Markelle Fultz Discussion II

Simmons25 · Post #861 » by **Simmons25** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 11:05 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Fultz and his agent have been angling for an injury diagnosis. That's why they publicly shamed the organization into yanking him from the line-up and granting him leave to see a specialist.

Well, now the specialists have come to the same conclusions our medical staff originally did. No diagnosable injury or structural damage.

I am not sure how you came to the conclusion that this is "no diagnosable injury" when they give you the name of the injury "Scapular muscle imbalance". It doesn't have to be structural damage to be an injury.... it can be functional which just means instead of surgery you use physio and other methods to fix it.

Ericb5 · Post #862 » by **Ericb5** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 11:32 pm

Kobblehead wrote:They cleared him to play because he's in playable condition.

There is zero structural damage to Fultz's shoulder. Having soreness or a muscle imbalance is not an injury. It's an ailment, at best. Something a player can work through with very basic rehab stretches.

And Muscle soreness isn’t a diagnosis anyway. It is a symptom.

I take this news as positive in the sense that he needs some rest for that shoulder, or at lest time for the treatment of it. I would rather wait until he is healthy than play him now with these limitations.

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Mauro Pedrosa · Post #863 » by **Mauro Pedrosa** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 11:36 pm

we need Bledsoe

LloydFree · Post #864 » by **LloydFree** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 11:42 pm

Mauro Pedrosa wrote:we need Bledsoe

We need a new GM.

Kobblehead · Post #865 » by **Kobblehead** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 11:44 pm

Mauro Pedrosa wrote:we need Bledsoe

Should have just kept Oladipo. Who's breaking out into a star in Indy.

eyeatoma · Post #866 » by **eyeatoma** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 11:44 pm

Mauro Pedrosa wrote:we need Bledsoe

Ughghg no...

Injury waiting to happen. Does not fit in well with Ben Simmons. Plus he hated on the Sixers last year, saying that an NCAA team could beat us.

Mauro Pedrosa · Post #867 » by **Mauro Pedrosa** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 11:50 pm

Lol I meant to post that in the Orlando Magic forum. Had both open. Sorry :lol:

MNSixerFan · Post #868 » by **MNSixerFan** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 11:51 pm

Mauro Pedrosa wrote:we need Bledsoe

This

KrazySixersD · Post #869 » by **KrazySixersD** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:04 am

Have u guys actually looked at fultz shoulders? They look massive.. like he has been exclusively working out just his shoulders in the gym

I def believe it to be an imbalance where one muscle is too big and tight and others are under developed because of it

its great news that there is no structural damage

get it fixed, make sure he's shooting normal, and then bring him back

But seriously go look at how big his shoulders look

Black Mage · Post #870 » by **Black Mage** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:12 am

Mik317 wrote:not sure why people are making this out to be this deep conspiracy. structural damage or not, its obviously hurt enough to effect his game so his ass should sit until its not. All of these armchair doctors with their prognosis' are pointless. One persons pain is never going to be equal to anothers regardless if it is the exact same prognosis. It doesn't work that way.

I know some are jumping at the bit to trash Fultz, Colangelo, or whoever but come on.

Sorry, but for an organization that has used kid gloves with our future stars its baffling that they cleared a kid who was so clearly hurt that his freaking shot mechanics had a Charles Barkley style hitch.

They have no problem telling Embiid he isn't playing even when he and BB felt he was good to go. So I am not buying this argument it was BB and Fultz' decision. Our docs had to clear him which is just another nail in their coffin for medical incompetence.

This reeks of the Bayless situation from last year.

Negrodamus · Post #871 » by **Negrodamus** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:21 am

MNSixerFan wrote:
Mauro Pedrosa wrote:we need Bledsoe

This

Suns 2-1 since Bledsoe was benched. They sure are missing him.

rzzzzz · Post #872 » by **rzzzzz** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:51 am

now out "indefinitely" for "scapular muscle imbalance". swimmer's shoulder (bursitis)? scapular winging? LL if i know, but normally the rehab are some fairly routine exercises. they say he'll be re-evalued in 3 weeks.

76ciology · Post #873 » by **76ciology** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:52 am

Simmons25 · Post #874 » by **Simmons25** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:47 am

76ciology wrote:

LOL I am sure it is just the angle of the photo but his right shoulder does look huge compared to the left... in that photo anyway.

LongLiveHinkie · Post #875 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 4:19 am

it's paywall'd:

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/nba/sd-sp-pfd-markelle-fultz-shoulder-explained-1029-story.html

Basically he says:

3 weeks doesn't seem enough to heal this problem. Will take some time to rehab and heal. Surgery not out of the question.

Don't be surprised if he wears a special shirt with straps to train the shoulder.

2/3rd of movement is from the glenohumeral (ball and socket) joint. 1/3rd is from the scapulo thoracic joint (shoulder blade against the chest wall).

The problem at the scapula can lead to a problem at the joint.

Sounds more serious than people here thought.

eyeatoma · Post #876 » by **eyeatoma** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 4:26 am

LongLiveHinkie wrote:If anyone wants to summarize this, it's paywall'd:

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/nba/sd-sp-pfd-markelle-fultz-shoulder-explained-1029-story.html

From the site you linked

It would be unusual if three weeks of physical therapy could solve Fultz’s problems. It is more likely the Sixers just want him headed in the right direction in three weeks.

Don't be surprised if Fultz is seen wearing a special shirt with straps to help stabilize and train the scapula, much like a special knee or ankle brace.

Shoulder joint motion is complex. Two-thirds of movement is from the glenohumeral (ball and socket) joint. The other third is from the scapulo-thoracic joint (shoulder blade against the chest wall).

The shoulder blade (scapula) is part of the same bone as the glenoid (socket).

A problem at the scapula (base) can lead to a problem at the joint.

If the scapular muscle imbalance is the issue, it takes longer to correct as his body and muscles need to be retrained.

At the end, he says that therapy can fix the problem, but surgery may be necessary if it doesn't fix it...

JojoSlimbiid · Post #877 » by **JojoSlimbiid** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 4:26 am

LongLiveHinkie wrote:it's paywall'd:

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/nba/sd-sp-pfd-markelle-fultz-shoulder-explained-1029-story.html

Basically he says:

3 weeks doesn't seem enough to heal this problem. Will take some time to rehab and heal. Surgery not out of the question.

Don't be surprised if he wears a special shirt with straps to train the shoulder.

2/3rd of movement is from the glenohumeral (ball and socket) joint. 1/3rd is from the scapulo thoracic joint (shoulder blade against the chest wall).

The problem at the scapula can lead to a problem at the joint. In true 76er fashion they'll wait to the last minute make sure to get every ticket sale they can

Sounds more serious than people here thought.

"It can be corrected with therapy, but surgery is not out of the question."

See you next year Kelle :wave:

mithrandir17 · Post #878 » by **mithrandir17** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 4:34 am

So the saga continues.

eyeatoma · Post #879 » by **eyeatoma** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 4:35 am

Yeah with this team, I could see it taking until All-Star break. Which is fine, but if that happens, you all know what the Sixers decision will be...

LongLiveHinkie · Post #880 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 4:36 am

"They just want him headed in the right direction in 3 weeks"

Sounds like this thing is gonna take months, which in Sixers terms means many many months