


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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#885 » by PhilasFinest » Sat Oct 28, 2017 2:14 am

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NJ SixerFan wrote:Time to get my man simmons some 3 and D athletes that can run and jump. Want to see some explosive transition plays. Kinda makes me wonder what a Josh Jackson would have been able to do for this team defensively and in transition with simmons although I know his 3 isn't all that good.


We have one... Jonah Bolden. 6ft 10"... Quick athlete that can jump out of the gym... shoots a nice 3 ball and is a very good defensive player.

He is the ideal running mate for Simmons and would basically slot right in and replace Bayless tomorrow in the starting lineup. Instead we have him in Europe just so we don't use up his rookie salary this year :(




Replace Bayless? Is Bayless a power forward ?
SparksFly87 wrote:Towns got boat feet and gets off the ground very slow with a lack of explosiveness . He is a rich mans Henry Sims to me. No thanks .
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#886 » by PhilasFinest » Sat Oct 28, 2017 2:15 am

NJ SixerFan wrote:Time to get my man simmons some 3 and D athletes that can run and jump. Want to see some explosive transition plays. Kinda makes me wonder what a Josh Jackson would have been able to do for this team defensively and in transition with simmons although I know his 3 isn't all that good.


Jackson hasn't been all that impressive early on in Phoenix, but I def agree with your situation. We need to get guys who can shoot and athletes that can actually FINISH/Attack.
SparksFly87 wrote:Towns got boat feet and gets off the ground very slow with a lack of explosiveness . He is a rich mans Henry Sims to me. No thanks .
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#887 » by Kobblehead » Sat Oct 28, 2017 2:23 am

Jackson's three point stroke was never a problem. He shot 38% at Kansas and is shooting 37.5% on 1.2 makes in the early going.

Right now, he's an absolute black hole, playing poor defense and finishing at an awful rate. Being deficient at your strengths is always going to lead a player to struggle mightily.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#888 » by Simmons25 » Sat Oct 28, 2017 2:35 am

PhilasFinest wrote:
Simmons25 wrote:
NJ SixerFan wrote:
Replace Bayless? Is Bayless a power forward ?


No Bayless is effectively our SF. At the moment with our starting lineup is:

C - Joel
PF - Roco
SF - Bayless
SG - Redick
PG - Ben

It would look much better and much more athletic if it was:

C - Joel
PF - Bolden
SF - Roco
SG - Redick
PG - Ben

Better rebounding, better defense and probably even better 3 point shooting.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#889 » by 76ciology » Sat Oct 28, 2017 3:04 am

Per 100 possessions:
Ben Simmons off court: 85 ORtg
Ben Simmons on court: 100 ORtg

1.) why the team is really bad on offense ?
2.) the team with Simmons on court isnt that good on offense either, but definitely he makes a great impact

Our best line-up (everything considered like chemistry, on/off and etc.) with 5 of our best offensive players ..
Bayless
JJ
RoCo
Ben
Embiid

Has only 95 ORtg

Its not we're playing grind out basketball for we run a modern type pace/space&dribble drive offense.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#890 » by James40 » Sat Oct 28, 2017 3:12 am

76ciology wrote:Per 100 possessions:
Ben Simmons off court: 85 ORtg
Ben Simmons on court: 100 ORtg

1.) why the team is really bad on offense ?
2.) the team with Simmons on court isnt that good on offense either, but definitely he makes a great impact

Our best line-up (everything considered like chemistry, on/off and etc.) with 5 of our best offensive players ..
Bayless
JJ
RoCo
Ben
Embiid

Has only 95 ORtg

Its not we're playing grind out basketball for we run a modern type pace/space&dribble drive offense.


Curious, what’s Simmons DRtg?
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#891 » by 76ciology » Sat Oct 28, 2017 3:16 am

James40 wrote:
76ciology wrote:Per 100 possessions:
Ben Simmons off court: 85 ORtg
Ben Simmons on court: 100 ORtg

1.) why the team is really bad on offense ?
2.) the team with Simmons on court isnt that good on offense either, but definitely he makes a great impact

Our best line-up (everything considered like chemistry, on/off and etc.) with 5 of our best offensive players ..
Bayless
JJ
RoCo
Ben
Embiid

Has only 95 ORtg

Its not we're playing grind out basketball for we run a modern type pace/space&dribble drive offense.


Curious, what’s Simmons DRtg?


Team plays way better on D with Simmons off court with 99DRtg (on) and 106DRtg (off). For me, its negligeable because both numbers are acceptable and I find him being inserted whenever Biid is off court to have stability on court.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#892 » by 76ciology » Sat Oct 28, 2017 3:25 am

76ciology wrote:Per 100 possessions:
Ben Simmons off court: 85 ORtg
Ben Simmons on court: 100 ORtg

1.) why the team is really bad on offense ?
2.) the team with Simmons on court isnt that good on offense either, but definitely he makes a great impact

Our best line-up (everything considered like chemistry, on/off and etc.) with 5 of our best offensive players ..
Bayless
JJ
RoCo
Ben
Embiid

Has only 95 ORtg

Its not we're playing grind out basketball for we run a modern type pace/space&dribble drive offense.


Wild guess..

Could it be Ben and Biid haven't found good chemistry on offense yet that when both guys are on court, we can execute good level offense yet?

Maybe Biid, shoot more 3s and turn the ball often when Simmons is on court while Ben has a hard time finishing whenever Biid clogs the paint?

Their two man game looked good against the Pistons and Wiz tho. They created good gravity and got the shooter good looks at the weakside.

The on/off could also be unreliable for Ben/Biid are subbing for two useless players in Saric/Amir for now. While the team really is useless whenever both guys are off court, except for that TJ helter skelter run against the Rox last game.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#893 » by Sixerscan » Sat Oct 28, 2017 3:47 am

4 games against 4 good teams. Wouldn't get too crazy about it.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#894 » by Ericb5 » Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:29 am

76ciology wrote:
James40 wrote:
76ciology wrote:Per 100 possessions:
Ben Simmons off court: 85 ORtg
Ben Simmons on court: 100 ORtg

1.) why the team is really bad on offense ?
2.) the team with Simmons on court isnt that good on offense either, but definitely he makes a great impact

Our best line-up (everything considered like chemistry, on/off and etc.) with 5 of our best offensive players ..
Bayless
JJ
RoCo
Ben
Embiid

Has only 95 ORtg

Its not we're playing grind out basketball for we run a modern type pace/space&dribble drive offense.


Curious, what’s Simmons DRtg?


Team plays way better on D with Simmons off court with 99DRtg (on) and 106DRtg (off). For me, its negligeable because both numbers are acceptable and I find him being inserted whenever Biid is off court to have stability on court.


Simmons clearly has excellent defensive tools, but I have noticed that his anticipation is really good as well too. His foot speed and anticipation are so good, and he thinks the game.


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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#895 » by nurseryc » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:25 am

It’s just a matter of time before our team goes on a winning streak
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#896 » by Kobblehead » Sat Oct 28, 2017 2:35 pm

I think a Ben Simmons lead offense is always going to be better with an assist converter in the paint (Nerlens Noel, Richaun Holmes, Amir Johnson) than it will be with a guy with sticky hands in the paint (Jahlil Okafor, Joel Embiid).

I think Embiid only being assisted on 53% of his 2pt FGs is a major impediment to this offense and is the main reason he and Simmons haven't clicked yet.

Kristaps Porzingis: 65% assisted on 2pt FGs, 3.2 offensive box plus minus
Karl-Anthony Towns: 68% assisted on 2pt FGs, 4.2 offensive box plus minus
Joel Embiid: 53% assisted on 2pt FGs, -1.2 offensive box plus minus

Joel Embiid is playing a BAD brand of offensive basketball.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#897 » by MNSixerFan » Sat Oct 28, 2017 2:51 pm

nurseryc wrote:It’s just a matter of time before our team goes on a winning streak

Tough schedule to start.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#898 » by ivysixer2000 » Sat Oct 28, 2017 3:10 pm

Kobblehead wrote:I think a Ben Simmons lead offense is always going to be better with an assist converter in the paint (Nerlens Noel, Richaun Holmes, Amir Johnson) than it will be with a guy with sticky hands in the paint (Jahlil Okafor, Joel Embiid).

I think Embiid only being assisted on 53% of his 2pt FGs is a major impediment to this offense and is the main reason he and Simmons haven't clicked yet.

Kristaps Porzingis: 65% assisted on 2pt FGs, 3.2 offensive box plus minus
Karl-Anthony Towns: 68% assisted on 2pt FGs, 4.2 offensive box plus minus
Joel Embiid: 53% assisted on 2pt FGs, -1.2 offensive box plus minus

Joel Embiid is playing a BAD brand of offensive basketball.


Guess its the Ball theory, its contagious.

Embiid is catching it from Okafor.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#899 » by ProcessDoctor » Sat Oct 28, 2017 3:44 pm

Kobblehead wrote:I think a Ben Simmons lead offense is always going to be better with an assist converter in the paint (Nerlens Noel, Richaun Holmes, Amir Johnson) than it will be with a guy with sticky hands in the paint (Jahlil Okafor, Joel Embiid).

I think Embiid only being assisted on 53% of his 2pt FGs is a major impediment to this offense and is the main reason he and Simmons haven't clicked yet.

Kristaps Porzingis: 65% assisted on 2pt FGs, 3.2 offensive box plus minus
Karl-Anthony Towns: 68% assisted on 2pt FGs, 4.2 offensive box plus minus
Joel Embiid: 53% assisted on 2pt FGs, -1.2 offensive box plus minus

Joel Embiid is playing a BAD brand of offensive basketball.


Not to turn this into an Embiid thread, but this is where coaching has to be assertive and let him know there needs to be a change. Hopefully Brown has the courage to do so.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#900 » by Ericb5 » Sat Oct 28, 2017 5:06 pm

Kobblehead wrote:I think a Ben Simmons lead offense is always going to be better with an assist converter in the paint (Nerlens Noel, Richaun Holmes, Amir Johnson) than it will be with a guy with sticky hands in the paint (Jahlil Okafor, Joel Embiid).

I think Embiid only being assisted on 53% of his 2pt FGs is a major impediment to this offense and is the main reason he and Simmons haven't clicked yet.

Kristaps Porzingis: 65% assisted on 2pt FGs, 3.2 offensive box plus minus
Karl-Anthony Towns: 68% assisted on 2pt FGs, 4.2 offensive box plus minus
Joel Embiid: 53% assisted on 2pt FGs, -1.2 offensive box plus minus

Joel Embiid is playing a BAD brand of offensive basketball.


I agree, but I think that Embiid’s assist rate for his field goals is a symptom and not a cause. As a team we need to get him the ball in position for easier baskets. We want his touches to go up, but the length of time the ball is in his hands to go down.

Both Brett Brown, and Ben Simmons need to make this a focus, and I believe that they will.


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