
Game 6: Denver Nuggets @ Atlanta Hawks 4:00pmMT
Moderator: THE J0KER
Game 6: Denver Nuggets @ Atlanta Hawks 4:00pmMT
-
- Cold Hard Gameday Facts
- Posts: 15,607
- And1: 8,991
- Joined: Jun 15, 2008
- Location: France
-
Re: Game 5: Denver Nuggets @ Atlanta Hawks 4:00pmMT
-
- Retired Mod
- Posts: 10,390
- And1: 4,124
- Joined: Oct 28, 2015
- Location: Cheyenne, WY
-
Re: Game 5: Denver Nuggets @ Atlanta Hawks 4:00pmMT
-
- Veteran
- Posts: 2,532
- And1: 1,548
- Joined: Aug 22, 2017
Re: Game 5: Denver Nuggets @ Atlanta Hawks 4:00pmMT
You always hear coaches talk about not overlooking their current opponent but I don't think this is what they meant.
These are the type of games the Nugs really need to win this year. Marginal opponent on a road trip. These types are really the difference makers between ~40-42 win teams and 46-48 win teams most of the time... It's road games against slightly worse teams and home games against slightly better teams that offer most of the opportunity to improve your record.

These are the type of games the Nugs really need to win this year. Marginal opponent on a road trip. These types are really the difference makers between ~40-42 win teams and 46-48 win teams most of the time... It's road games against slightly worse teams and home games against slightly better teams that offer most of the opportunity to improve your record.
Re: Game 5: Denver Nuggets @ Atlanta Hawks 4:00pmMT
-
- Lead Assistant
- Posts: 4,824
- And1: 4,110
- Joined: May 06, 2017
Re: Game 5: Denver Nuggets @ Atlanta Hawks 4:00pmMT
Why is Jokic playing only 9 minutes in the 1st half?
Re: Game 5: Denver Nuggets @ Atlanta Hawks 4:00pmMT
-
- Retired Mod
- Posts: 25,186
- And1: 11,359
- Joined: Mar 05, 2005
-
Re: Game 5: Denver Nuggets @ Atlanta Hawks 4:00pmMT
15-4 and 10-0 rubs from the Nets, anybody else notice who came in before they started?
Re: Game 5: Denver Nuggets @ Atlanta Hawks 4:00pmMT
-
- Retired Mod
- Posts: 10,390
- And1: 4,124
- Joined: Oct 28, 2015
- Location: Cheyenne, WY
-
Re: Game 5: Denver Nuggets @ Atlanta Hawks 4:00pmMT
Alatan wrote:Why is Jokic playing only 9 minutes in the 1st half?
Well, partially because of another stupid backcourt foul to stop a fastbreak - other than that; I have no idea. If I was Malone, I'd play him every minute his tongue wasn't dragging regardless of fouls and I'd put the ball in his hands on every possible play. But what do I know? I'm just a fan sitting at home.
Re: Game 5: Denver Nuggets @ Atlanta Hawks 4:00pmMT
-
- Lead Assistant
- Posts: 4,824
- And1: 4,110
- Joined: May 06, 2017
Re: Game 5: Denver Nuggets @ Atlanta Hawks 4:00pmMT
NuggetsWY wrote:Alatan wrote:Why is Jokic playing only 9 minutes in the 1st half?
Well, partially because of another stupid backcourt foul to stop a fastbreak - other than that; I have no idea. If I was Malone, I'd play him every minute his tongue wasn't dragging regardless of fouls and I'd put the ball in his hands on every possible play. But what do I know? I'm just a fan sitting at home.
Thanks, I tuned in by the end of the 2nd quarter so was a little puzzled why was Jokic sitting on the bench while we were losing.
Anyway i hate the new offense... Dont know why did we change it but i hope we get back to it. That Murray curl around Jokic with an assist for an open layup brought back memories of the old glory. I guess its the lack of spacing with Chandler and Millsap being bad shooters from 3 and Murray struggling that kills our spacing for Jokic type offense.
I hate all the Isolation plays that we run now. When i see Plumlee post ups i want to cry and i've seen way too many of those. Millsap and Chandler post ups are also annoying but not as bad as Plumlees. I also hate Jokic being so hesitant to shoot open jumpers. Then there is Murray struggling with everything except D but he had a good game today so maybe it wont last too long. He also looks slower than last year witch is weird considering he was hurt last year.
Our offense i so ugly these days...
Re: Game 5: Denver Nuggets @ Atlanta Hawks 4:00pmMT
-
- Head Coach
- Posts: 6,376
- And1: 5,234
- Joined: Jan 21, 2017
Re: Game 5: Denver Nuggets @ Atlanta Hawks 4:00pmMT
I don't like substitution pattern for Jokic by Malone, after five minutes of the 1st and 3rd quarter he takes him out , he has some dumb idea to have either Milsap or Jokic on the court , so they can be playmakers on the court , I think he's killing Jokic's in game rhythm like that, I think its wrong tactic.
Re: Game 5: Denver Nuggets @ Atlanta Hawks 4:00pmMT
-
- Retired Mod
- Posts: 10,390
- And1: 4,124
- Joined: Oct 28, 2015
- Location: Cheyenne, WY
-
Re: Game 5: Denver Nuggets @ Atlanta Hawks 4:00pmMT
Weird game - Nuggets won but it wasn't a very impressive game anyway. Sure, some players had a great night and I enjoyed that. But the defense was not good.
Jokic - 16:28 minutes with 21 pts & 14 reb only 3 foul
Plumlee - 33 minutes and 10 pts & 7 reb and 5 fouls
seems strange to me
Millsap 41:48 - that can't continue
Chandler 37:42 - that can't continue
Jokic - 16:28 minutes with 21 pts & 14 reb only 3 foul
Plumlee - 33 minutes and 10 pts & 7 reb and 5 fouls
seems strange to me
Millsap 41:48 - that can't continue
Chandler 37:42 - that can't continue
Re: Game 5: Denver Nuggets @ Atlanta Hawks 4:00pmMT
-
- Veteran
- Posts: 2,532
- And1: 1,548
- Joined: Aug 22, 2017
Re: Game 5: Denver Nuggets @ Atlanta Hawks 4:00pmMT
Tragically i missed this game as I decided to watch hornets-magic instead. Looks like the starters played excellent and the bench stunk up the joint (again).
Great to see Jokic with a very Jokic statline of 21,14,and 5. And Murray finally coming alive.
11-20 from 3's is extremely encouraging. The Nets defense sucks hardcore but still looks like we might be ready to snap out of that funk a little bit on offense.
Great to see Jokic with a very Jokic statline of 21,14,and 5. And Murray finally coming alive.
11-20 from 3's is extremely encouraging. The Nets defense sucks hardcore but still looks like we might be ready to snap out of that funk a little bit on offense.
Re: Game 5: Denver Nuggets @ Atlanta Hawks 4:00pmMT
-
- Veteran
- Posts: 2,532
- And1: 1,548
- Joined: Aug 22, 2017
Re: Game 5: Denver Nuggets @ Atlanta Hawks 4:00pmMT
Mickey8 wrote:I don't like substitution pattern for Jokic by Malone, after five minutes of the 1st and 3rd quarter he takes him out , he has some dumb idea to have either Milsap or Jokic on the court , so they can be playmakers on the court , I think he's killing Jokic's in game rhythm like that, I think its wrong tactic.
Actually, I can see some of the benefit of breaking up Millsap and Jokic. Mill doesn't fit all that well with Jokic really. He's a good enough player that it's fine to have them on the court together, but I think the benefit of having one of them on the court for all 48 minutes outweighs any synergy between them being on the court at the same time.
I don't know about taking Jokic out that early, how early is he bringing him back in after that?
Re: Game 5: Denver Nuggets @ Atlanta Hawks 4:00pmMT
-
- Head Coach
- Posts: 6,376
- And1: 5,234
- Joined: Jan 21, 2017
Re: Game 5: Denver Nuggets @ Atlanta Hawks 4:00pmMT
Usually Jokic close out last two minutes of the quarter.
Re: Game 5: Denver Nuggets @ Atlanta Hawks 4:00pmMT
-
- Retired Mod
- Posts: 10,390
- And1: 4,124
- Joined: Oct 28, 2015
- Location: Cheyenne, WY
-
Re: Game 5: Denver Nuggets @ Atlanta Hawks 4:00pmMT
HoopsMalone wrote:Mickey8 wrote:I don't like substitution pattern for Jokic by Malone, after five minutes of the 1st and 3rd quarter he takes him out , he has some dumb idea to have either Milsap or Jokic on the court , so they can be playmakers on the court , I think he's killing Jokic's in game rhythm like that, I think its wrong tactic.
Actually, I can see some of the benefit of breaking up Millsap and Jokic. Mill doesn't fit all that well with Jokic really. He's a good enough player that it's fine to have them on the court together, but I think the benefit of having one of them on the court for all 48 minutes outweighs any synergy between them being on the court at the same time.
I don't know about taking Jokic out that early, how early is he bringing him back in after that?
Couldn't have broke them up much - Millsap played most of the game.
I suspect Jokic cracked a joke that Malone didn't like, or some other stupid reason.
Re: Game 5: Denver Nuggets @ Atlanta Hawks 4:00pmMT
-
- Nuggets Forum Mock Draft Champ
- Posts: 14,089
- And1: 5,449
- Joined: Jun 02, 2014
-
Re: Game 5: Denver Nuggets @ Atlanta Hawks 4:00pmMT
HoopsMalone wrote:Mill doesn't fit all that well with Jokic really.
You're the ONLY person I've every heard say that, either another troll or just shows you really don't know a lot

Texas Chuck wrote:I'd like to see Utah, and Denver lose
Exactly as I've been saying all along !!
Re: Game 5: Denver Nuggets @ Atlanta Hawks 4:00pmMT
-
- Veteran
- Posts: 2,532
- And1: 1,548
- Joined: Aug 22, 2017
Re: Game 5: Denver Nuggets @ Atlanta Hawks 4:00pmMT
skywalker33 wrote:HoopsMalone wrote:Mill doesn't fit all that well with Jokic really.
You're the ONLY person I've every heard say that, either another troll or just shows you really don't know a lot
Well offensively anyway. Jokic works well with floor spacers and cutters. Millsap is neither really.
Defensively, yes they are a pretty solid pairing. They are both strong, with sound awareness, and decent mobility.
Re: Game 5: Denver Nuggets @ Atlanta Hawks 4:00pmMT
-
- Nuggets Forum Mock Draft Champ
- Posts: 14,089
- And1: 5,449
- Joined: Jun 02, 2014
-
Re: Game 5: Denver Nuggets @ Atlanta Hawks 4:00pmMT
HoopsMalone wrote:skywalker33 wrote:HoopsMalone wrote:Mill doesn't fit all that well with Jokic really.
You're the ONLY person I've every heard say that, either another troll or just shows you really don't know a lot
Well offensively anyway. Jokic works well with floor spacers and cutters. Millsap is neither really.
Defensively, yes they are a pretty solid pairing. They are both strong, with sound awareness, and decent mobility.
Backpedaling as usual, perhaps you should think about those blanket tro, err,.....statements before you hit submit. Jokic and Milsap are finding their chemistry, they'll be fine together.
Texas Chuck wrote:I'd like to see Utah, and Denver lose
Exactly as I've been saying all along !!
Re: Game 5: Denver Nuggets @ Atlanta Hawks 4:00pmMT
-
- Veteran
- Posts: 2,532
- And1: 1,548
- Joined: Aug 22, 2017
Re: Game 5: Denver Nuggets @ Atlanta Hawks 4:00pmMT
skywalker33 wrote:HoopsMalone wrote:skywalker33 wrote:
You're the ONLY person I've every heard say that, either another troll or just shows you really don't know a lot
Well offensively anyway. Jokic works well with floor spacers and cutters. Millsap is neither really.
Defensively, yes they are a pretty solid pairing. They are both strong, with sound awareness, and decent mobility.
Backpedaling as usual, perhaps you should think about those blanket tro, err,.....statements before you hit submit. Jokic and Milsap are finding their chemistry, they'll be fine together.
No, the comment he made was about having one of them on the court at all times, as a playmaker. My comment was in response to his quote... I even quoted him in the response. I read and post a lot on here, I try to edit my posts and make them as clear as possible but sometimes I may lack a little congruency. I think it's pretty clear I was referencing his playmaker quote.
Defensively, I've mentioned many, many times on this board how the Nuggets have improved defensively. They are middle of the pack defensively. The problem is the offense has fallen off a cliff with the new roster.
Re: Game 5: Denver Nuggets @ Atlanta Hawks 4:00pmMT
-
- Pro Prospect
- Posts: 832
- And1: 481
- Joined: Jul 02, 2013
-
Re: Game 5: Denver Nuggets @ Atlanta Hawks 4:00pmMT
skywalker33 wrote:HoopsMalone wrote:Mill doesn't fit all that well with Jokic really.
You're the ONLY person I've every heard say that, either another troll or just shows you really don't know a lot
Then I'll be the second person you've heard it from. Jokic doesn't have trouble with entry passes when Wilson or Faried post up. Millsap himself doesn't look to cut as someone who "finishes" plays, but tries to initiate a lot through isos and post-ups. Which would be fine except Jokic's talent shines when he is the one creating and his complementary PF should be looking to work off-ball (Juancho, Chandler, Faried are all good here).
And small sample size be damned those visual cues show up in +/-
What I liked from today's Nets game is that Millsap is capable of working the same plays as Jokic and what they wanted from Nurkic and I guess Plumlee. As long as Harris and Murray are getting consistent cuts to the rim through the handoff/screen, this team's offense will be fine. But through 6 games I've seen more spinmoves and short fadeaways from Millsap than I wished... sometimes they go in and it looks cool though.
Something I like seeing from the Millsap Jokic lineup is the 4-5 pick and roll; there's still a lot to look forward to and I'm sure they'll figure it out, but to me it's more important that 1 stays on the court at all times than that the 2 are exceptionally amazing together... Now how Malone is going about this is another story.
and unrelated, Plumlee should never be on the court. He has the same problems Millsap has next to Jokic except he has less than no talent for creating offense. His defender sags off of him at the perimeter so he can't make the same passes Millsap or obviously Jokic does on cutters, nevermind that somehow a guy with bowlingball shoulders doesn't seem to have the arm strength to complete an accurate pass in half-court. When he realizes his defender sags off of him, he either lowers his head to barrel in for an awkward layup or he backs his man down to throw that dreadful hookshot of his. I saw Mozgov tonight and we can see that across the league Centers are adding wrinkles like a corner 3 into their game, meanwhile Plumlee still can't figure out how to hit half his free throws. None of the players seem to respect him when he tries to direct action either. If all else he should be just a guy who catches defends, rebounds, and catch lobs, but I do not think he can do any of those 3. Was this guy really in a dunk contest?

Re: Game 5: Denver Nuggets @ Atlanta Hawks 4:00pmMT
-
- Veteran
- Posts: 2,532
- And1: 1,548
- Joined: Aug 22, 2017
Re: Game 5: Denver Nuggets @ Atlanta Hawks 4:00pmMT
U hova wrote:skywalker33 wrote:HoopsMalone wrote:Mill doesn't fit all that well with Jokic really.
You're the ONLY person I've every heard say that, either another troll or just shows you really don't know a lot
Then I'll be the second person you've heard it from. Jokic doesn't have trouble with entry passes when Wilson or Faried post up. Millsap himself doesn't look to cut as someone who "finishes" plays, but tries to initiate a lot through isos and post-ups. Which would be fine except Jokic's talent shines when he is the one creating and his complementary PF should be looking to work off-ball (Juancho, Chandler, Faried are all good here).
And small sample size be damned those visual cues show up in +/-
What I liked from today's Nets game is that Millsap is capable of working the same plays as Jokic and what they wanted from Nurkic and I guess Plumlee. As long as Harris and Murray are getting consistent cuts to the rim through the handoff/screen, this team's offense will be fine. But through 6 games I've seen more spinmoves and short fadeaways from Millsap than I wished... sometimes they go in and it looks cool though.
Something I like seeing from the Millsap Jokic lineup is the 4-5 pick and roll; there's still a lot to look forward to and I'm sure they'll figure it out, but to me it's more important that 1 stays on the court at all times than that the 2 are exceptionally amazing together... Now how Malone is going about this is another story.
and unrelated, Plumlee should never be on the court. He has the same problems Millsap has next to Jokic except he has less than no talent for creating offense. His defender sags off of him at the perimeter so he can't make the same passes Millsap or obviously Jokic does on cutters, nevermind that somehow a guy with bowlingball shoulders doesn't seem to have the arm strength to complete an accurate pass in half-court. When he realizes his defender sags off of him, he either lowers his head to barrel in for an awkward layup or he backs his man down to throw that dreadful hookshot of his. I saw Mozgov tonight and we can see that across the league Centers are adding wrinkles like a corner 3 into their game, meanwhile Plumlee still can't figure out how to hit half his free throws. None of the players seem to respect him when he tries to direct action either. If all else he should be just a guy who catches defends, rebounds, and catch lobs, but I do not think he can do any of those 3. Was this guy really in a dunk contest?
It's pretty apparent the team had a poor offseason. If they could have somehow nudged the defense up to middle of the pack and not skipped much of a beat on offense they'd be a very dangerous team. The Plumlee trade and subsequent awful extension has put us in a rough spot as far as improving the roster. But not an impossible one. Denver still has enough young pieces and soon to be expiring deals on marginally productive players to perhaps figure out something.
Letting Gallo walk has sank the offense (although he's been horrible in his own right in LA), the murray PG experiment is off to a rough start, and the lydon/lyles moves have done nothing to enhance the roster.
I feel like this will be a pivotal week to see if it's just a "slow start" or representative of larger problems.
Re: Game 5: Denver Nuggets @ Atlanta Hawks 4:00pmMT
-
- Lead Assistant
- Posts: 4,824
- And1: 4,110
- Joined: May 06, 2017
Re: Game 5: Denver Nuggets @ Atlanta Hawks 4:00pmMT
I thought that Millsap would fit with Jokic because he worked so well with Horford in Atlanta and Jokic can do everything Horford can. Maybe Malone can take a look at what the Hawks were doing a couple of seasons ago and try to replicate. Jokic-Horford, Millsap, Harris-Korver, Murrray-Teague and Chandler/Juancho-Crowder.
I completely agree that there is a problem in the Jokic Millsap duo where they both look to make the pass to a finisher rather than finish themselves. They also both like to make plays inside the arc. Maybe they can be better together if Jokic develops a consistent, reliable three pointer so he can make plays from the three while Millsap makes plays from the low post. Considering neither of them are that great finishers at the rim that job will have to fall on to the cutters.
I have also noticed that everyone hesitates to much to attack or pass witch gives defenders time to adjust. We need to make decisions faster, that is the point of the motion offense. The ball travels faster than any defender and if you can attack of the catch, shoot or pass to a cutter you force a rotation. Then D starts crumbling witch accumulates with the next pass and so on until we get a clean look. Murray also needs to tighten up his handles and attack with a plan and confidence.
There are also some good thing that came with Millsap. IMO our defense improved by a decent margin. I dont know do the numbers support this claim but it seems to me that Jokic, Harris and Murray are giving a lot effort on that side of the floor with Millsap being good as well. I think that Juancho was better at D in the few preseason games too. I've seen Jokic hustle to cover shooter's a the 3 and dive for loose ball so that is very good. I also like our new PnR defense scheme.
There are some improvement since last season, mostly defensive ones but the offensive downgrade is hurting more. I dont think this offense system will get better, we need to return to the previous one with some adjustments. I'd like to see Jokic moved back to the 3 instead of the high post with Millsap on the low post/corner three. That with faster decision making could give us more spacing to operate. Trading Chandler for a better shooting wing would not be bad either since Junacho is out.
I completely agree that there is a problem in the Jokic Millsap duo where they both look to make the pass to a finisher rather than finish themselves. They also both like to make plays inside the arc. Maybe they can be better together if Jokic develops a consistent, reliable three pointer so he can make plays from the three while Millsap makes plays from the low post. Considering neither of them are that great finishers at the rim that job will have to fall on to the cutters.
I have also noticed that everyone hesitates to much to attack or pass witch gives defenders time to adjust. We need to make decisions faster, that is the point of the motion offense. The ball travels faster than any defender and if you can attack of the catch, shoot or pass to a cutter you force a rotation. Then D starts crumbling witch accumulates with the next pass and so on until we get a clean look. Murray also needs to tighten up his handles and attack with a plan and confidence.
There are also some good thing that came with Millsap. IMO our defense improved by a decent margin. I dont know do the numbers support this claim but it seems to me that Jokic, Harris and Murray are giving a lot effort on that side of the floor with Millsap being good as well. I think that Juancho was better at D in the few preseason games too. I've seen Jokic hustle to cover shooter's a the 3 and dive for loose ball so that is very good. I also like our new PnR defense scheme.
There are some improvement since last season, mostly defensive ones but the offensive downgrade is hurting more. I dont think this offense system will get better, we need to return to the previous one with some adjustments. I'd like to see Jokic moved back to the 3 instead of the high post with Millsap on the low post/corner three. That with faster decision making could give us more spacing to operate. Trading Chandler for a better shooting wing would not be bad either since Junacho is out.