Political Roundtable Part XV

[stilldropin20]

Interesting collaboration between traditional and charter schools in Houston, it is called United for College Success. The Charter Schools had been measuring which colleges actually graduated their students within 6 years. KIPP, one of the Charters in Houston has their college graduation rate up at 50% for minorities vs. 9% nationally. Why? They have figured out how to match students with colleges.

That is a pretty phenomenal success rate. So what did they do? They made it available to the public school districts. Maybe this will be a step forward and the NTA will stop their revenge campaigns against charter schools and start collaborating.

It would be wise for the DNC to jump on board - okay, I won't hold my breath.

excellent point. and interesting concept.

Might be a better idea to properly fund public schools to eliminate the huge discrepancy between funding in the inner city and the burbs. I applaud any school that can achieve academic success either a charter school or a public school but for every great result from a charter school there are numerous bad results.

it's way more complex than you imply. waaaaaaaaay more.

1. school district funding in the US is and has been driven by local real estate taxes.
2. So people have payed "big time" money to live in the best school districts.
3. If you take that school district advantage away from the people that payed for it you have deprived them of their wealth.
4. over 90% of american wealth is tied up into the real estate they own.
5. we are not talking about the 1% here. working class folks wealth is almost solely tied into their real estate (personal house).
6. the 1% has wealth way beyond their own personal real estate.
7. so you are in essence talking about stealing from the middle class (again) that worked their butts off to move into a good school district to give their kids a chance to not be part of the middle class anymore.
8. that just aint gonna fly. its not fair. it's not even logical. and these are indeed public schools im talking about.
9. and thats how it works in chicago, both inner cities and burbs. the highest real estate markets have the best schools.
10. the lowest real estate markets have the worst schools.
11. whats more is the lowest re markets also have the highest rates and the most children per parent and the most single parent families, are the most dense, and pay the least in income taxes too as they have the lowest incomes.
12. so in essence you are once again talking about just another avenue taking money out of the working-middle class and redistributing it to the poor. dont we already have enough avenue of wealth redistribution?
13. Now if you find a way to soley take money from the elite wealthy ruling class top .5% and fund poor school districts, then I'm all for it. but even then that money should go to everyone no tjust the poor. I have to ask. why are we continually talking about ways in which we end up taking money from people that tried to be a productive member of society and show up to work each day and make 60-120K per year, have less children, stay together as dual parent dual income families, and therefore more able to teach their children how to "learn" better before school even starts so the school district benefits more as a whole. why are we taking their money and their equity to educate children who's parents totally blew it? and let me state this again, my parents totally blew it!! they sucked. i didn't deserve a better school system because because your parents didn't suck. Now i was lucky in that my grandparents didn't suck and helped a bit and paid for a decent H.S for a year. but i still mostly went to below average schools.

look. if you suck in life, and you suck as a parent, your kids will not and should not have as good of a "shot" attempt in life as those parents that actually try to move the basket closer and give their children a better shot. I'm about to turn 46 years old and I still dont have children. and i dont need a public school system to help me anymore. because I wanted to wait until I could afford anything they might need. And they will now get the best I can possibly afford and more. and I will make then earn those things along the way. but wtf, should I pay for some dumbshxt (that I happen to grow up with on the southside) down the street from me that had children at 18, 19, 20, 21, 22 years old without a pot to piss in? why!!?? why would they have children and expect everyone else to pay to raise and that child???? and then on top of want equal school districts for their children? is the free housing not enough? is the free food stamps, the free check, free schools(dont pay real estate taxes either), the free medical and dentla benefits!! is that all not enough!!!!! should I give them the keys to my car too??? where do you guys come up with this crap?? when does it end???? at what point does one get off their azzes and educate yourselves, fight for gainful employment and pay your own damn billz!!!?? I'm from the streets. ben carson is from the streets. and many many many many people I know did what i did. did what ben carson did. fought for themselves. educated themselves. worked hard. sacrificed. played the long game. kept their eye on the prize. those are the only people that "get out" of the ghettos. Everyone else, that accept the hadnouts, still accepts those handhouts. Everyone I knew then and know now, HAS NOT CHANGED. Their is no magic $100 dollar bill that you can hand someone that will magically turn into wealth and knowledge and wisdom. You either take the personal time to educate yourself and you put in the personal sweat equity, and you stay the course OR YOU DONT.

so stop fooling yourselves into thinking you can help, you cant. and stop letting liberal political trolls fools you into thinking you can help. you cant. people help themselves or they dont. and what motivates people more than handhouts is desperation.
I never felt for one single second that someone would be there for me to pay my bills for me. i never wanted them to. thats the mind set i had. thats what kept me on the grind. there are some foolz on here that think I'm not a dentist, nor a realtor, nor a former collage athlete, nor couldn't treat thousands upon thousands of patients per year. what they dont understand is that I actually am from the toughest and meanest and poorest streets in chicago. I'm come from a world of complete desperation. and I got myself out from under it. so much so that I will out maneuver you in real estate transaction and flip a switch and eat your lunch on the job site. I'll chew through cast iron if I have to. thats my personal mindset. and anybody that has come from a place that i come from will tell you the exact same. and mean it. and can do it. its tough as shxt to get out from under true poverty. tough as shxt!!! true poverty. true desperation. no where to go. no one to turn to. dont even no where you are going or how far you have to go. but you just keep going until you get some traction. no entitlement will give anyone that kind of juice. people who accept handouts will just about always accept handouts. I accepted no personal handouts in my entire life. never filed for Unemployment, food stamps, section 8, nothing accept financial aid which i have paid back plus interest. never. . and because i never accepted those things besides financial aid I just dont believe that any of them help. You cant have a healthy and productive society with generation after generation growing up then growing old on entitlements. it doesn't work. it just doesn't work. kids like me that "get out" do so because we despise the system. we thrive to be free of the traps of entitlements. your entitlements didn't/dont help us. believe that. ask ben carson, he'll tell you the same. ask any kid that truly escaped. he/she will tell you the same. if you dont understand this concept, let's just say you never will and leave it to experts like me and Ben Carson who actually made the journey.



Furthermore, (with another hat i wear) as a mom and pop real estate broker I can tell you that people essentially buy homes based on school districts. school district drive the markets.

keep in mind that here in chicagoland the local school districts usually receive 90% or more of the local real estate taxes collected. sometimes up to 100% now if the school district is fully funded and their is money left over it will go to other things in the district.

due to many socio-economic factors the best school districts have the highest property values but also the lowest RE tax rates. I'll explain that if anyone wants to know.

[cammac]

excellent point. and interesting concept.

Might be a better idea to properly fund public schools to eliminate the huge discrepancy between funding in the inner city and the burbs. I applaud any school that can achieve academic success either a charter school or a public school but for every great result from a charter school there are numerous bad results.

it's way more complex than you imply. waaaaaaaaay more.

1. school district funding in the US is and has been driven by local real estate taxes.
2. So people have payed "big time" money to live in the best school districts.
3. If you take that school district advantage away from the people that payed for it you have deprived them of their wealth.
4. over 90% of american wealth is tied up into the real estate they own.
5. we are not talking about the 1% here. working class folks wealth is almost solely tied into their real estate (personal house).
6. the 1% has wealth way beyond their own personal real estate.
7. so you are in essence talking about stealing from the middle class (again) that worked their butts off to move into a good school district to give their kids a chance to not be part of the middle class anymore.
8. that just aint gonna fly. its not fair. it's not even logical. and these are indeed public schools im talking about.
9. and thats how it works in chicago, both inner cities and burbs. the highest real estate markets have the best schools.
10. the lowest real estate markets have the worst schools.
11. whats more is the lowest re markets also have the highest rates and the most children per parent and the most single parent families, are the most dense, and pay the least in income taxes too as they have the lowest incomes.
12. so in essence you are once again talking about just another avenue taking money out of the working-middle class and redistributing it to the poor. dont we already have enough avenue of wealth redistribution?
13. Now if you find a way to soley take money from the elite wealthy ruling class top .5% and fund poor school districts, then I'm all for it. but even then that money should go to everyone no tjust the poor. I have to ask. why are we continually talking about ways in which we end up taking money from people that tried to be a productive member of society and show up to work each day and make 60-120K per year, have less children, stay together as dual parent dual income families, and therefore more able to teach their children how to "learn" better before school even starts so the school district benefits more as a whole. why are we taking their money and their equity to educate children who's parents totally blew it? and let me state this again, my parents totally blew it!! they sucked. i didn't deserve a better school system because because your parents didn't suck. Now i was lucky in that my grandparents didn't suck and helped a bit and paid for a decent H.S for a year. but i still mostly went to below average schools.

look. if you suck in life, and you suck as a parent, your kids will not and should not have as good of a "shot" attempt in life as those parents that actually try to move the basket closer and give their children a better shot. I'm about to turn 46 years old and I still dont have children. and i dont need a public school system to help me anymore. because I wanted to wait until I could afford anything they might need. And they will now get the best I can possibly afford and more. and I will make then earn those things along the way. but wtf, should I pay for some dumbshxt (that I happen to grow up with on the southside) down the street from me that had children at 18, 19, 20, 21, 22 years old without a pot to piss in? why!!?? why would they have children and expect everyone else to pay to raise and that child???? and then on top of want equal school districts for their children? is the free housing not enough? is the free food stamps, the free check, free schools(dont pay real estate taxes either), the free medical and dentla benefits!! is that all not enough!!!!! should I give them the keys to my car too??? where do you guys come up with this crap?? when does it end???? at what point does one get off their azzes and educate yourselves, fight for gainful employment and pay your own damn billz!!!?? I'm from the streets. ben carson is from the streets. and many many many many people I know did what i did. did what ben carson did. fought for themselves. educated themselves. worked hard. sacrificed. played the long game. kept their eye on the prize. those are the only people that "get out" of the ghettos. Everyone else, that accept the hadnouts, still accepts those handhouts. Everyone I knew then and know now, HAS NOT CHANGED. Their is no magic $100 dollar bill that you can hand someone that will magically turn into wealth and knowledge and wisdom. You either take the personal time to educate yourself and you put in the personal sweat equity, and you stay the course OR YOU DONT.

so stop fooling yourselves into thinking you can help, you cant. and stop letting liberal political trolls fools you into thinking you can help. you cant. people help themselves or they dont. and what motivates people more than handhouts is desperation.
I never felt for one single second that someone would be there for me to pay my bills for me. i never wanted them to. thats the mind set i had. thats what kept me on the grind. there are some foolz on here that think I'm not a dentist, nor a realtor, nor a former collage athlete, nor couldn't treat thousands upon thousands of patients per year. what they dont understand is that I actually am from the toughest and meanest and poorest streets in chicago. I'm come from a world of complete desperation. and I got myself out from under it. so much so that I will out maneuver you in real estate transaction and flip a switch and eat your lunch on the job site. I'll chew through cast iron if I have to. thats my personal mindset. and anybody that has come from a place that i come from will tell you the exact same. and mean it. and can do it. its tough as shxt to get out from under true poverty. tough as shxt!!! true poverty. true desperation. no where to go. no one to turn to. dont even no where you are going or how far you have to go. but you just keep going until you get some traction. no entitlement will give anyone that kind of juice. people who accept handouts will just about always accept handouts. I accepted no personal handouts in my entire life. never filed for Unemployment, food stamps, section 8, nothing accept financial aid which i have paid back plus interest. never. . and because i never accepted those things besides financial aid I just dont believe that any of them help. You cant have a healthy and productive society with generation after generation growing up then growing old on entitlements. it doesn't work. it just doesn't work. kids like me that "get out" do so because we despise the system. we thrive to be free of the traps of entitlements. your entitlements didn't/dont help us. believe that. ask ben carson, he'll tell you the same. ask any kid that truly escaped. he/she will tell you the same. if you dont understand this concept, let's just say you never will and leave it to experts like me and Ben Carson who actually made the journey.



Furthermore, (with another hat i wear) as a mom and pop real estate broker I can tell you that people essentially buy homes based on school districts. school district drive the markets.

keep in mind that here in chicagoland the local school districts usually receive 90% or more of the local real estate taxes collected. sometimes up to 100% now if the school district is fully funded and their is money left over it will go to other things in the district.

due to many socio-economic factors the best school districts have the highest property values but also the lowest RE tax rates. I'll explain that if anyone wants to know.

I'm sorry every time you make a comment its me,me,me and it might be a typical American response but frankly it is only self serving and stupid.

Let me tell you how primary and secondary education works in Ontario. I live in a Town called Niagara on the Lake and it is part of the Niagara Region that includes 9 municipalities some are rural and some are urban. Each municipality has differing economic situations and Niagara on the Lake happens to be the most affluent community with the average property worth in the $800,000 and also has the highest % of seniors in the region. While each community votes for mayor and councilors their is also a regional government. They handle most of the important services for the region including education, policing, garbage collection and most services.

Each community is represented equally usually one mayor and one councilor with a head who is elected usually a mayor of one of the communities. Lets deal with education each community is treated equally and students are given a equal education no matter the social condition of the municipality. All the schools have prekindergarten to grade 12 and each area has similar quality schools, quality of teachers and same maximum class sizes. Our region has 3 different school boards public, Catholic and French and are all funded the same. While the municipalities bring in the bulk of the costs through property taxes both the Provincial & Federal government contribute. Should I be pissed off I live in the wealthiest municipality in the region with the least children per household? If I were SD20 yes I should be but I'm not! My daughter was brought up in the system and both my daughters and my stepdaughters children will be brought up in the system. The system also brings the educational level of the country up with Canada always in the top 5 in K to 12 education with only monolingual countries like South Korea, Japan, Finland doing a better job but without having to teach a significant proportion of students English or French as a 2nd language. I believe that the quality of the USA is in the mid 20s in the world!

Bravo for you SD20 put the $$$$ in your pocket but remember what JFK said " do not ask what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country".

[dckingsfan]

I said that GDP fluctuates but 2% to 2.5% is OK and in reality the best you can hope for as a average in a fully developed Western Democracy.

And there we disagree - so the rest of the argument is moot. You can have 3+ percent growth with:

1) a better educational system
2) a better immigration policy
3) a better tax policy to incent growth

Right now many major American multinationals are sitting on pots of money without investing that in new ventures.

Why is that cammac? Answer: Stupid tax policy. You somehow equate the Rs tax initiatives with what I think should happen - and you couldn't be farther off.

BTW, your Ds have created at least half the mess with their really poor tax policies.

[cammac]

I said that GDP fluctuates but 2% to 2.5% is OK and in reality the best you can hope for as a average in a fully developed Western Democracy.

And there we disagree - so the rest of the argument is moot. You can have 3+ percent growth with:

1) a better educational system
2) a better immigration policy
3) a better tax policy to incent growth

Right now many major American multinationals are sitting on pots of money without investing that in new ventures.

Why is that cammac? Answer: Stupid tax policy. You somehow equate the Rs tax initiatives with what I think should happen - and you couldn't be farther off.

BTW, your Ds have created at least half the mess with their really poor tax policies.

BTW I'm not a D they have major flaws but they are not in power. If I was a American and I am not I would be a Independent as I am in Canada. Unfortunately in a flawed 2 party system I would vote D unless I had a choice of Independent that had a chance at winning. I agree the current tax policies are crap and the new ones worse and everyone in the government on both sides of legislature come up with a real tax policy with enough votes to override a Trump veto.

[stilldropin20]

Might be a better idea to properly fund public schools to eliminate the huge discrepancy between funding in the inner city and the burbs. I applaud any school that can achieve academic success either a charter school or a public school but for every great result from a charter school there are numerous bad results.

it's way more complex than you imply. waaaaaaaaay more.

1. school district funding in the US is and has been driven by local real estate taxes.
2. So people have payed "big time" money to live in the best school districts.
3. If you take that school district advantage away from the people that payed for it you have deprived them of their wealth.
4. over 90% of american wealth is tied up into the real estate they own.
5. we are not talking about the 1% here. working class folks wealth is almost solely tied into their real estate (personal house).
6. the 1% has wealth way beyond their own personal real estate.
7. so you are in essence talking about stealing from the middle class (again) that worked their butts off to move into a good school district to give their kids a chance to not be part of the middle class anymore.
8. that just aint gonna fly. its not fair. it's not even logical. and these are indeed public schools im talking about.
9. and thats how it works in chicago, both inner cities and burbs. the highest real estate markets have the best schools.
10. the lowest real estate markets have the worst schools.
11. whats more is the lowest re markets also have the highest rates and the most children per parent and the most single parent families, are the most dense, and pay the least in income taxes too as they have the lowest incomes.
12. so in essence you are once again talking about just another avenue taking money out of the working-middle class and redistributing it to the poor. dont we already have enough avenue of wealth redistribution?
13. Now if you find a way to soley take money from the elite wealthy ruling class top .5% and fund poor school districts, then I'm all for it. but even then that money should go to everyone no tjust the poor. I have to ask. why are we continually talking about ways in which we end up taking money from people that tried to be a productive member of society and show up to work each day and make 60-120K per year, have less children, stay together as dual parent dual income families, and therefore more able to teach their children how to "learn" better before school even starts so the school district benefits more as a whole. why are we taking their money and their equity to educate children who's parents totally blew it? and let me state this again, my parents totally blew it!! they sucked. i didn't deserve a better school system because because your parents didn't suck. Now i was lucky in that my grandparents didn't suck and helped a bit and paid for a decent H.S for a year. but i still mostly went to below average schools.

look. if you suck in life, and you suck as a parent, your kids will not and should not have as good of a "shot" attempt in life as those parents that actually try to move the basket closer and give their children a better shot. I'm about to turn 46 years old and I still dont have children. and i dont need a public school system to help me anymore. because I wanted to wait until I could afford anything they might need. And they will now get the best I can possibly afford and more. and I will make then earn those things along the way. but wtf, should I pay for some dumbshxt (that I happen to grow up with on the southside) down the street from me that had children at 18, 19, 20, 21, 22 years old without a pot to piss in? why!!?? why would they have children and expect everyone else to pay to raise and that child???? and then on top of want equal school districts for their children? is the free housing not enough? is the free food stamps, the free check, free schools(dont pay real estate taxes either), the free medical and dentla benefits!! is that all not enough!!!!! should I give them the keys to my car too??? where do you guys come up with this crap?? when does it end???? at what point does one get off their azzes and educate yourselves, fight for gainful employment and pay your own damn billz!!!?? I'm from the streets. ben carson is from the streets. and many many many many people I know did what i did. did what ben carson did. fought for themselves. educated themselves. worked hard. sacrificed. played the long game. kept their eye on the prize. those are the only people that "get out" of the ghettos. Everyone else, that accept the hadnouts, still accepts those handhouts. Everyone I knew then and know now, HAS NOT CHANGED. Their is no magic $100 dollar bill that you can hand someone that will magically turn into wealth and knowledge and wisdom. You either take the personal time to educate yourself and you put in the personal sweat equity, and you stay the course OR YOU DONT.

so stop fooling yourselves into thinking you can help, you cant. and stop letting liberal political trolls fools you into thinking you can help. you cant. people help themselves or they dont. and what motivates people more than handhouts is desperation.
I never felt for one single second that someone would be there for me to pay my bills for me. i never wanted them to. thats the mind set i had. thats what kept me on the grind. there are some foolz on here that think I'm not a dentist, nor a realtor, nor a former collage athlete, nor couldn't treat thousands upon thousands of patients per year. what they dont understand is that I actually am from the toughest and meanest and poorest streets in chicago. I'm come from a world of complete desperation. and I got myself out from under it. so much so that I will out maneuver you in real estate transaction and flip a switch and eat your lunch on the job site. I'll chew through cast iron if I have to. thats my personal mindset. and anybody that has come from a place that i come from will tell you the exact same. and mean it. and can do it. its tough as shxt to get out from under true poverty. tough as shxt!!! true poverty. true desperation. no where to go. no one to turn to. dont even no where you are going or how far you have to go. but you just keep going until you get some traction. no entitlement will give anyone that kind of juice. people who accept handouts will just about always accept handouts. I accepted no personal handouts in my entire life. never filed for Unemployment, food stamps, section 8, nothing accept financial aid which i have paid back plus interest. never. . and because i never accepted those things besides financial aid I just dont believe that any of them help. You cant have a healthy and productive society with generation after generation growing up then growing old on entitlements. it doesn't work. it just doesn't work. kids like me that "get out" do so because we despise the system. we thrive to be free of the traps of entitlements. your entitlements didn't/dont help us. believe that. ask ben carson, he'll tell you the same. ask any kid that truly escaped. he/she will tell you the same. if you dont understand this concept, let's just say you never will and leave it to experts like me and Ben Carson who actually made the journey.



Furthermore, (with another hat i wear) as a mom and pop real estate broker I can tell you that people essentially buy homes based on school districts. school district drive the markets.

keep in mind that here in chicagoland the local school districts usually receive 90% or more of the local real estate taxes collected. sometimes up to 100% now if the school district is fully funded and their is money left over it will go to other things in the district.

due to many socio-economic factors the best school districts have the highest property values but also the lowest RE tax rates. I'll explain that if anyone wants to know.

I'm sorry every time you make a comment its me,me,me and it might be a typical American response but frankly it is only self serving and stupid.

Let me tell you how primary and secondary education works in Ontario. I live in a Town called Niagara on the Lake and it is part of the Niagara Region that includes 9 municipalities some are rural and some are urban. Each municipality has differing economic situations and Niagara on the Lake happens to be the most affluent community with the average property worth in the $800,000 and also has the highest % of seniors in the region. While each community votes for mayor and councilors their is also a regional government. They handle most of the important services for the region including education, policing, garbage collection and most services.

Each community is represented equally usually one mayor and one councilor with a head who is elected usually a mayor of one of the communities. Lets deal with education each community is treated equally and students are given a equal education no matter the social condition of the municipality. All the schools have prekindergarten to grade 12 and each area has similar quality schools, quality of teachers and same maximum class sizes. Our region has 3 different school boards public, Catholic and French and are all funded the same. While the municipalities bring in the bulk of the costs through property taxes both the Provincial & Federal government contribute. Should I be pissed off I live in the wealthiest municipality in the region with the least children per household? If I were SD20 yes I should be but I'm not! My daughter was brought up in the system and both my daughters and my stepdaughters children will be brought up in the system. The system also brings the educational level of the country up with Canada always in the top 5 in K to 12 education with only monolingual countries like South Korea, Japan, Finland doing a better job but without having to teach a significant proportion of students English or French as a 2nd language. I believe that the quality of the USA is in the mid 20s in the world!

Bravo for you SD20 put the $$$$ in your pocket but remember what JFK said " do not ask what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country".

yeah, im not sure i fully follow how re estate taxes, real estate values, and local education levels affect each other in canada based on your post. and we are not talking about canada, rather the USA.

and in this country, the current real estate values are nearly solely based on school districts. save a couple of elite areas like downtown NYC, Chicago, maybe boston, LA and most coastal cities. save that 1% of land, 99% of everyone else land values are based almost solely on school districts. Now in these school districts you will also generally find nicer housing. but thats a chicken and egg kind of thing. as of now, the good school districts have long been established and they only tend to get better and the bad one's only tend to get worse.

a body in motion tends to stay in motion and a body at rest tends to stay at rest. as in physics as in life. thats the way it goes.

the important aspect of this that you dont seem to understand is that hard working americans have paid big time money to be in better school districts. if you equalize school districts with federal funds AKA another tax on the working class or even worse and more likely, more effing borrowing/national debt, then you in essence have robbed from the middle class in 2 ways. you ask them to pay to equalize the school districts out of their pockets and then you also ask them to give up their equity in the land because the value is built into the school district being better.

ie. you are royally fxcking over the middle class. and let me state for the record. iaint part of the middle class. this doesn't affect me at all. in fact, more people will end up moving into what is currently poor school districts for value and I will make money as a realtor. I will market for it. and I will personally gain. but it aint fair. at all. and this kind of reckless policy is exactly the type of fire that has fuled the middle class' anger and why they are so fxcking pissed off.

90% of "american wealth" is directly tied to the value of their home. this is how 98% of american's "save."

[cammac]

it's way more complex than you imply. waaaaaaaaay more.

1. school district funding in the US is and has been driven by local real estate taxes.
2. So people have payed "big time" money to live in the best school districts.
3. If you take that school district advantage away from the people that payed for it you have deprived them of their wealth.
4. over 90% of american wealth is tied up into the real estate they own.
5. we are not talking about the 1% here. working class folks wealth is almost solely tied into their real estate (personal house).
6. the 1% has wealth way beyond their own personal real estate.
7. so you are in essence talking about stealing from the middle class (again) that worked their butts off to move into a good school district to give their kids a chance to not be part of the middle class anymore.
8. that just aint gonna fly. its not fair. it's not even logical. and these are indeed public schools im talking about.
9. and thats how it works in chicago, both inner cities and burbs. the highest real estate markets have the best schools.
10. the lowest real estate markets have the worst schools.
11. whats more is the lowest re markets also have the highest rates and the most children per parent and the most single parent families, are the most dense, and pay the least in income taxes too as they have the lowest incomes.
12. so in essence you are once again talking about just another avenue taking money out of the working-middle class and redistributing it to the poor. dont we already have enough avenue of wealth redistribution?
13. Now if you find a way to soley take money from the elite wealthy ruling class top .5% and fund poor school districts, then I'm all for it. but even then that money should go to everyone no tjust the poor. I have to ask. why are we continually talking about ways in which we end up taking money from people that tried to be a productive member of society and show up to work each day and make 60-120K per year, have less children, stay together as dual parent dual income families, and therefore more able to teach their children how to "learn" better before school even starts so the school district benefits more as a whole. why are we taking their money and their equity to educate children who's parents totally blew it? and let me state this again, my parents totally blew it!! they sucked. i didn't deserve a better school system because because your parents didn't suck. Now i was lucky in that my grandparents didn't suck and helped a bit and paid for a decent H.S for a year. but i still mostly went to below average schools.

look. if you suck in life, and you suck as a parent, your kids will not and should not have as good of a "shot" attempt in life as those parents that actually try to move the basket closer and give their children a better shot. I'm about to turn 46 years old and I still dont have children. and i dont need a public school system to help me anymore. because I wanted to wait until I could afford anything they might need. And they will now get the best I can possibly afford and more. and I will make then earn those things along the way. but wtf, should I pay for some dumbshxt (that I happen to grow up with on the southside) down the street from me that had children at 18, 19, 20, 21, 22 years old without a pot to piss in? why!!?? why would they have children and expect everyone else to pay to raise and that child???? and then on top of want equal school districts for their children? is the free housing not enough? is the free food stamps, the free check, free schools(dont pay real estate taxes either), the free medical and dentla benefits!! is that all not enough!!!!! should I give them the keys to my car too??? where do you guys come up with this crap?? when does it end???? at what point does one get off their azzes and educate yourselves, fight for gainful employment and pay your own damn billz!!!?? I'm from the streets. ben carson is from the streets. and many many many many people I know did what i did. did what ben carson did. fought for themselves. educated themselves. worked hard. sacrificed. played the long game. kept their eye on the prize. those are the only people that "get out" of the ghettos. Everyone else, that accept the hadnouts, still accepts those handhouts. Everyone I knew then and know now, HAS NOT CHANGED. Their is no magic $100 dollar bill that you can hand someone that will magically turn into wealth and knowledge and wisdom. You either take the personal time to educate yourself and you put in the personal sweat equity, and you stay the course OR YOU DONT.

so stop fooling yourselves into thinking you can help, you cant. and stop letting liberal political trolls fools you into thinking you can help. you cant. people help themselves or they dont. and what motivates people more than handhouts is desperation.
I never felt for one single second that someone would be there for me to pay my bills for me. i never wanted them to. thats the mind set i had. thats what kept me on the grind. there are some foolz on here that think I'm not a dentist, nor a realtor, nor a former collage athlete, nor couldn't treat thousands upon thousands of patients per year. what they dont understand is that I actually am from the toughest and meanest and poorest streets in chicago. I'm come from a world of complete desperation. and I got myself out from under it. so much so that I will out maneuver you in real estate transaction and flip a switch and eat your lunch on the job site. I'll chew through cast iron if I have to. thats my personal mindset. and anybody that has come from a place that i come from will tell you the exact same. and mean it. and can do it. its tough as shxt to get out from under true poverty. tough as shxt!!! true poverty. true desperation. no where to go. no one to turn to. dont even no where you are going or how far you have to go. but you just keep going until you get some traction. no entitlement will give anyone that kind of juice. people who accept handouts will just about always accept handouts. I accepted no personal handouts in my entire life. never filed for Unemployment, food stamps, section 8, nothing accept financial aid which i have paid back plus interest. never. . and because i never accepted those things besides financial aid I just dont believe that any of them help. You cant have a healthy and productive society with generation after generation growing up then growing old on entitlements. it doesn't work. it just doesn't work. kids like me that "get out" do so because we despise the system. we thrive to be free of the traps of entitlements. your entitlements didn't/dont help us. believe that. ask ben carson, he'll tell you the same. ask any kid that truly escaped. he/she will tell you the same. if you dont understand this concept, let's just say you never will and leave it to experts like me and Ben Carson who actually made the journey.



Furthermore, (with another hat i wear) as a mom and pop real estate broker I can tell you that people essentially buy homes based on school districts. school district drive the markets.

keep in mind that here in chicagoland the local school districts usually receive 90% or more of the local real estate taxes collected. sometimes up to 100% now if the school district is fully funded and their is money left over it will go to other things in the district.

due to many socio-economic factors the best school districts have the highest property values but also the lowest RE tax rates. I'll explain that if anyone wants to know.

I'm sorry every time you make a comment its me,me,me and it might be a typical American response but frankly it is only self serving and stupid.

Let me tell you how primary and secondary education works in Ontario. I live in a Town called Niagara on the Lake and it is part of the Niagara Region that includes 9 municipalities some are rural and some are urban. Each municipality has differing economic situations and Niagara on the Lake happens to be the most affluent community with the average property worth in the $800,000 and also has the highest % of seniors in the region. While each community votes for mayor and councilors their is also a regional government. They handle most of the important services for the region including education, policing, garbage collection and most services.

Each community is represented equally usually one mayor and one councilor with a head who is elected usually a mayor of one of the communities. Lets deal with education each community is treated equally and students are given a equal education no matter the social condition of the municipality. All the schools have prekindergarten to grade 12 and each area has similar quality schools, quality of teachers and same maximum class sizes. Our region has 3 different school boards public, Catholic and French and are all funded the same. While the municipalities bring in the bulk of the costs through property taxes both the Provincial & Federal government contribute. Should I be pissed off I live in the wealthiest municipality in the region with the least children per household? If I were SD20 yes I should be but I'm not! My daughter was brought up in the system and both my daughters and my stepdaughters children will be brought up in the system. The system also brings the educational level of the country up with Canada always in the top 5 in K to 12 education with only monolingual countries like South Korea, Japan, Finland doing a better job but without having to teach a significant proportion of students English or French as a 2nd language. I believe that the quality of the USA is in the mid 20s in the world!

Bravo for you SD20 put the $$$$ in your pocket but remember what JFK said " do not ask what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country".

yeah, im not sure i fully follow how re estate taxes, real estate values, and local education levels affect each other in canada based on your post. and we are not talking about canada, rather the USA.

and in this country, the current real estate values are nearly solely based on school districts. save a couple of elite areas like downtown NYC, Chicago, maybe boston, LA and most coastal cities. save that 1% of land, 99% of everyone else land values are based almost solely on school districts. Now in these school districts you will also generally find nicer housing. but thats a chicken and egg kind of thing. as of now, the good school districts have long been established and they only tend to get better and the bad one's only tend to get worse.

a body in motion tends to stay in motion and a body at rest tends to stay at rest. as in physics as in life. thats the way it goes.

the important aspect of this that you dont seem to understand is that hard working americans have paid big time money to be in better school districts. if you equalize school districts with federal funds AKA another tax on the working class or even worse and more likely, more effing borrowing/national debt, then you in essence have robbed from the middle class in 2 ways. you ask them to pay to equalize the school districts out of their pockets and then you also ask them to give up their equity in the land because the value is built into the school district being better.

ie. you are royally fxcking over the middle class. and let me state for the record. iaint part of the middle class. this doesn't affect me at all. in fact, more people will end up moving into what is currently poor school districts for value and I will make money as a realtor. I will market for it. and I will personally gain. but it aint fair. at all. and this kind of reckless policy is exactly the type of fire that has fuled the middle class' anger and why they are so fxcking pissed off.

90% of "american wealth" is directly tied to the value of their home. this is how 98% of american's "save."

Gee I didn't know that! It is exactly the same in Canada!
I'm in a different situation than most people in Canada through being lucky and smart.
It comes down to priorities of societies
"If you’re a proud member of America’s middle class, you may have been startled to learn last week that your after-tax income now makes you worse off than your Canadian neighbors to the north. They can now claim the title of the richest middle class on the planet."
https://www.theguardian.com/money/us-money-blog/2014/apr/27/america-canada-middle-class-college-healthcare-taxes

[popper]

Can we agree to restrain our posts to a couple of short paragraphs? There’s too much verbiage going on for us old guys.

[stilldropin20]

I'm sorry every time you make a comment its me,me,me and it might be a typical American response but frankly it is only self serving and stupid.

Let me tell you how primary and secondary education works in Ontario. I live in a Town called Niagara on the Lake and it is part of the Niagara Region that includes 9 municipalities some are rural and some are urban. Each municipality has differing economic situations and Niagara on the Lake happens to be the most affluent community with the average property worth in the $800,000 and also has the highest % of seniors in the region. While each community votes for mayor and councilors their is also a regional government. They handle most of the important services for the region including education, policing, garbage collection and most services.

Each community is represented equally usually one mayor and one councilor with a head who is elected usually a mayor of one of the communities. Lets deal with education each community is treated equally and students are given a equal education no matter the social condition of the municipality. All the schools have prekindergarten to grade 12 and each area has similar quality schools, quality of teachers and same maximum class sizes. Our region has 3 different school boards public, Catholic and French and are all funded the same. While the municipalities bring in the bulk of the costs through property taxes both the Provincial & Federal government contribute. Should I be pissed off I live in the wealthiest municipality in the region with the least children per household? If I were SD20 yes I should be but I'm not! My daughter was brought up in the system and both my daughters and my stepdaughters children will be brought up in the system. The system also brings the educational level of the country up with Canada always in the top 5 in K to 12 education with only monolingual countries like South Korea, Japan, Finland doing a better job but without having to teach a significant proportion of students English or French as a 2nd language. I believe that the quality of the USA is in the mid 20s in the world!

Bravo for you SD20 put the $$$$ in your pocket but remember what JFK said " do not ask what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country".

yeah, im not sure i fully follow how re estate taxes, real estate values, and local education levels affect each other in canada based on your post. and we are not talking about canada, rather the USA.

and in this country, the current real estate values are nearly solely based on school districts. save a couple of elite areas like downtown NYC, Chicago, maybe boston, LA and most coastal cities. save that 1% of land, 99% of everyone else land values are based almost solely on school districts. Now in these school districts you will also generally find nicer housing. but thats a chicken and egg kind of thing. as of now, the good school districts have long been established and they only tend to get better and the bad one's only tend to get worse.

a body in motion tends to stay in motion and a body at rest tends to stay at rest. as in physics as in life. thats the way it goes.

the important aspect of this that you dont seem to understand is that hard working americans have paid big time money to be in better school districts. if you equalize school districts with federal funds AKA another tax on the working class or even worse and more likely, more effing borrowing/national debt, then you in essence have robbed from the middle class in 2 ways. you ask them to pay to equalize the school districts out of their pockets and then you also ask them to give up their equity in the land because the value is built into the school district being better.

ie. you are royally fxcking over the middle class. and let me state for the record. iaint part of the middle class. this doesn't affect me at all. in fact, more people will end up moving into what is currently poor school districts for value and I will make money as a realtor. I will market for it. and I will personally gain. but it aint fair. at all. and this kind of reckless policy is exactly the type of fire that has fuled the middle class' anger and why they are so fxcking pissed off.

90% of "american wealth" is directly tied to the value of their home. this is how 98% of american's "save."

Gee I didn't know that! It is exactly the same in Canada!
I'm in a different situation than most people in Canada through being lucky and smart.
It comes down to priorities of societies
"If you’re a proud member of America’s middle class, you may have been startled to learn last week that your after-tax income now makes you worse off than your Canadian neighbors to the north. They can now claim the title of the richest middle class on the planet."
https://www.theguardian.com/money/us-money-blog/2014/apr/27/america-canada-middle-class-college-healthcare-taxes

only further making my point that the middle class isn't happy. they have been systematically stripped of their wealth. they're mad bro. and they are engaged. and they finally have a president willing to listen to them and uses rhetoric that has mobilized them. and here's what you should know.

1. Canada has lived under the umbrella protection of being our neighbor to the north for the last 100 years. Trump plans on making you pay for that protection. I hope future presidents and congress does as well. we'll see how civil and polite you are when more and more of your taxes have to pay heavily for your own military. and after for paying for such heavy taxes, we'll then see how much of what is left you want to send around to your neighbors to pay their food, medical, dental, and education.

2. Canada has also benefitted from Nafta and other trade and tax agreements with the US who consumes your natural recourses (as exports) and allows trucking lanes through the US where cheaper manufactured goods from mexico hit canada with little tax imposed from the US. as well as from the massive amount of consumption that americans generate creating significantly cheaper goods here in north america from china(asia) which has built in lower costs to canadians by proximity.

I'm wondering how well canada will fair without big brother USA to protect it, negotiate for it, and our massive economy and GDP and import to influence and therefore benefit it via trickle down proximity.

i mean ya got 35 million people in the entire country. we have 1 state alone with 40 million with 4 more people and about 20 million. we have about 10 times the population you have and we have density problems in some major cities due to loss of manufacting labor type jobs. So the entire country of canada has about the population of our average largest state in population but with equal amounts of land that also has a large amount of natural resources, more per capita than the US. Yet you dont have a world presence militarily so the world doesn't "call" on you to do the world's policing. nor are you in any position to defend yourselves from, say, russia, without our assistance. We do and we can and we also police the world. fight humanitarian wars. economic wars. natural resourse wars by proxy and when we do the "world's policing" we are not gangster about it. we should be. but we are not. as trump once said, "why not keep the oil?"

Now we obviously cant just walk in come country and keep their oil. trump understands that and so do I. well we could actually and trump knows that too but it opens up other cans of worms. because most of these countries doesn't even "own" their own oil. the rockefellors do(stadard), the queen of england does (BP), and some of their middle eastern agents (royal saudis) and international bankers via financing own most of this oil. and they control world politics via their wealth and influence. so instead, we need to be more nuanced in how we "keep the oil." and how we make the "world" to pay their "fair share" for the "world policing" we do with the baddest military on the planet. and we need to pre-negotiate these things on the way in and collect on them prior to engaging on world police problems.

and as a canadian you and your canadian brethren should just say thanks and get on board with our agenda whatever it may be. frankly right or wrong. you sleep safe at night from mother russia under the blanket of protection we provide. we could just let little bro, canada, fly on his own (completely) and see how well canada does. lets see where your middle class ends up in 20 years. where your health care system ends up. where your housing values end up. the canadian dollar. and when you get there, i'll come back and preach to you on how you should give up whatever wealth you have left and pay to educate your neighbors in poor neighborhoods. we'll see how that goes over. but the good news is that most canadians dont feel like you do. and are in fact very grateful for your little brother relationship with the USA and understand that we have problems your cozy little small town model of the USA just wont work in our massive economy, massive military, massive healthcare, massive entitlements, etc. it just wont work.

Look, The USA has a spending problem, no doubt. we need to curtail spending. and then we need to stop being so nice and so giving. we need to stop being so polite and so eager to help the rest of the world under the umbrella of our massive military complex that american tax dollars pay for and instead make the rest of the world pay us for the (sane) police force we provide. and do so in a way that it covers the costs of that massive military complex.

but doing things the canadian way just wont work here. we already got big bills. we dont need more.

instead we need:

1. to cut overall spending while maintaining our massive military advantage.
2. we need to reduce debt.
3. reduce entitlements.
4. reduce healthcare costs and therefore healthcare entitlements
5. reduce the costs of education and allow good families stuck in bad neighborhoods to have altenratives to public education with their own tax dollars
6. reduce spending on go nowhere non needle moving entitlements where generation after generations are growing up and then growing old on these programs. the needle is not moving. they dont work. children 19 years old and less are mostly un or underprepared to have children. yet poor people are encouraged to keep having children they cant afford because they get more and more entitlements. its pure craziness and its almost insane. and actually quite cruel. when unprepared immature children (like my parents were) have children they pass down zero wealth, zero, knowledge, and there kids are behind the 8 ball to start) waaaaaaaaaaaaayyyy behind.

7. so we need to stop spending on all of that crual and unusual craziness which will cut costs massively. we can then reduce taxes on the middle class, folks who get up and work every day and raise their kids well, pay their own bills, and put their kids in good schools and send them off to college. thats what we need to do. not spend more on go nowhere social programs where we encourage people to have children that can NOT afford children.

8. you get rid of that problem first and you wont have bad neighborhood with bad school district to start with. those kids wont even exist. so those overly needy of basic discipline and basic emotional development children in bad school districts wont exist.

9. its down right cruel to me that democrats push for these entitlements that encourage un(der) prepared teenagers and immature and under developed 20-somethings into parenthood where the rest of us pay for their children's basic needs. i mean we have a license to drive but a 14 year old can have a child??? 18 to vote? 21 years old to have a beer?? yet anyone can have a child!!? and get "paid" to have that child?? makes no sense to me.

10. and this is where i have major problems with the conservative platform. conservatives dont like entitlements either. but right is too entagled with the religious right so they cant support a hard position on birth control and a license system where you must demonstrate that you can provide mental, emotional, and financial ability to actually support and raise a child on your own. its just down right cruel that you can be an undeveloped child yourself, 14-21 years old, have a child tomorrow and start collecting $15-20,000 in annual benefits next month. thats insane to me. and it almost solely affect poor kids like me and from neighborhoods I grew up in because rich kids dont need that $15-20K in entitlements. even most middle class kids dont "need" it. but poor kids that come from neighborhoods like mine look at it as a lifeline. its a big part of single parent homes in poor neighborhoods. often leads to domestic abuse of sorts. child abuse, because these children just are not ready to have children, and massive amounts of pain and suffering. which is then numbed by drug use. these "mom's then get worked over by local drug dealers once they get hooked on drugs. its a vicious cycle. it's cruel and unusual, imo. yet dems want to increase entitlement systems like this because I can only guess that they want to keep people down and keep garnering their votes. Its sickening if you ask me.

11. spending more money on those already downtrodden school districts is not the solution, imo. instead we need to remove the problems that cause the bad school systems in the downtrodden neighborhood to begin with. maybe we should stop rewarding children and un(der)prepared "parents" from having children and instead spend money on young women who remain childless until they have a college degree? reward children for NOT having children? for now though? make parents on entitlement actually show up to work for their entitlements and they should so up to work at their local school districts, even if nothing more than a janitor, cook, or perhaps even disciplinarian to their own children if necessary so that kids that are there to learn can in fact learn.

[cammac]

SD20
I really don't want to respond to your silliness but let me educate you.
In WW2 it was Canada as well as the Commonwealth that saved UK being taken over by the Nazi's while the USA sat on its ass.
Canada supplied the food and munitions that helped the UK survive. Canada provided troops and airmen and trained troops from Australia, NZ and South Africa to help in the fight.
On D Day their were 5 beach heads 2 American, 2 British and 1 Canadian and by the the way the Canadian beachhead made the farthest advance on D Day.
Canada by the end of the war had the 3rd largest Navy in the world.
As a nation we have few enemies in fact carrying a Canadian flag on you backpack gives you respect in the majority of countries in the world.
I know from traveling to over 50 countries in the world what being a Canadian means.
I know when traveling in China you would meet a group of people they would ask my wife where is foreigner from she would say Canada they would all smile and be gracious.
Frankly you are the epitome of the "Ugly American that the World Loathes".
You would rather eat cake and let others starve you can't teach me a think nor anyone of your ilk. You are not a Republican, Independent or Democrat simply a ASS.OLE.

[cammac]

To the other posters I apologize for my outburst.
Think its time to leave the forum.
Been at treat mostly!

[stilldropin20]

To the other posters I apologize for my outburst.
Think its time to leave the forum.
Been at treat mostly!

bruh, it aint that serious. you are a solid contributor here and I especially enjoy your posts. learn from them in fact. No need to appologize to the board for calling me an azzhole. no need to appologize to me either. but i do take some slight offense to you not recognizing my true political affiliation

and hopefully for the last time:

Spoiler:

I'm an independent!!!!

[Wizardspride]

To the other posters I apologize for my outburst.
Think its time to leave the forum.
Been at treat mostly!

bruh, it aint that serious. you are a solid contributor here and I especially enjoy your posts. learn from them in fact. No need to appologize to the board for calling me an azzhole. no need to appologize to me either. but i do take some slight offense to you not recognizing my true political affiliation

and hopefully for the last time:

Spoiler:

I'm an independent!!!!

Just a random observation: The reason people doubt your independence are your own words. I post on a few other boards with far right posters and to be honest, except for an issue here and there, your words sound like typical GOP talking points.


For instance, the way you use the term "far left".

You clearly don't care for the far left and yet you supported Sanders. What American politician is currently more "far left" than Sanders?

Also, a few pages ago you criticized myself and other posters for alienating those on the right with our Trump bashing.

Now that was odd.

Why would any liberal care about that in regards to Trump?

Heck, I wouldn't expect a Republican to consider my feelings when criticizing President Obama.

Really wouldn't expect an independent to care much either.

Now I WOULD expect a fellow republican/conservative to possibly feel that way.

Just something for you to ponder.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

To the other posters I apologize for my outburst.
Think its time to leave the forum.
Been at treat mostly!

No harm, no foul.

Don’t leave Cammac.

Stay. Express yourself.

And get ready for the super fun, good natured Wiz Raptor fan throw down that boils up whenever our two teams meet.

[closg00]

I love the smell of indictments in the morning.

[Zonkerbl]

LOCK THEM ALL UP

[popper]

Looks like Manafort and his partner will spend a long time in prison. Very serious stuff.

[Zonkerbl]

All you lying mfers are getting what's coming to you. Just wait.

[dckingsfan]

I said that GDP fluctuates but 2% to 2.5% is OK and in reality the best you can hope for as a average in a fully developed Western Democracy.

And there we disagree - so the rest of the argument is moot. You can have 3+ percent growth with:

1) a better educational system
2) a better immigration policy
3) a better tax policy to incent growth

Right now many major American multinationals are sitting on pots of money without investing that in new ventures.

Why is that cammac? Answer: Stupid tax policy. You somehow equate the Rs tax initiatives with what I think should happen - and you couldn't be farther off.

BTW, your Ds have created at least half the mess with their really poor tax policies.

BTW I'm not a D they have major flaws but they are not in power. If I was a American and I am not I would be a Independent as I am in Canada. Unfortunately in a flawed 2 party system I would vote D unless I had a choice of Independent that had a chance at winning. I agree the current tax policies are crap and the new ones worse and everyone in the government on both sides of legislature come up with a real tax policy with enough votes to override a Trump veto.

That is where I am at as well.

I am not sure what will happen with the new tax policy - I am hoping for some sanity, especially not taxing corporate income earned overseas. That just leaves the money parked there. We will see...

[TGW]

I love the smell of indictments in the morning.

They should indict the Podesta group while their at it.

Both sides were a part of the conspiracies.

[closg00]

I love the smell of indictments in the morning.

They should indict the Podesta group while their at it.

Both sides were a part of the conspiracies.

Too-early for false equivalencies, lets roll with the current indictments for now.


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