Game 6: Los Angeles Lakers (2-3) @ Utah Jazz (2-3) - LOSS - 2-4

Post #101 » by **Goudelock** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 4:37 am

XXBKXX wrote:It's like Lonzo is literally scared to finish at the rim...

I'd be scared too if Rudy Gobert was waiting for me at the rim.

GoodDayLa · Post #102 » by **GoodDayLa** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 4:52 am

The coaches are doing a bad job. Their job is to identify talent, the right players, and the right combos to play. Luke has been failing miserably this season.

A lot of guys on this team can play. A lot of them dont play well together. And some of them do. Luke has to bench some of them and live with the decisions.

You can't play the entire roster and see what guys give you on any given night. It has NEVER worked like that.

It's crystal clear Ball has natural chemistry with Kuzma. And Kuzma is very good. So start them. Stop the charade of Kuzma off the bench.

Figure out if Randle or Nance are going to get benched. There are only so many minutes to go around.

I could go on and on but I'm sure a lot of you guys see the same thing.

Start Lopez Kuzma Ingram KCP Ball.

Play 3 or 4 guys off the bench and figure out who they are Luke.

Bench the rest. It's the NBA. Not everyone gets to play. Just make sure you get it right.

Post #103 » by **TyCobb** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 5:20 am

Missed the game... Worth watching to see what went wrong?

Spens1 · Post #104 » by **Spens1** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 5:25 am

Should lock the players in the gym overnight and tell them to practice their shooting cause damn, they can't shoot at all.

I'm willing to say it now, Lonzo's shooting has come in far worse than advertised. Seriously he sucks at it.

BEazy · Post #105 » by **BEazy** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 5:56 am

Glad I missed this game. Would of ruined my night.

Post #106 » by **TyCobb** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 6:07 am

The bench needs to stop seeing the floor under 8 minutes left in the game...

stan francisco · Post #107 » by **stan francisco** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 6:13 am

I'm with you, if you look at only the next game. But look at the next 77 instead.

If Luke starts Kuzma, he will hit the rookie wall in December. He will also lose some of the confidence he's built up, having to play against starting NBA stars every night. I think Luke obviously considers it. After all, he benched all the starters in the fourth tonight. They are all put on notice. We have a good bench.

As a coach, you also can't just throw your starters under the bus the second someone else plays well for a while, like MDA would do. It breeds distrust in coach and creates uncertainty, which is detrimental to the team.

Kupchak9 · Post #108 » by **Kupchak9** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 6:37 am

KCP really doesn't deserve to start. He starts because his agent (Rich Paul) wants him to build up his brand for a better contract next offseason. We do Rich a solid and he helps us recruit Lebron. That's pretty much it...

Post #109 » by **TyCobb** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:09 am

Post-game Sportsnet was extra good tonight. James Worthy and Jamison breaking it down.

kobe_vs_jordan · Post #110 » by **kobe_vs_jordan** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:39 am

Spens1 wrote:Should lock the players in the gym overnight and tell them to practice their shooting cause damn, they can't shoot at all.

I'm willing to say it now, Lonzo's shooting has come in far worse than advertised. Seriously he sucks at it.

Shooting is fine, he shot 50 percent from deep today. Scoring on the other hand is a bit concerning. He has to figure out a way to finish at the rim .

mambo · Post #111 » by **mambo** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:43 am

Lopez and KCP were trash!!!!! Kcp cant shoot lopez cant defend cant hit trees and cant rebound. Can we sign someone like Jordan Hill or something like that????

ElectricMayhem · Post #112 » by **ElectricMayhem** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 10:18 am

If it makes you feel any better, KCP will have a 3-4 week stretch where he seems like he turned the corner and he's playing at a near All-Star level. Look forward to that because it's awesome when it happens every year.

Dloading99 · Post #113 » by **Dloading99** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 10:47 am

DLO traded our best scorer shooter in an era where the three pointer and shooting is emphasized we have none of it. Thanks Magic. Thanks Rob. you two are doing a tremendous Job. I'll be at DLO bowl. and he'll drop 50. would've been nice to see him with Ball and Ingram but hey we got that cap space. no draft pick either. it gets great. and Lebron is coming. But Hey Magic we got that CAP SPACE. thanks Jeanie and Thanks Luke. and Thanks Magic again. Luke really I know you didn't like the trade. and you are trying to develop these guys. glad you're the coach cause magic don't know what he's doing. and Jordan Clarkson should be starting. Dude continues to put up numbers.

RingsDontLie · Post #114 » by **RingsDontLie** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 11:47 am

Dloading99 wrote:DLO traded our best scorer shooter in an era where the three pointer and shooting is emphasized we have none of it. Thanks Magic. Thanks Rob. you two are doing a tremendous Job. I'll be at DLO bowl. and he'll drop 50. would've been nice to see him with Ball and Ingram but hey we got that cap space. no draft pick either. it gets great. and Lebron is coming. But Hey Magic we got that CAP SPACE. thanks Jeanie and Thanks Luke. and Thanks Magic again. Luke really I know you didn't like the trade. and you are trying to develop these guys. glad you're the coach cause magic don't know what he's doing. and Jordan Clarkson should be starting. Dude continues to put up numbers.

They took that risk because they believed they could of got Paul George in the summer. They didn't realize that Indiana would shoot themselves in the head before it helped Paul George or the Lakers :lol:

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It would be nice to see this team with DLo actually. I thought DLo and Ball would work fine, but DLo is what it took to shed Mozgov and open up opportunities down the road. So that trade though questionable, can still become a good move if we get Paul George next season. And I believe Paul George comes here next season even if it is just to spite Indiana for trading him to OKC.

And dont' speak too soon, it's still early. Ball can turn things around, it his only his first month in the regular season after all.

ISayshowmee · Post #115 » by **ISayshowmee** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 1:06 pm

Can we get Mozgov and D'Russell back ? Lopez....please retire

GoodDayLa · Post #116 » by **GoodDayLa** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 5:38 pm

stan francisco wrote:I'm with you, if you look at only the next game. But look at the next 77 instead.

If Luke starts Kuzma, he will hit the rookie wall in December. He will also lose some of the confidence he's built up, having to play against starting NBA stars every night. I think Luke obviously considers it. After all, he benched all the starters in the fourth tonight. They are all put on notice. We have a good bench.

As a coach, you also can't just throw your starters under the bus the second someone else plays well for a while, like MDA would do. It breeds distrust in coach and creates uncertainty, which is detrimental to the team.

A lot of rookies start in the NBA. Why can't Kuzma start? Because he was pick #27 and not #1? He has shown he has talent and has touch around the basket and decent quickness and a 3 ball that can fall some nights. His natural chemistry with Ball is second to none. If Ball is the future, I say spread the floor and play him. Magic/Worthy 2017.

GoodDayLa · Post #117 » by **GoodDayLa** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 5:49 pm

ISayshowmee wrote:Can we get Mozgov and D'Russell back ? Lopez....please retire

I watched Lopez in Brooklyn last season closely. Lopez is extremely talented offensively. He is a load. But he is not suited to an uptempo attack. He is better off playing for the Memphis Grizzlies or Sacramento Kings.

Any team with a midspeed offense would work for Lopez.

I understand why he starts. He's there to steady the offense and get the game going properly. He's a go to scorer offensively.

However, with Ball, it's clear you want speed, quickness, length, and versatility around him. Brook has to be the #1 option almost for him to prove his worth. He needs volume touches & needs to be fed a lot by everyone. When he's just 1 of 5 out there and watching Ingram be the #1 scoring option, he looks rather forgettable.

stan francisco · Post #118 » by **stan francisco** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:44 pm

GoodDayLa wrote:
stan francisco wrote:I'm with you, if you look at only the next game. But look at the next 77 instead.

If Luke starts Kuzma, he will hit the rookie wall in December. He will also lose some of the confidence he's built up, having to play against starting NBA stars every night. I think Luke obviously considers it. After all, he benched all the starters in the fourth tonight. They are all put on notice. We have a good bench.

As a coach, you also can't just throw your starters under the bus the second someone else plays well for a while, like MDA would do. It breeds distrust in coach and creates uncertainty, which is detrimental to the team.

A lot of rookies start in the NBA. Why can't Kuzma start? Because he was pick #27 and not #1? He has shown he has talent and has touch around the basket and decent quickness and a 3 ball that can fall some nights. His natural chemistry with Ball is second to none. If Ball is the future, I say spread the floor and play him. Magic/Worthy 2017.

I'm not the coach. You're barking at the wrong tree. I'd have a hard time not starting him, too.

A wild guess at why, again, I'm not the coach (wtf) lol
If you start him now, you have to give him starters' minutes, say 30-32 per game. All rookies, first picks and 27 picks alike, will hit the wall playing such minutes, roughly sometime between mid December and mid January.

So, want to eat the cake now or have it later?

Landsberger · Post #119 » by **Landsberger** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:40 pm

Just watched this on the DVR. Oooofff.... that was a tough game to watch. Ingram had some good stretches again against a less physical set of players. JC put up some decent numbers in limited minutes (he's averaging more this year than last in 10 fewer minutes). Ball had another tough game. They are really starting to play him to pass 100% of the time. He needs to adjust. KCP is still a mystery to me. Hart can do what he does for us for 1/10th the cost. Lopez is not comfortable with this offense and it's showing.

The starting lineup has no one who can force themselves on a defense. It also has 2 players who are not keeping defenses honest in Nance and Ball. Kuzma needs to be in that line up somewhere. Lopez is an advantage against a lot of teams if we use him right but the system is dictating at the moment. It would be nice to see an adjustment and have him isolated on the block 10 times a game. That is where he can score for us.

Tough back to back for the kids.

Edrees · Post #120 » by **Edrees** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:05 pm

People need to stop over reacting. We'd be winning all these games if we just hit open 3 pointers at an average rate. It's the 1 reason for all our troubles. Not talking about contested shots but wide open 3 pointers. We hit those at .350 and we win this game and prob last game too. For a young team, I'm satisfied with our D, ball movement, decision making, effort etc. We just suck at outside shooting, it's that easy