Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 2

[Bogyo]

Don't think the Heat would deal Whiteside unless we were getting another elite big back - and don't think we have the currency to acquire Bled from you guys otherwise.

We've put some thoughts together on the Bled situation, McD's history in these situations and some potential deals for Bledsoe. Would be interested in your thoughts: https://thefourpointplay.blog/2017/10/28/nba-phoenix-suns-ryan-mcdonough-bledsoe-plan/

Really good writeup, especially coming from a non-Suns-fan, congrats.
Also, realistic trade scenarios. I like the NY one, as I always liked O'Quinn. One thing you left out in my opinion is that we can sweeten any deal with up to 3 2nd round draft picks this year. We don't really need them with all the young guys, and other GMs might start to treat us like Boston in this regard. I know I would if I were an opposing GM.

[BobbieL]

I would try and up an offer to Milwaukee to pry Brogdon from them.

Brogdon/Monroe/Tele for Bledsoe/Chandler/3 2nd round picks. We have enough young players and draft picks. Rather give up 2nd rounders and get a known commodity in return while shedding Bled and Chandler. Chandler is done. If Williams wasn't injured still, Chandler would be useless to the team. I get the vet thing, but I think Dudley is enough wise old vet for the team. Len is outplaying Chandler on the reg.

What say you if Bucks countered your Brogdon/Monroe/Tele for Bledsoe/Chandler/3 2nd round picks with? -

Brogdon/Monroe/Tele for Bledsoe/Chandler/PHX '19 (#15 - #30)*

*if not conveyed becomes PHX '20 (#11 - #30) >>> then '21 (#6 - #30) >>> then '22 unprotected

...just starting to think McD is going to have to attach a (decent to good) future pick to get a nice return on Bledsoe at this point

I am okay with this kind of trade. I am for willing to include the Suns second rounder for a guy like Brogdan.

Right now, the Suns have two first rounders and three second rounders. I guess if they finish with one of the best give records, they lose the second rounder to Memphis. So, lets be honest, that's five picks. Sure, some of them can be stashed overseas; I am sure Sarver would love to trade a second for 3m like the Bulls did. But right now the Suns have enough young players. I would prefer Brogdan to a first round pick from Milwaukee. The suns have the talent - just need it to mature and grow

So sure start protecting the pick a little but in the mean time - the Bucks can have the Suns second rounder and even another second rounder. If the deal is as you outlined.

[paulpressey25]

As a Bucks fan let me counter with a trade proposal you won't be in love with, but then again neither will our board.

Brogdon, Henson, Dellevadova for Bledsoe.

Bucks give up the guy they absolutely don't want to part with but in the process dump two contracts they need to move to get some roster flexibility going forward. PHX gets the best "fit" player to pair with Booker.

[jcsunsfan]

As a Bucks fan let me counter with a trade proposal you won't be in love with, but then again neither will our board.

Brogdon, Henson, Dellevadova for Bledsoe.

Bucks give up the guy they absolutely don't want to part with but in the process dump two contracts they need to move to get some roster flexibility going forward. PHX gets the best "fit" player to pair with Booker.

It’s a step in the right direction and it’s a fair offer. But the Suns will not do it because they have been angling to be players in free agency in the summer of 2019. Brogdon will be a free agent before then. I do not believe they would take those two salaries along with Brogdon for free, let along give up Bledsoe.

It would mean in the summer of 2019 that the result of this trade could be Bledsoe traded, Brogdon gone, they are still paying Henson and Delly, and they do not have the money to shop in free agency because of this trade. If McD is not fired by then, he certainly would get fired over this trade.


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[paulpressey25]

But the Suns will not do it because they have been angling to be players in free agency in the summer of 2019. Brogdon will be a free agent before then.

You guys won't be players in free agency nor will the Bucks. Neither place is enough of a destination market unless you want to overpay a then aging Jimmy Butler or Milsap with a $160mm deal.

Suns would have RFA rights on Brogdon to match any offer when he's a FA. Bledsoe will walk as a UFA.

Henson would be in the running to be your best center although I realize that isn't saying much.

Completely understand you may not want that deal. Just noting it isn't the end of the world to overpay for one player who is a complete fit for your team, which Brogdon is.

[BobbieL]

As a Bucks fan let me counter with a trade proposal you won't be in love with, but then again neither will our board.

Brogdon, Henson, Dellevadova for Bledsoe.

Bucks give up the guy they absolutely don't want to part with but in the process dump two contracts they need to move to get some roster flexibility going forward. PHX gets the best "fit" player to pair with Booker.

It’s a step in the right direction and it’s a fair offer. But the Suns will not do it because they have been angling to be players in free agency in the summer of 2019. Brogdon will be a free agent before then. I do not believe they would take those two salaries along with Brogdon for free, let along give up Bledsoe.

It would mean in the summer of 2019 that the result of this trade could be Bledsoe traded, Brogdon gone, they are still paying Henson and Delly, and they do not have the money to shop in free agency because of this trade. If McD is not fired by then, he certainly would get fired over this trade.


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I would do one of those players, Delly but not Henson. As was said, Suns are hoping for cap space in 2019 and Henson/Delly would add 20m. Suns already have Knight at 14m for that year too. I would think the Bucks would need to take Chandler for Monroe so the Suns get cap savings for Chandler for taking on Delly for one more year

I am going to stick with the adding a future first and a couple seconds now

[paulpressey25]

As was said, Suns are hoping for cap space in 2019

Still think you guys are nuts on the cap space dream going anwyhere but substitute this variant:

Brogdon, Telly, Delly for Bledsoe. That cuts off the $9.6 million Henson owed in 2019. Telly's deal only runs through next year.

I'm still not sure I like it and our board wouldn't but it is a thought.

[Saberestar]

As was said, Suns are hoping for cap space in 2019

Still think you guys are nuts on the cap space dream going anwyhere but substitute this variant:

Brogdon, Telly, Delly for Bledsoe. That cuts off the $9.6 million Henson owed in 2019. Telly's deal only runs through next year.

I'm still not sure I like it and our board wouldn't but it is a thought.

I would do it. Not crazy about the offer, but I think is a good one because of Brogdon.

Dellavedova is a decent player. We can always play him a few minutes here or there at PG or SG.

Brogdon would be our starting PG and he is a PERFECT fit next to Booker, and he can play some nimutes next to Ulis too.

Teletovic is a good pro who is an expiring next year.
He would not play at all with Bender, Chriss and Dudley here, but he is needed to match salaries.

[Mulhollanddrive]

If your no.1 target is in the trade you can compromise other pieces.

If it's not worth it then maybe he's the wrong player in the first place.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

As was said, Suns are hoping for cap space in 2019

Still think you guys are nuts on the cap space dream going anwyhere but substitute this variant:

Brogdon, Telly, Delly for Bledsoe. That cuts off the $9.6 million Henson owed in 2019. Telly's deal only runs through next year.

I'm still not sure I like it and our board wouldn't but it is a thought.

I would do it. Not crazy about the offer, but I think is a good one because of Brogdon.

Dellavedova is a decent player. We can always play him a few minutes here or there at PG or SG.

Brogdon would be our starting PG and he is a PERFECT fit next to Booker, and he can play some nimutes next to Ulis too.

Teletovic is a good pro who is an expiring next year.
He would not play at all with Bender, Chriss and Dudley here, but he is needed to match salaries.

I don't understand why any Suns fans are considering this. Brogdon is a pretty good player. How far behind is Mike James? Will Ulis be better? If we shaved Bled's salary for nothing, could we get a better PG in free agency? Could we draft a better one with our pick next year, or the year after that? Or with the Miami pick? Or with one of the three second rounders in the upcoming draft?

This is classic grass is always greener-ism. John Henson is useless and that contract belongs nowhere near our books. Not accepting him under any circumstances. Brogdon barely moves my needle (obviously) and certainly doesn't move it into accept an awful contract in addition territory - and that would probably be true for me even if we weren't sending Bledsoe out in the deal. Why are we the team having to make the accommodations here? Bled is by far the best player in this deal, now and later, and he's on a great contract.

Get real.

[Saberestar]

Still think you guys are nuts on the cap space dream going anwyhere but substitute this variant:

Brogdon, Telly, Delly for Bledsoe. That cuts off the $9.6 million Henson owed in 2019. Telly's deal only runs through next year.

I'm still not sure I like it and our board wouldn't but it is a thought.

I would do it. Not crazy about the offer, but I think is a good one because of Brogdon.

Dellavedova is a decent player. We can always play him a few minutes here or there at PG or SG.

Brogdon would be our starting PG and he is a PERFECT fit next to Booker, and he can play some nimutes next to Ulis too.

Teletovic is a good pro who is an expiring next year.
He would not play at all with Bender, Chriss and Dudley here, but he is needed to match salaries.

I don't understand why any Suns fans are considering this. Brogdon is a pretty good player. How far behind is Mike James? Will Ulis be better? If we shaved Bled's salary for nothing, could we get a better PG in free agency? Could we draft a better one with our pick next year, or the year after that? Or with the Miami pick? Or with one of the three second rounders in the upcoming draft?

This is classic grass is always greener-ism. John Henson is useless and that contract belongs nowhere near our books. Not accepting him under any circumstances. Brogdon barely moves my needle (obviously) and certainly doesn't move it into accept an awful contract in addition territory - and that would probably be true for me even if we weren't sending Bledsoe out in the deal. Why are we the team having to make the accommodations here? Bled is by far the best player in this deal, now and later, and he's on a great contract.

Get real.

Brogdon is WAY BETTER than Mike James, it is not even funny.

I am a really big fan of Ulis, but he is just 21 and he is a backup PG for now.
We need a great defender and shooter at PG, and that is Brogdon.

He shares the ball, has size and is smart. He is a high character guy, ala Grant Hill, and we need big time that type of personalities on this team too.

Regarding Henson...he is not in that offer. The offer is Brogdon, Dellavedova and Teletovic for Bledsoe. I think is a fair one.

[Bogyo]

I would do it. Not crazy about the offer, but I think is a good one because of Brogdon.

Dellavedova is a decent player. We can always play him a few minutes here or there at PG or SG.

Brogdon would be our starting PG and he is a PERFECT fit next to Booker, and he can play some nimutes next to Ulis too.

Teletovic is a good pro who is an expiring next year.
He would not play at all with Bender, Chriss and Dudley here, but he is needed to match salaries.

I don't understand why any Suns fans are considering this. Brogdon is a pretty good player. How far behind is Mike James? Will Ulis be better? If we shaved Bled's salary for nothing, could we get a better PG in free agency? Could we draft a better one with our pick next year, or the year after that? Or with the Miami pick? Or with one of the three second rounders in the upcoming draft?

This is classic grass is always greener-ism. John Henson is useless and that contract belongs nowhere near our books. Not accepting him under any circumstances. Brogdon barely moves my needle (obviously) and certainly doesn't move it into accept an awful contract in addition territory - and that would probably be true for me even if we weren't sending Bledsoe out in the deal. Why are we the team having to make the accommodations here? Bled is by far the best player in this deal, now and later, and he's on a great contract.

Get real.

Brogdon is WAY BETTER than Mike James, it is not even funny.

I am a really big fan of Ulis, but he is just 21 and he is a backup PG for now.
We need a great defender and shooter at PG, and that is Brogdon.

He shares the ball, has size and is smart. He is a high character guy, ala Grant Hill, and we need big time that type of personalities on this team too.

Regarding Henson...he is not in that offer. The offer is Brogdon, Dellavedova and Teletovic for Bledsoe. I think is a fair one.

Yep. I could even argue that we could flip Telly or Delly for another 2nd rounder or an expiring come trade deadline and some playoff contender needs a strech 4 off the bench, or very solid bench PG with finals experience.

If not, we could even lose them by adding one or two of our gazillion 2nd round picks. Not a fan of the latter move, but it's not the end of the world either - I think one of the reasons why we amassed so many 2nd rounders is to have options on the trade market, and 2nd rounders are a good currency lately for these type of salary shredding moves, especially if you have a decent player to go, like Telly or Delly. I'm absoulutley positive that someone would bite around the deadline or before the draft when the hype is high.
And this is pretty much the worst-case scenario with this trade, while getting Brogdon (and 2 useful vets, as we only have the corpse of Duds and Tyson, god bless them).

[Bogyo]

^ Or we could just vary it a bit, so we don't have as much salary.
As we have Brogdon and Delladova (plus Teletovic) coming in, we could afford to lose Troy Daniels and his 3,5 mill contract.
Bucks could use a good 3D guy if they let 2 guards go.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I would do it. Not crazy about the offer, but I think is a good one because of Brogdon.

Dellavedova is a decent player. We can always play him a few minutes here or there at PG or SG.

Brogdon would be our starting PG and he is a PERFECT fit next to Booker, and he can play some nimutes next to Ulis too.

Teletovic is a good pro who is an expiring next year.
He would not play at all with Bender, Chriss and Dudley here, but he is needed to match salaries.

I don't understand why any Suns fans are considering this. Brogdon is a pretty good player. How far behind is Mike James? Will Ulis be better? If we shaved Bled's salary for nothing, could we get a better PG in free agency? Could we draft a better one with our pick next year, or the year after that? Or with the Miami pick? Or with one of the three second rounders in the upcoming draft?

This is classic grass is always greener-ism. John Henson is useless and that contract belongs nowhere near our books. Not accepting him under any circumstances. Brogdon barely moves my needle (obviously) and certainly doesn't move it into accept an awful contract in addition territory - and that would probably be true for me even if we weren't sending Bledsoe out in the deal. Why are we the team having to make the accommodations here? Bled is by far the best player in this deal, now and later, and he's on a great contract.

Get real.

Brogdon is WAY BETTER than Mike James, it is not even funny.

I am a really big fan of Ulis, but he is just 21 and he is a backup PG for now.
We need a great defender and shooter at PG, and that is Brogdon.

He shares the ball, has size and is smart. He is a high character guy, ala Grant Hill, and we need big time that type of personalities on this team too.

Regarding Henson...he is not in that offer. The offer is Brogdon, Dellavedova and Teletovic for Bledsoe. I think is a fair one.

Sorry for mixing up the useless player on a 3 year $12 mil/year deal and the useless player on a 3 year $10 mil/year deal.

It's just not worth it. Not even close. That's the last I'll speak on it so you guys have fun.

[gaspar]

Lionization of Malcolm Brogdon on this forum is getting ridiculous.

[pidi]

to be honest, it does not matter who comes for bledsoe. he wants to be in phx and wants to go with this impacted process.

what is much worse is how the suns treat their players and what we paint for a ridiculous picture for years. hopefully sarver and mc dodo wake up and present themselves finally like a franchise, which knows what it does



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[NavLDO]

Realistically, Nuggets pick top-7 protected plus expiring for Bled or Bled/Chandler for Thon/Tele/Monroe/1st. They should definitely be talking with Philly about Fultz but I still think he's untouchable given his fit with Simmons and what they gave up for him.

Bledsoe makes no sense for them anyway. It would be dumb to take the ball out of Simmon's hands and you want shooters with him. But yeah, they are not going to trade Fultz any time soon anyway.

I think Cleveland is out
to me, Denver and Bucks make the most sense
they have players they can move in Faried, Arthur, Teletovic plus a draft pick where contracts can match Bledsoe - plus , they can add a young player, Mudiay or DJ Wilson

also, if Ryan really wants Chandler - well that might mean no draft pick but you can add Monroe and Arthur and deals are cap workable

both teams are invested enough financially that Bled helps both. not sure how far both go, Bucks in the East go farther - but if you are the Nuggets and you have Plumlee and Millsap with big deals - you got to press it.

I'm not sure why the Bucks are so hesitant to trade Brogdon. He's only 3 years younger, and Bledsoe is better, and replaces him, and makes them better now, with a potential MVP candidate in the making. They need to take advantage of the Greek's play this year, and Bledsoe gives gives them a better chance to win than Brogdon.

If the Bucks are smart, they find a way to give up Brogdon, take Bledsoe, and be happy about it, which means either having us take on contracts they don;t want, which we can, or we make a big trade with a lot of pieces, or we bring in a 3rd team with a piece they think will make the difference with Bledsoe.

IMO, they will regret not jumping on this opportunity; Brogdon will not be leading them to a Championship bid, and while Bledsoe may not seem like he can either, not sure anyone can deny he gives them the better chance.

Bledsoe/Snell/Middleton/Greek/Thon? Chandler? Monroe?

Maybe that's what they need...a third team to offer up a Center...

[TeamTragic]

Lionization of Malcolm Brogdon on this forum is getting ridiculous.

Do you remember the last player we received from the Bucks?

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Bledsoe makes no sense for them anyway. It would be dumb to take the ball out of Simmon's hands and you want shooters with him. But yeah, they are not going to trade Fultz any time soon anyway.

I think Cleveland is out
to me, Denver and Bucks make the most sense
they have players they can move in Faried, Arthur, Teletovic plus a draft pick where contracts can match Bledsoe - plus , they can add a young player, Mudiay or DJ Wilson

also, if Ryan really wants Chandler - well that might mean no draft pick but you can add Monroe and Arthur and deals are cap workable

both teams are invested enough financially that Bled helps both. not sure how far both go, Bucks in the East go farther - but if you are the Nuggets and you have Plumlee and Millsap with big deals - you got to press it.

I'm not sure why the Bucks are so hesitant to trade Brogdon. He's only 3 years younger, and Bledsoe is better, and replaces him, and makes them better now, with a potential MVP candidate in the making. They need to take advantage of the Greek's play this year, and Bledsoe gives gives them a better chance to win than Brogdon.

If the Bucks are smart, they find a way to give up Brogdon, take Bledsoe, and be happy about it, which means either having us take on contracts they don;t want, which we can, or we make a big trade with a lot of pieces, or we bring in a 3rd team with a piece they think will make the difference with Bledsoe.

IMO, they will regret not jumping on this opportunity; Brogdon will not be leading them to a Championship bid, and while Bledsoe may not seem like he can either, not sure anyone can deny he gives them the better chance.

Bledsoe/Snell/Middleton/Greek/Thon? Chandler? Monroe?

Maybe that's what they need...a third team to offer up a Center...

I think the hesitation involves the combination of three problems:

1. Bledsoe's injury history. Middleton, Bledsoe and Parker are the three best players after Giannis - so his entire supporting cast will be injury prone.

2. Money. Brogdon's cheap for three years, and Bledsoe's going to want a huge raise in two years. Giannis is young and you have to play long-term. Limits the upside of a Bledsoe acquisition.

3. Shooting. Giannis needs shooting around him, and Brogdon's their best shooting guard.

Which is all to say that this isn't a slam dunk for Milwaukee. I get it. I just don't see why we'd be so excited about taking the other side of this deal.

[Bogyo]

Lionization of Malcolm Brogdon on this forum is getting ridiculous.

Do you remember the last player we received from the Bucks?

Ouch

As for the lionization - I think this is the most logical trade out there, and both teams have decent pieces to make a trade with Brogdon and Bledsoe being the centerpieces, while moving both franchises in their wanted direction.