All Things Luka Doncic

[tria]

But if I understand correctly, when you are drafted, you are "doomed" to that team for 8 years? Yikes.

No clue how taxes work in Europe, but they are not nearly as much in the US.

Here you are wrong. I know your briliant president keeps repeating that US citizens are the most taxed in the world but in reality he is lying as usual:
http://www.independent.co.uk/infact/america-donald-trump-highly-taxed-nation-tweet-world-us-is-it-true-a7932461.html
About income tax:

The OECD finds that the US tax wedge for a single earner couple with two children is around 20.8 per cent.
Again, that’s well below the 25.8 per cent wedge in the UK, the 34 per cent wedge in Germany and the 40 per cent wedge in France.
In the list of 36 mainly developed world countries analysed by the OECD the US comes in at only 26th by this metric.

And as for the idea of the American population as a whole being the most highly-taxed nation on earth that is simply a falsehood.
http://www.oecd.org/tax/oecd-tax-rates-on-labour-income-stabilise-in-2015.htm

Also what Americans and also Europeans fail to take into account is the fact US salary is listed before tax and europeans list it after tax. So if someone says player is making 3 milions dollars in Europe, that means he is making way more than the player listed for having 3M salary in US.

[BoardCrusher]

Is there a reason why he's benched whole 3rd quarter? I havent watched first half.

my guess is, Laso was saving him for 4th quarter, he played 29 minutes in the end, you cant afford to play an 18 year old 30+ minutes in a game thats less important than some EL game

[SportsGuy8]

He simply saw and/or was told by others at halftime that he played Doncic for almost the entire 1st half, so they probably made a decision not to play him at all in the 3rd.

This schedule really is NBA-like, brutal for these players who aren't used to it. Even more so because they train much more than NBA players do. I do worry that Doncic is going to be exhausted again at the end of the season, like it clearly happened last season. His body probably needs another year or 2 of such schedule to fully adapt.

[916fan]

But if I understand correctly, when you are drafted, you are "doomed" to that team for 8 years? Yikes.

No clue how taxes work in Europe, but they are not nearly as much in the US.

Here you are wrong. I know your briliant president keeps repeating that US citizens are the most taxed in the world but in reality he is lying as usual:
http://www.independent.co.uk/infact/america-donald-trump-highly-taxed-nation-tweet-world-us-is-it-true-a7932461.html
About income tax:

The OECD finds that the US tax wedge for a single earner couple with two children is around 20.8 per cent.
Again, that’s well below the 25.8 per cent wedge in the UK, the 34 per cent wedge in Germany and the 40 per cent wedge in France.
In the list of 36 mainly developed world countries analysed by the OECD the US comes in at only 26th by this metric.

And as for the idea of the American population as a whole being the most highly-taxed nation on earth that is simply a falsehood.
Oh ****, I completely misworded that. I meant to say that I knew taxes in the US weren't as much as Europe. I was really confused on why you were going on with that lol.

I'd say a majority of Americans 90% know that Europe's taxes are much more than the US. This is why some people don't want universal healthcare here. They point to the Europeans and to say how little take-home money they have. Don't want to turn this into a political debate though.

In the end, I think Doncic will still make more money on his rookie scale than any salary they'd be willing to give to him at Real.

[tria]

And as for the idea of the American population as a whole being the most highly-taxed nation on earth that is simply a falsehood.
Oh ****, I completely misworded that. I meant to say that I knew taxes in the US weren't as much as Europe. I was really confused on why you were going on with that lol.

I'd say a majority of Americans 90% know that Europe's taxes are much more than the US. This is why some people don't want universal healthcare here. They point to the Europeans and to say how little take-home money they have. Don't want to turn this into a political debate though.

In the end, I think Doncic will still make more money on his rookie scale than any salary they'd be willing to give to him at Real.

True that, moneywise NBA top3 picks go above highest euro salary in first year, with increase they go way above. So unless Real goes above everything seen so far...

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[Cipoteman]

Kinda stupid to simplify athletism as ability to just run & jump... as an example, KJ McDaniels is out of the NBA right now, while Marc Gasol, who is not quick at all and came to the league as an overweight center, is a top-5 defender in the NBA.

Not being flashy and unable to dunk on traffic doesn't automatically make sb unathletic. Luka is wide and has strong legs, he can post up and knows how to use his body to gain and hold his position on the court. For European standards I would say he is very athletic, and for worldwide 18-yo guys I definitely state he's impressive.

I would like to see how many currently lottery projected prospects - if any - would hold their position against Felipe Reyes to catch a rebound, or would move Jonas Maciulis in the post. At the same time I doubt that Reyes or Maciulis can dunk as of October, 2017, but I'm pretty sure they've spent years and years lifting weight on the gym.

[SportsGuy8]

Skeptics base their skepticism on the fact that there hasn't been a European PERIMETER star in quite a while, especially when it comes to players that lacked elite speed, quickness and leaping ability. Everyone agrees that big men can succeed even if they're somewhat lacking athletically, but as a perimeter player, they think you at least need to have something elite, like how Parker and Dragic have/had elite speed, for example.

What they fail to see is that none of these European players had anywhere near the skill level and understanding of basketball that Doncic has. He's simply great at basketball. And unlike some other players that were somewhat similarly special (several Euro stars that stayed in Europe) he's not nearly as physically "challenged" as they were. All things considered (also strength, running speed, size) he really should be an above average perimeter athlete even in the NBA. It's not like he's Teodosic physically/athletically.

[Rasho Brezec]

Sorry, but it's extremely unlikely Doncic will be anything more than an average athlete for a perimeter player.

He lacks:

- first step to blow by the perimeter defender
- explosiveness of one foot to create enough separation between him and the rim defender

He should copy Parker, Dragic and Navarro's moves because he won't be able to finish around the basket like Harden or Irving.

[SportsGuy8]

To me things like strength and being able to move well with added size/weight count as athleticism also and I expect him to be quite above average there.

I do also worry about his lack of explosiveness off one foot. I don't even remember any instances when he even tried it.

He's going to have to be extremely crafty under the basket, yes, but he already showed that quite a bit, so I wouldn't worry there.

[Mulholland]

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[pacersGM]

Skeptics base their skepticism on the fact that there hasn't been a European PERIMETER star in quite a while, especially when it comes to players that lacked elite speed, quickness and leaping ability. Everyone agrees that big men can succeed even if they're somewhat lacking athletically, but as a perimeter player, they think you at least need to have something elite, like how Parker and Dragic have/had elite speed, for example.

What they fail to see is that none of these European players had anywhere near the skill level and understanding of basketball that Doncic has. He's simply great at basketball. And unlike some other players that were somewhat similarly special (several Euro stars that stayed in Europe) he's not nearly as physically "challenged" as they were. All things considered (also strength, running speed, size) he really should be an above average perimeter athlete even in the NBA. It's not like he's Teodosic physically/athletically.

I dont know who you consider a skeptic, if its someone who thinks doncic can be a solid nba player but cant climb to magic johnsons level with his given talent and abilities, then you have to rethink some stuff.

Second. There has never been a perimeter superstar from europe in the nba PERIOD. (lets put parker in there and maybe petrovic /after the world realized what they lost). There have been athletes who had potential, and virtuoso skilled guys who had other deficiencies wich didnt pan out in the nba. And doncic as much as he is a basketball romantic skilled genious, he wont be able to hang with the big boys as far to pull him self above them / read: put him self on magic johnson & co level

[Rasho Brezec]

To me things like strength and being able to move well with added size/weight count as athleticism also and I expect him to be quite above average there.

That's mostly due to his great ballhandling. At 6'8, 228 lbs he is the prototypical SF. And your average starting SF will be stronger and faster than him.

[J_T]

Skeptics base their skepticism on the fact that there hasn't been a European PERIMETER star in quite a while, especially when it comes to players that lacked elite speed, quickness and leaping ability. Everyone agrees that big men can succeed even if they're somewhat lacking athletically, but as a perimeter player, they think you at least need to have something elite, like how Parker and Dragic have/had elite speed, for example.

What they fail to see is that none of these European players had anywhere near the skill level and understanding of basketball that Doncic has. He's simply great at basketball. And unlike some other players that were somewhat similarly special (several Euro stars that stayed in Europe) he's not nearly as physically "challenged" as they were. All things considered (also strength, running speed, size) he really should be an above average perimeter athlete even in the NBA. It's not like he's Teodosic physically/athletically.

I watched a documentary about Petrovic a while ago, and it was funny to see why he looked like a failure in NBA for first couple of seasons. Basically NBA teams considered Europeans inferior in every way and they thought it was a joke to even consider that they might be good players. So Portland told him, look Drazen, you are not strong enough, you are not athletic enough, you are not able to create your own shot. This is not Europe, this is NBA. So what we want you to do is go over there in the corner, wait for the ball and then shoot. Don't move from the spot. Of course this was extremely frustrating for someone as creative and productive as Drazen was, so he asked for trade. Fortunately this kind of prejudice has not been around NBA lately, outside of couple guys in this thread. This is the type of "experts" and "objective" geniuses, who were making decisions in Portland back then.

[Johnny Firpo]

That's mostly due to his great ballhandling. At 6'8, 228 lbs he is the prototypical SF. And your average starting SF will be stronger and faster than him.

Why would they be stronger?

[Mirotic12]

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There is no NBA Hall of Fame. So called NBA Hall of Fame inducted Nikos Galis this year.

Yeah that's kind of the point. A player like Michael Redd has no shot at the Hall of Fame, but a European player with his exact same NBA career who once led his team to a bronze medal in Eurobasket or something would be a shoo-in. Big difference between that sort of NBA career and one like Dirk's.

That is absolutely 100% totally false.

Only the best of the best of the best career resumes from European players ever came to close to even sniffing a Basketball Hall of Fame induction.

A Micheal Redd NBA career, and a bronze medal once in EuroBasket would definitely NOT get any European player even remotely near to consideration.

He simply saw and/or was told by others at halftime that he played Doncic for almost the entire 1st half, so they probably made a decision not to play him at all in the 3rd.

This schedule really is NBA-like, brutal for these players who aren't used to it. Even more so because they train much more than NBA players do. I do worry that Doncic is going to be exhausted again at the end of the season, like it clearly happened last season. His body probably needs another year or 2 of such schedule to fully adapt.

It's way harder than NBA schedule. Basically same amount of games, but way more practices, more travel (no conferences), and much harder travel conditions in general, and much longer length of season. Also that most EuroLeague players have to play in their national teams, making their playing schedule 11 out of 12 months of the year.

Several EuroLeague teams had to start private charter flights because their players couldn't even get up to practice.

That's mostly due to his great ballhandling. At 6'8, 228 lbs he is the prototypical SF. And your average starting SF will be stronger and faster than him.

Why would they be stronger?

Maybe not several years from now, but they will be if we are talking next season. Doncic is only physically able to match up with smallish point guards in EuroLeague. The shooting guards, and especially the small forwards are all very clearly stronger than he is.

Playing-wise, he does not look 18, but in terms of strength, he easily looks like a kid playing against men.

[NDave79]

Playing-wise, he does not look 18, but in terms of strength, he easily looks like a kid playing against men.

I haven't watched enough of Luka to know if this is true, but if he is truly a "kid playing against men" strength wise, he is going to be insane once he has grown up man strength.

[SpoSucks]

That's mostly due to his great ballhandling. At 6'8, 228 lbs he is the prototypical SF. And your average starting SF will be stronger and faster than him.

Why would they be stronger?

Mirotic12
"Maybe not several years from now, but they will be if we are talking next season. Doncic is only physically able to match up with smallish point guards in EuroLeague. The shooting guards, and especially the small forwards are all very clearly stronger than he is.

Playing-wise, he does not look 18, but in terms of strength, he easily looks like a kid playing against men."


Nonsense.

The way he rebounded in Eurobasket this summer was impossible if he was as weak as you say he is. Fourth in rebounds per game. Could not happen as a weakling. He grabbed so many rebounds in a crowd it was unreal. And, no, I'm not a Euro homer. I just recognize greatness.

[SportsGuy8]

I don't think it's necessarily Doncic's strength that gets underrated, but that it's other players' strength that gets overrated, mostly because of size and muscular definition. There are a whole bunch of such players in the NBA who then never manage to collect the strength for such rebounds in crowds.

He simply saw and/or was told by others at halftime that he played Doncic for almost the entire 1st half, so they probably made a decision not to play him at all in the 3rd.

This schedule really is NBA-like, brutal for these players who aren't used to it. Even more so because they train much more than NBA players do. I do worry that Doncic is going to be exhausted again at the end of the season, like it clearly happened last season. His body probably needs another year or 2 of such schedule to fully adapt.

It's way harder than NBA schedule. Basically same amount of games, but way more practices, more travel (no conferences), and much harder travel conditions in general, and much longer length of season. Also that most EuroLeague players have to play in their national teams, making their playing schedule 11 out of 12 months of the year.

Several EuroLeague teams had to start private charter flights because their players couldn't even get up to practice.

Yep, true.

Traveling isn't that hard with Real, though, because unlike many other Euroleague teams, they should be giving their players an NBA level type of luxurious travel.

But everything else still stands and this is something that's actually going to make Doncic the most NBA-ready prospect in history! Seriously, he's going to be completely adapted to the grueling schedule, not to mention already having such a complete game.

That still doesn't mean he's going to end up the best of his class, though, obviously.

[SportsGuy8]

Skeptics base their skepticism on the fact that there hasn't been a European PERIMETER star in quite a while, especially when it comes to players that lacked elite speed, quickness and leaping ability. Everyone agrees that big men can succeed even if they're somewhat lacking athletically, but as a perimeter player, they think you at least need to have something elite, like how Parker and Dragic have/had elite speed, for example.

What they fail to see is that none of these European players had anywhere near the skill level and understanding of basketball that Doncic has. He's simply great at basketball. And unlike some other players that were somewhat similarly special (several Euro stars that stayed in Europe) he's not nearly as physically "challenged" as they were. All things considered (also strength, running speed, size) he really should be an above average perimeter athlete even in the NBA. It's not like he's Teodosic physically/athletically.

I dont know who you consider a skeptic, if its someone who thinks doncic can be a solid nba player but cant climb to magic johnsons level with his given talent and abilities, then you have to rethink some stuff.

Second. There has never been a perimeter superstar from europe in the nba PERIOD. (lets put parker in there and maybe petrovic /after the world realized what they lost). There have been athletes who had potential, and virtuoso skilled guys who had other deficiencies wich didnt pan out in the nba. And doncic as much as he is a basketball romantic skilled genious, he wont be able to hang with the big boys as far to pull him self above them / read: put him self on magic johnson & co level

The thing is, nobody was nearly as complete of a player as Doncic. Most other perimeter stars in Europe were simply scorers. Drazen, Parker, Dragic ... They all excelled at scoring, but weren't anywhere near as special elsewhere.

Doncic isn't going to really need to put up much more than 20ppg to end up becoming a superstar. But please note that I'm still not saying he's going to become one, it's obviously an extremely hard and unlikely task to get to that level.

P.s.: Last season your main issue with him was that he was "only" averaging 8 ppg. I kept telling you that you need to look at both his role and per36 to get a clearer picture. Did the start of this season change your mind ... just a little bit?