Markelle Fultz Discussion II

[Negrodamus]

The specialists have reached the same conclusion our medical staff has, so why are we still killing them?

No structural damage, just soreness.

Because they cleared him to play when he clearly wasn't healthy.

This is not their first blown medical diagnosis. They have a decade long history of God awful medical care of players.

It's technically not dangerous for him to play if there's no structural damage. If it's muscle soreness, then playing through it is an option.

[Kobblehead]

Fultz and his agent have been angling for an injury diagnosis. That's why they publicly shamed the organization into yanking him from the line-up and granting him leave to see a specialist.

Well, now the specialists have come to the same conclusions our medical staff originally did. No diagnosable injury or structural damage.

[JojoSlimbiid]

lol so it went from he has no injury at all it's all in his head to eh "no structural damage".

[Kobblehead]

Now that it's been confirmed by several medical opinions to not be any structural damage, will Fultz feel comfortable enough to start shooting again?

I assume the reason he wasn't shooting before was because he didn't trust the medical staff's opinion on his ailment.

[LongLiveHinkie]

Whether a guy can play through something depends on their pain tolerance. It's not an issue of what the injury is, it's how it affects your game. It's affecting him and that's all that matters.

[Negrodamus]

Whether a guy can play through something depends on their pain tolerance. It's not an issue of what the injury is, it's how it affects your game. It's affecting him and that's all that matters.

Okay, but I'm sure he was presented with the option of not playing if his injury was bothering him. So blaming the medical staff for this one is a bit ridiculous.

[LloydFree]

Fultz and his agent have been angling for an injury diagnosis. That's why they publicly shamed the organization into yanking him from the line-up and granting him leave to see a specialist.

Well, now the specialists have come to the same conclusions our medical staff originally did. No diagnosable injury or structural damage.

What I don't get is why the agent and Fultz want to get it out there that he's hurt. He already signed his contract and got the shoe money. They don't get any obvious benefit from claiming injury.

[Kobblehead]

What I don't get is why the agent and Fultz want to get it out there that he's hurt. He already signed his contract and got the shoe money. They don't get any obvious benefit from claiming injury.

I think they were convinced that he was legitimately injured and were scared to death of longterm damage. I'm sure they were well aware of our medical staff's trackrecord and simply didn't trust them.

Now that the specialists have validated our medical staff and confirmed no structural damage, Fultz should be mentally freed up to start shooting again.

[Mik317]

not sure why people are making this out to be this deep conspiracy. structural damage or not, its obviously hurt enough to effect his game so his ass should sit until its not. All of these armchair doctors with their prognosis' are pointless. One persons pain is never going to be equal to anothers regardless if it is the exact same prognosis. It doesn't work that way.

I know some are jumping at the bit to trash Fultz, Colangelo, or whoever but come on.

[LongLiveHinkie]

Whether a guy can play through something depends on their pain tolerance. It's not an issue of what the injury is, it's how it affects your game. It's affecting him and that's all that matters.

Okay, but I'm sure he was presented with the option of not playing if his injury was bothering him. So blaming the medical staff for this one is a bit ridiculous.

This never had anything to do with the medical staff, but he shouldn't be playing if he was hurting. Regardless of who made the call on that.

[Kobblehead]

There's a difference between:

"Oww, this is excruciating pain, I can't raise my arms to shoot"

and

"Hey, that doesn't feel right, I think there might be something wrong. Am I doing serious longterm damage, here?"

My inclination is that the former was never the case.

[Kobblehead]

I really hope we don't plan on sitting him for three weeks. We're missing his defense and shot creating ability. Our 2nd unit is too set shooter heavy.

[eyeatoma]

I really hope we don't plan on sitting him for three weeks. We're missing his defense and shot creating ability. Our 2nd unit is too set shooter heavy.

You'd rather have him come back early, and still be using that horror of a shot? I say rest as long as you need so you're back to UW Fultz...

[Negrodamus]

Whether a guy can play through something depends on their pain tolerance. It's not an issue of what the injury is, it's how it affects your game. It's affecting him and that's all that matters.

Okay, but I'm sure he was presented with the option of not playing if his injury was bothering him. So blaming the medical staff for this one is a bit ridiculous.

This never had anything to do with the medical staff, but he shouldn't be playing if he was hurting. Regardless of who made the call on that.

The medical staff decides if he CAN play. Yes, he's physically able to go out there without fear of further injuring his preexisting situation. The people that decide on him playing are Brown and Fultz. Fultz will likely never say no to playing because he's a competitor. Brown will green light that because he needs someone of Fultz's ability.

His agent sees the optics of Fultz shooting extremely weird and puts it out there that everyone other than Fultz is botching this situation, which brings us to where we are today: No Fultz.

"Indefinitely" tells me that they are going to work with him until he's shooting normally again. If it's longer than a month, then this whole thing, in my opinion, was because he changed his shot. That's fine with me only if he returns to form. If he has, for whatever reason, permanently screwed his jumper, I'll be pissed.

[LongLiveHinkie]

There is no such thing as a "permanently screwed up jumper" you either have a knack for shooting or you don't. He does, so he's fine once he's comfortable and pain=free.

[Aussiepiston1]

I had a client of mine have the same issue at the gym and it would only hurt when he made certain movements with that shoulder so I had him visit the physio and he was allowed to train still but only light weight to rebuild the muscle that was under developed due to the imbalance. It took about 4 weeks of rehab before he could make those movements without pain, I hope this is the same case for Fultz.

[Skates]

It sounds like a time out to completely cool down what had likely become chronic inflammation followed by a decent length regimen of physical therapy for strength and muscle rebalance, which if not always predictable as to length, hence the indefinite three week term. When my shoulder acts up, as it is at the moment, that is pretty similar to what I need to do for it to be functional, obviously at a level below that of a professional athlete. No structural damage, at least if a significant sort for a non-baseball pitcher, but it hurts like hell and can alter how I use my arm pretty significantly. My wife hurt her shoulder and it was right under the knife since her rotator cuff was a full tear. Both injuries, both legitimate, completely different treatment protocols.

If he has the former, but it was affecting the way he used his arm in a game where your arm and shoulder use form are intricate parts of the sport, you sit the kid down, not let him try to be a 19 year old tough guy trying to prove he is willing to play hurt. Not necessarily a medical doctor call, but definitely a training/coaching staff determination, and every time he talks about this Colangelo sounds like he is using half denials to justify his actions that are based more in trying to be the anti-Hinkie than anything else.

[rzzzzz]

There is no such thing as a "permanently screwed up jumper" you either have a knack for shooting or you don't. He does, so he's fine once he's comfortable and pain=free.

it would be interesting to know how he hurt his shoulder, but i guess not mandatory. but it's pretty obvious. his shot is like the old Henny Youngman joke about the guy who goes to see his doctor. "Doc it hurts when I do that." "Don't do that!"

[Gsraider]

I once had tendonitis in my elbow during college, which made it extremely painful to throw a football. Generally speaking, I could do everything else just fine and did not go around wincing or showing any obvious discomfort. In fact, I could play WR and defend without an issue, showing absolutely no problem with my range of motion. Yet, if I tried to sling the football, the pain was really bad and I couldn't really throwing anything other than short or medium passes, and those hurt quite a bit too. After resting for a couple of weeks with ice/heat, the pain went away and never came back. In the end, I'm pretty sure it was essentially inflammation, but no real structural damage, although I'm no doctor. The moral of this story? Whether you like or don't like the trade or the player, he clearly was hindered in some way and playing nothing like the guy we saw just a few months ago. I think it was due to injury, even if it wasn't "structural." If he comes back in a week or three at least playing like the guy we saw in July, I'm good with that. If that guy fails, so be it. The current version however, was almost like he was abducted.

[Simmons25]

There is no such thing as a "permanently screwed up jumper" you either have a knack for shooting or you don't. He does, so he's fine once he's comfortable and pain=free.

it would be interesting to know how he hurt his shoulder, but i guess not mandatory. but it's pretty obvious. his shot is like the old Henny Youngman joke about the guy who goes to see his doctor. "Doc it hurts when I do that." "Don't do that!"

Weightlifting basically. It's a very common "injury" in people who don't lift weights correctly or who build up more muscle in one shoulder than the other in things like swimming.



It's not THAT big a deal long term... but those saying it is just in his head or it doesn't really hurt... make me laugh/cringe.

Here read and learn if you have time. It affects athletes in "overrhead sports" (sound familar) and it's PAINFUL... not just in his head. If it's functional and not structural (like they say it is) then a conservative approach... like rest and strengthening exercises to restore muscle balance is what is needed not surgery. You hope it's about 3-4 weeks.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3105366/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17606671