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mpharris36 wrote:Greenie wrote:mpharris36 wrote:
people should have had more confidence in CGjr though he knows what he's doing.
No.
Dude took Early as well...
no one has a 100% hit rate, especially in the 2nd round! He also took WHG in the second round too...he absolutely should have gotten the benefit of the doubt. We have a strong scouting squad.
Phish Tank wrote:why we talking about Melo again. (not to Greenie, but to everyone else).
Just leave him alone, please
TankCommander17 wrote:mpharris36 wrote:TankCommander17 wrote:He is still scouting for us right?
correct, he got a promotion too. He was orignial a scout and special advisor to Phil. Now he is VP of Player Personnel
Phil still needs credit because it still takes stones to make the picks where there were more fan friendly picks available...but he trusted gaines and gaines hasn't disappointed yet.
You talking about DSjr? Because the KP draft didn't have a consensus 4th pick.
Gaines disappointed with Ndour and shot in the knee.
Phish Tank wrote:why we talking about Melo again. (not to Greenie, but to everyone else).
Just leave him alone, please
________ MUKCA_________* ** GO NY GO NY GO NY GO! ** TankCommander17 wrote:Greenie wrote:TankCommander17 wrote:You also said THjr was not a bad contract so there is that.
Sips tea...
It’s not if he performs as he did in ATL.
You are paying players in today’s NBA.
Just take the L greenie. You f'ed up in this one. You usually hate on the right people though.
TankCommander17 wrote:Bill Pidto wrote:Phil was awesome in my eyes. I'll always appreciate his tenure and remember it fondly.
Honestly, some of the best things about him were his brash personality and willingness to toy with the NY media. If you ask me, the Knicks needed someone like him to cleanse the franchise. Now, everyone's on their best behavior. He sacrificed his "legacy" to rebuild the team because he knew it was the right thing. So I laugh at anyone who says he came here to collect a check and simply didn't care. He cared enough to do something no one else ever had the balls to do here, and now we're all better off for it. Talk about a legacy.
Him tearing teams down to tank for lottery picks, getting screwed in the draft lottery the first time and still turning the pick into absolute gold, and very possibly the best player in that draft, is nothing short of heart-warming. Then for him to hit this last pick with Frank out of the park like many of us now suspect he did... to me... was all well-worth some of the heartache the fickle NY fans were forced to endure throughout his tenure. It was all worth it, and it's a shame there were so many who couldn't see it that way before they became so emotional.
The biggest mystery that remains to me is Melo's NTC. I know that wasn't Phil's idea, and I know he couldn't have been happy about it. I hope he writes about it all one day.
Noah's contract
Lee's contract
Melo's NTC
Bashing Melo in the media and devaluing him right before trying to trade him.
Hiring Derek Fisher as a head coach
Hiring Jeff Hornacek when way better coaches were in the market but because Jeff is a puppet he hired him.
Trading Tyson Chandler for 2nd round picks and Jose Calderon lol.
Giving away Shump/JR for nothing.
Trying to trade KP! Imagine KP putting up 30/10 games and finally being able to hold his man on the post FOR ANOTHER TEAM!
How does that Booker/4th pick trade sound now that he wanted?
Was about to resign Rose for who knows what contract
Phil made some terrible terrible moves. His stubbornness caused players to see NYC still as a circus.
His big wins were
Not trading draft picks
Got lucky to draft 4th. What if we get the 2nd pick that year we probably pick Okafor and all this praise for the KP pick is nothing.
He hit on Frank it seems.
His tenure was a disaster.
KnicksGod wrote:He split time with Enes and Willy. That is the way to go.
Greenie wrote:mpharris36 wrote:Greenie wrote:No.
Dude took Early as well...
no one has a 100% hit rate, especially in the 2nd round! He also took WHG in the second round too...he absolutely should have gotten the benefit of the doubt. We have a strong scouting squad.
You just said he hasn’t disappointed...
mpharris36 wrote:Greenie wrote:mpharris36 wrote:
no one has a 100% hit rate, especially in the 2nd round! He also took WHG in the second round too...he absolutely should have gotten the benefit of the doubt. We have a strong scouting squad.
You just said he hasn’t disappointed...
i don't think missing on one second round pick disappointing...
KnickFan33 wrote:TankCommander17 wrote:Bill Pidto wrote:Phil was awesome in my eyes. I'll always appreciate his tenure and remember it fondly.
Honestly, some of the best things about him were his brash personality and willingness to toy with the NY media. If you ask me, the Knicks needed someone like him to cleanse the franchise. Now, everyone's on their best behavior. He sacrificed his "legacy" to rebuild the team because he knew it was the right thing. So I laugh at anyone who says he came here to collect a check and simply didn't care. He cared enough to do something no one else ever had the balls to do here, and now we're all better off for it. Talk about a legacy.
Him tearing teams down to tank for lottery picks, getting screwed in the draft lottery the first time and still turning the pick into absolute gold, and very possibly the best player in that draft, is nothing short of heart-warming. Then for him to hit this last pick with Frank out of the park like many of us now suspect he did... to me... was all well-worth some of the heartache the fickle NY fans were forced to endure throughout his tenure. It was all worth it, and it's a shame there were so many who couldn't see it that way before they became so emotional.
The biggest mystery that remains to me is Melo's NTC. I know that wasn't Phil's idea, and I know he couldn't have been happy about it. I hope he writes about it all one day.
Noah's contract
Lee's contract
Melo's NTC
Bashing Melo in the media and devaluing him right before trying to trade him.
Hiring Derek Fisher as a head coach
Hiring Jeff Hornacek when way better coaches were in the market but because Jeff is a puppet he hired him.
Trading Tyson Chandler for 2nd round picks and Jose Calderon lol.
Giving away Shump/JR for nothing.
Trying to trade KP! Imagine KP putting up 30/10 games and finally being able to hold his man on the post FOR ANOTHER TEAM!
How does that Booker/4th pick trade sound now that he wanted?
Was about to resign Rose for who knows what contract
Phil made some terrible terrible moves. His stubbornness caused players to see NYC still as a circus.
His big wins were
Not trading draft picks
Got lucky to draft 4th. What if we get the 2nd pick that year we probably pick Okafor and all this praise for the KP pick is nothing.
He hit on Frank it seems.
His tenure was a disaster.
I can appreciate that Phil had a plan and was sticking to it. Tried to implement a culture. No trades that mortgaged the future for a quick fixes moves. I think Noah's contract is the only glaring mistake of his tenure. Lee's contract, while not ideal, is far from horrible.
I'd say the same for Walsh. Planned to free up cap space for a big summer of free agency, accomplished said plan, whiffed on signing anybody.
Capn'O wrote:alphad0gz wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:hop on the bandwagon NOW! been hypin him up since february. FEBRUARY!!!!!!!!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHH
He may end up great but what I saw in the clip you posted was a tall athlete who could handle. He was playing against short D3 talent, didn't shoot well and seems to have a slow release. Decent passer and should have been dominant on the boards but wasn't. A standout athletically but not much else stood out to me at this time.
Agreed. Very unpolished. But young.
In that range, Bridges is very polished comparatively.
JBreezeNY wrote:KnickFan33 wrote:TankCommander17 wrote:Noah's contract
Lee's contract
Melo's NTC
Bashing Melo in the media and devaluing him right before trying to trade him.
Hiring Derek Fisher as a head coach
Hiring Jeff Hornacek when way better coaches were in the market but because Jeff is a puppet he hired him.
Trading Tyson Chandler for 2nd round picks and Jose Calderon lol.
Giving away Shump/JR for nothing.
Trying to trade KP! Imagine KP putting up 30/10 games and finally being able to hold his man on the post FOR ANOTHER TEAM!
How does that Booker/4th pick trade sound now that he wanted?
Was about to resign Rose for who knows what contract
Phil made some terrible terrible moves. His stubbornness caused players to see NYC still as a circus.
His big wins were
Not trading draft picks
Got lucky to draft 4th. What if we get the 2nd pick that year we probably pick Okafor and all this praise for the KP pick is nothing.
He hit on Frank it seems.
His tenure was a disaster.
I can appreciate that Phil had a plan and was sticking to it. Tried to implement a culture. No trades that mortgaged the future for a quick fixes moves. I think Noah's contract is the only glaring mistake of his tenure. Lee's contract, while not ideal, is far from horrible.
I'd say the same for Walsh. Planned to free up cap space for a big summer of free agency, accomplished said plan, whiffed on signing anybody.
He tried to contend then immediately tried to rebuild, he gave a NTC then tried to get rid of the man he gave a NTC to, that is not sticking to a plan.
Greenie wrote:mpharris36 wrote:Greenie wrote:You just said he hasn’t disappointed...
i don't think missing on one second round pick disappointing...
How about a 1st too?
Grant was his pick too.
Red Vines wrote:Offense & defense already look better than anything with Phil and we have some weak defensive players with little experience together.
KnicksGod wrote:Red Vines wrote:Offense & defense already look better than anything with Phil and we have some weak defensive players with little experience together.
Yeah but Phil got 3 core pieces and didn't go for quick fixes. He started to change the operating manual. Made a bunch of mistakes but the big stuff and overall arc was right and is paying off already.
Greenie wrote:mpharris36 wrote:Greenie wrote:No.
Dude took Early as well...
no one has a 100% hit rate, especially in the 2nd round! He also took WHG in the second round too...he absolutely should have gotten the benefit of the doubt. We have a strong scouting squad.
You just said he hasn’t disappointed...
Bill Pidto wrote:Phil was awesome in my eyes. I'll always appreciate his tenure and remember it fondly.
Honestly, some of the best things about him were his brash personality and willingness to toy with the NY media. If you ask me, the Knicks needed someone like him to cleanse the franchise. Now, everyone's on their best behavior. He sacrificed his "legacy" to rebuild the team because he knew it was the right thing. So I laugh at anyone who says he came here to collect a check and simply didn't care. He cared enough to do something no one else ever had the balls to do here, and now we're all better off for it. Talk about a legacy.
Him tearing teams down to tank for lottery picks, getting screwed in the draft lottery the first time and still turning the pick into absolute gold, and very possibly the best player in that draft, is nothing short of heart-warming. Then for him to hit this last pick with Frank out of the park like many of us now suspect he did... to me... was all well-worth some of the heartache the fickle NY fans were forced to endure throughout his tenure. It was all worth it, and it's a shame there were so many who couldn't see it that way before they became so emotional.
The biggest mystery that remains to me is Melo's NTC. I know that wasn't Phil's idea, and I know he couldn't have been happy about it. I hope he writes about it all one day.
Chanel Bomber wrote:This board really is full of bad people.