Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 2

[thamadkant]

Suns have to black list Klutch Sports players and staff.


They are trying to control franchises to serve their needs more than what the franchise does.


Bledsoe has been convinced and instructed to demand that trade once Watson was ousted.



Klutch Sports are scum

[jcsunsfan]

Suns have to black list Klutch Sports players and staff.


They are trying to control franchises to serve their needs more than what the franchise does.


Bledsoe has been convinced and instructed to demand that trade once Watson was ousted.



Klutch Sports are scum

And I think this is for LeBron's benefit, not Eric's. Eric is not going to get the contract that he wants, and I think this hurts it even more. Other managers are going to notice when a player just quits on his team because he does not get an extension. Extension refusals happen in all sports at all levels, players, coaches, management. People do not quit because they don't get an extension.

[sunsbum]

Why is anyone surprised at this Bledsoe move? They did the same thing the last time contract negotiations were happening. Remember how Bledsoe refused to talk to anyone all summer. Klutchs track record is iffy at best. The business is riding on the coat tails of LeBron if that tells you anything. In fact, it's Lebrons goddamn agency anyways. I can't wait to see what happens next year now that LeBron has the NBA by the balls along with his klutch posse.

[JMac1]

Bledsoe, Miami picks, and 2019 pick unprotected for Bayless/Fultz.

Three 1st possible top pick in '19 plus Bledsoe for an injured player? That seems like a lot.

[ATTL]

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Say what you will about marquese, he plays through nagging injuries. Rare for a player reliant on athleticism.

Also, I'm just catching up on the week worth of media coverage on the suns today and last night. Anyone laughing their asses off at media mentioning the Morri in the list of disgruntled players that wanted out of Phoenix? I can understand talking about Drag ic and Bledsoe but not those jabronis.

They had a felony case hanging over them, yelled at the coach, talked **** to fans and somehow its the organization thats to blame for them being ****.

[Blackification]

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Say what you will about marquese, he plays through nagging injuries. Rare for a player reliant on athleticism.

Also, I'm just catching up on the week worth of media coverage on the suns today and last night. Anyone laughing their asses off at media mentioning the Morri in the list of disgruntled players that wanted out of Phoenix? I can understand talking about Drag ic and Bledsoe but not those jabronis.

They had a felony case hanging over them, yelled at the coach, talked **** to fans and somehow its the organization thats to blame for them being ****.

That's because nobody in the media actually watches the team or really follows them. I've also noticed that they are very quick to take the players side in these issues which makes sense considering they are more likely to come out for a interview. Bledsoe was on ESPN before the season started and now they are taking his side completely.

[kennydorglas]

It'd help if none of those top prospects signed with Rich Paul, right?
In some ways, you have to blame some players for doing it.

[BobbieL]

Bledsoe, Miami picks, and 2019 pick unprotected for Bayless/Fultz.

Three 1st possible top pick in '19 plus Bledsoe for an injured player? That seems like a lot.

How about Teletovic and a 1st for Bledsoe straight up - (I still prefer to add Monroe and Chandler)

or the Denver deal as has been rumored

I think that is way too much for Fultz

[bwgood77]

Realistically, Nuggets pick top-7 protected plus expiring for Bled or Bled/Chandler for Thon/Tele/Monroe/1st. They should definitely be talking with Philly about Fultz but I still think he's untouchable given his fit with Simmons and what they gave up for him.

Bledsoe makes no sense for them anyway. It would be dumb to take the ball out of Simmon's hands and you want shooters with him. But yeah, they are not going to trade Fultz any time soon anyway.

[BobbieL]

Realistically, Nuggets pick top-7 protected plus expiring for Bled or Bled/Chandler for Thon/Tele/Monroe/1st. They should definitely be talking with Philly about Fultz but I still think he's untouchable given his fit with Simmons and what they gave up for him.

Bledsoe makes no sense for them anyway. It would be dumb to take the ball out of Simmon's hands and you want shooters with him. But yeah, they are not going to trade Fultz any time soon anyway.

I think Cleveland is out
to me, Denver and Bucks make the most sense
they have players they can move in Faried, Arthur, Teletovic plus a draft pick where contracts can match Bledsoe - plus , they can add a young player, Mudiay or DJ Wilson

also, if Ryan really wants Chandler - well that might mean no draft pick but you can add Monroe and Arthur and deals are cap workable

both teams are invested enough financially that Bled helps both. not sure how far both go, Bucks in the East go farther - but if you are the Nuggets and you have Plumlee and Millsap with big deals - you got to press it.

[GoCeltics123]

Realistically, Nuggets pick top-7 protected plus expiring for Bled or Bled/Chandler for Thon/Tele/Monroe/1st. They should definitely be talking with Philly about Fultz but I still think he's untouchable given his fit with Simmons and what they gave up for him.

Bledsoe makes no sense for them anyway. It would be dumb to take the ball out of Simmon's hands and you want shooters with him. But yeah, they are not going to trade Fultz any time soon anyway.

I think Cleveland is out
to me, Denver and Bucks make the most sense

The Nuggets and Bucks, according to two NBA officials, are regarded as the leaders in the Bledsoe Sweepstakes, although those same sources said a spate of other teams, including playoff-caliber ones like the Los Angeles Clippers, Boston and Miami, have internally tossed around the idea of acquiring Bledsoe.

http://woelfelspressbox.com/2017/10/will-bucks-succumb-to-suns-request-for-brogdon/

[WeekapaugGroove]

Realistically, Nuggets pick top-7 protected plus expiring for Bled or Bled/Chandler for Thon/Tele/Monroe/1st. They should definitely be talking with Philly about Fultz but I still think he's untouchable given his fit with Simmons and what they gave up for him.

Bledsoe makes no sense for them anyway. It would be dumb to take the ball out of Simmon's hands and you want shooters with him. But yeah, they are not going to trade Fultz any time soon anyway.

I think Cleveland is out
to me, Denver and Bucks make the most sense
they have players they can move in Faried, Arthur, Teletovic plus a draft pick where contracts can match Bledsoe - plus , they can add a young player, Mudiay or DJ Wilson

also, if Ryan really wants Chandler - well that might mean no draft pick but you can add Monroe and Arthur and deals are cap workable

both teams are invested enough financially that Bled helps both. not sure how far both go, Bucks in the East go farther - but if you are the Nuggets and you have Plumlee and Millsap with big deals - you got to press it.

I don't really buy Cleveland totally being out but I imagine their offer is poor. Bucks and nuggets definitely make sense. I'd add orlando to the list. They are off to a strong start and haven't made the playoffs in a while I could see them be tempted to make a win now move. Payton, hezonja, biyombo for chandler and bledsoe works in the trade machine. I would think/hope orlando would have to throw in a pick considering that biyombo contract sucks.

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[Kerrsed]

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Say what you will about marquese, he plays through nagging injuries. Rare for a player reliant on athleticism.

Also, I'm just catching up on the week worth of media coverage on the suns today and last night. Anyone laughing their asses off at media mentioning the Morri in the list of disgruntled players that wanted out of Phoenix? I can understand talking about Drag ic and Bledsoe but not those jabronis.

They had a felony case hanging over them, yelled at the coach, talked **** to fans and somehow its the organization thats to blame for them being ****.

Yeah, i posted the same thing a day ago on the General Board Thread:

He seems like a guy that is good at asset management but not personnel management. You guys have a ton of intriguing pieces but there always seems to be a tough mix (redundancy) and at least one guy PO'd because of it. Some of the situations you mentioned could have been avoided with some foresight and less abrasive public language. I like a lot of your young players though - **** there are so many with promise.

Yeah, but lets take a look at those players and their situations.

The MoBros - McD told them that the Suns wanted to re-sign them both and had a total of $52 million over 4 years to offer them and then asked them to split it how they wanted. There was nothing saying that we were going to keep them together forever. Its a business. And who knows, we just might have, but once you start having issues with players beating up someone on a high school campus thing change (yes they were acquitted, but only after they got 2 friends to plead guilty to it, we had a board member that was there and saw everything). Beat downs, Choking teammates, technical fouls left and right, bad attitudes, you have to make the move before it poisons your entire locker room.

IT - C'mon, thats straight up "Short Mans Syndrome". Mr. Irrelevant. Last pick in the draft. Always had a chip on his shoulder and knows that he would be looked at a hell of a lot differently if he was 4-5 inches taller, instead of being 5-11 on a good day. He trashed the Kings for trading him. He trashed the Suns for trading him. Hard for him to trash the Celtics when they traded him to the 2nd best team in the league, but he still expressed his disappointment with them for doing so.

Dragic - Look, we had Bledsoe. We didnt know if he was re-signing with us, so we approached both Dragic and IT. The Kings were pretty much GIVING Thomas away, so there was no way we could pass that up. We figured that if Bledsoe did re-sign, we could use Dragic as our 2-guard. He was on board, he signed the deal. But things changed when he didnt have the ball in his hands as much as he liked. On a lot of nights he was also being outplayed by Thomas (Due to Thomas playing back-up PG and Dragic still stuck at SG). Dragic grew frustrated and asked for a trade. Not only that, but gave us his 2 team list. We didnt HAVE to send him to one of those teams, and could have got a better offer elsewhere, but we did right by him and sent him to Miami.

[matt131]

Bledsoe makes no sense for them anyway. It would be dumb to take the ball out of Simmon's hands and you want shooters with him. But yeah, they are not going to trade Fultz any time soon anyway.

I think Cleveland is out
to me, Denver and Bucks make the most sense

The Nuggets and Bucks, according to two NBA officials, are regarded as the leaders in the Bledsoe Sweepstakes, although those same sources said a spate of other teams, including playoff-caliber ones like the Los Angeles Clippers, Boston and Miami, have internally tossed around the idea of acquiring Bledsoe.

http://woelfelspressbox.com/2017/10/will-bucks-succumb-to-suns-request-for-brogdon/

No way we trade with Miami and make their pick worse for us this year.
Celtics must not want to pay Smart next year. No other way that makes sense. They want a Bledsoe/Kyrie backcourt? Seems weird but not sure we would take Smart just to have him demand a ton of money.

[Kerrsed]

Dear Bucks Fans,

I know you are reading this board, just like many of us our reading yours. You need to stop with this "Only way we trade Thon is for Bender in return" nonsense. I know its only a select few of you, but you are not getting Bender. Lets compare. Bender was the 4th pick in the 2015 draft and Thon was selected 6 spots behind him. Bender was the youngest player in the draft (still raw) while Thon was the oldest player in the draft by a year or 2 (still really really raw). Bender missed quite a bit of time his rookie season with a foot injury and hasnt been given an opportunity to really show what he has and play with the starters, Thon has been given a ton of opportunities (And has been the starting C for 63 games) and still hasnt shown much. When Bender does play, his PER is usually the best on the team, When Thon plays he is constantly being outplayed by his replacements (Monroe/Henson).

So let us not act like Thon is a better prospect for Bender, which is essentially what you are doing when you add Bender into a Bledsoe trade.

Sincerely The Moderator-In-Chief,

Kerrsed The Base God

[BobbieL]

Bledsoe makes no sense for them anyway. It would be dumb to take the ball out of Simmon's hands and you want shooters with him. But yeah, they are not going to trade Fultz any time soon anyway.

I think Cleveland is out
to me, Denver and Bucks make the most sense
they have players they can move in Faried, Arthur, Teletovic plus a draft pick where contracts can match Bledsoe - plus , they can add a young player, Mudiay or DJ Wilson

also, if Ryan really wants Chandler - well that might mean no draft pick but you can add Monroe and Arthur and deals are cap workable

both teams are invested enough financially that Bled helps both. not sure how far both go, Bucks in the East go farther - but if you are the Nuggets and you have Plumlee and Millsap with big deals - you got to press it.

I don't really buy Cleveland totally being out but I imagine their offer is poor. Bucks and nuggets definitely make sense. I'd add orlando to the list. They are off to a strong start and haven't made the playoffs in a while I could see them be tempted to make a win now move. Payton, hezonja, biyombo for chandler and bledsoe works in the trade machine. I would think/hope orlando would have to throw in a pick considering that biyombo contract sucks.

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the Biyombo deal is through 2020 - that is not great. I think the Suns would be fine as the extensions would be Booker after 2019, Crhiss/Bender, 2020 and Josh 2021.

I think I still prefer Bucks if they part with Brogdan. If the Bucks want to dump Delly on the Suns - I would say Monroe, Delly and 1st for Chandler, Bledsoe. Delly is only 9m in year 4 -- not great but not like Biyombo

[Kerrsed]

No way we trade with Miami and make their pick worse for us this year.

Can you imagine the look on Dragic's face if they did trade for Bledsoe?

They really dont have anyone on that team that i would be interested in besides Whiteside.

I mean i would trade Bledsoe/Chandler/Chriss/Miami 1st back to them in return for Whiteside/Ellington(Filler), but dont see why Miami would do so unless they have that much faith in Bam.

[Wiltside]

Don't think the Heat would deal Whiteside unless we were getting another elite big back - and don't think we have the currency to acquire Bled from you guys otherwise.

We've put some thoughts together on the Bled situation, McD's history in these situations and some potential deals for Bledsoe. Would be interested in your thoughts: https://thefourpointplay.blog/2017/10/28/nba-phoenix-suns-ryan-mcdonough-bledsoe-plan/

[jcsunsfan]

Realistically, Nuggets pick top-7 protected plus expiring for Bled or Bled/Chandler for Thon/Tele/Monroe/1st. They should definitely be talking with Philly about Fultz but I still think he's untouchable given his fit with Simmons and what they gave up for him.

Bledsoe makes no sense for them anyway. It would be dumb to take the ball out of Simmon's hands and you want shooters with him. But yeah, they are not going to trade Fultz any time soon anyway.

I think Cleveland is out
to me, Denver and Bucks make the most sense
they have players they can move in Faried, Arthur, Teletovic plus a draft pick where contracts can match Bledsoe - plus , they can add a young player, Mudiay or DJ Wilson

also, if Ryan really wants Chandler - well that might mean no draft pick but you can add Monroe and Arthur and deals are cap workable

both teams are invested enough financially that Bled helps both. not sure how far both go, Bucks in the East go farther - but if you are the Nuggets and you have Plumlee and Millsap with big deals - you got to press it.

If Chandler is negative value in any deal, we need to keep him. He is more than negative value to us.

[BobbieL]

Bledsoe makes no sense for them anyway. It would be dumb to take the ball out of Simmon's hands and you want shooters with him. But yeah, they are not going to trade Fultz any time soon anyway.

I think Cleveland is out
to me, Denver and Bucks make the most sense
they have players they can move in Faried, Arthur, Teletovic plus a draft pick where contracts can match Bledsoe - plus , they can add a young player, Mudiay or DJ Wilson

also, if Ryan really wants Chandler - well that might mean no draft pick but you can add Monroe and Arthur and deals are cap workable

both teams are invested enough financially that Bled helps both. not sure how far both go, Bucks in the East go farther - but if you are the Nuggets and you have Plumlee and Millsap with big deals - you got to press it.

If Chandler is negative value in any deal, we need to keep him. He is more than negative value to us.

good point

and his contract expires in 2019 as it is - which is right when it needs to expire...