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[ivysixer2000]

We would have. Porzingis would not have won us 8 more games to lose the top pick.

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

I'd rather have all 3 of those at the moment and try to get that big FA next summer or the one after that.

I'm still wondering what Cousins wants to do....

We should have all three on the team.

I figure by all 3 you mean Porzingis, Embiid, and Simmons while the all 3 I meant was Embiid, Simmons, and Fultz.

I do think Porzingis would've given us 8 more wins, but if you don't think he would, why would you want him in the first place as part of a big 3?

[Sixerscan]

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

I'd rather have all 3 of those at the moment and try to get that big FA next summer or the one after that.

I'm still wondering what Cousins wants to do....

We should have all three on the team.

I figure by all 3 you mean Porzingis, Embiid, and Simmons while the all 3 I meant was Embiid, Simmons, and Fultz.

I do think Porzingis would've given us 8 more wins, but if you don't think he would, why would you want him in the first place as part of a big 3?

There's like 20 players in the league every year that are worth 8 wins. Porzingis didn't even play his full rookie year and you know if it were at all close the Sixers would have tanked enough to eke out the spot.

Regardless this isn't just Simmons versus Porzingis it's Simmons and Okafor versus Porzingis and potentially Simmons but presumably at least someone that can actually be in an NBA rotation.

[Unbreakable99]

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

I'd rather have all 3 of those at the moment and try to get that big FA next summer or the one after that.

I'm still wondering what Cousins wants to do....

We should have all three on the team.

I figure by all 3 you mean Porzingis, Embiid, and Simmons while the all 3 I meant was Embiid, Simmons, and Fultz.

I do think Porzingis would've given us 8 more wins, but if you don't think he would, why would you want him in the first place as part of a big 3?

Because KP with Simmons would have been epic. KP can stretch the floor and create his own shot. We would be the longest team in the league with those 2 in the frontcourt and Simmons running point. KP is going to be much better than Fultz. We would have 3 unicorns on the same team. I guess I have to deal with just two. KP and Embiid would have meshed well imo.

[ivysixer2000]

We should have all three on the team.

I figure by all 3 you mean Porzingis, Embiid, and Simmons while the all 3 I meant was Embiid, Simmons, and Fultz.

I do think Porzingis would've given us 8 more wins, but if you don't think he would, why would you want him in the first place as part of a big 3?

There's like 20 players in the league every year that are worth 8 wins. Porzingis didn't even play his full rookie year and you know if it were at all close the Sixers would have tanked enough to eke out the spot.

Regardless this isn't just Simmons versus Porzingis it's Simmons and Okafor versus Porzingis and potentially Simmons but presumably at least someone that can actually be in an NBA rotation.

I agree we probably would've tanked, but obviously I do think alot about Prozingis to say he is worth 8 games (actually I think it was 7 games, not sure). Him and Embiid would've been sweet together, I just don't want risk Simmons at all. Fultz is a whole nother issue as we haven't seen him play healthy and won't for a while.

I'm greedy in all this, we would need a guard to guard the opposing guards. Fultz fits that bill. A lineup of Fultz (healthy), Roco, Simmons, KP, and Embiid would give teams nightmares....just saying. If KP doesn't sign that extension, at least its in play.

But going back to my original post, I still have interest in what Cousins does this next offseason.

[76ciology]

why u guys settling on KP?

The real deal is passing up Giannis for Noel in 2013. Giannis, Healthy Fultz, RoCo, Simmons and Embiid would rock the league.

KP-Simmons-Embiid? Nice on 2K but not so nice in real life. If you have Embiid, you need better wing/guard talent. U can't concentrate the talent with ur bigs.

U can't play that game because Hinkie was going for Wiggins in 2014. He'd likely draft Wiggins over Biid, I'd guess. Other candidates he have? I think exum.

2015 draft sucks. But most has Hezonja and Winslow running for the top 5 picks. Both wings are more useless than Jah.

We lucked out in 2016. All failures did aligned for Ben.

I'm still high on Fultz. The shoulder thing is temporary. I'd rather have Fultz than a guard with PERMANENT broken shot mechanic and a guard that is PERMANENT midget.

[76ciology]

Tatum playing well. Celtics got reason to show boat and be happy with the Fultz-Tatum deal.

[Unbreakable99]

why u guys settling on KP?

The real deal is passing up Giannis for Noel in 2013. Giannis, Healthy Fultz, RoCo, Simmons and Embiid would rock the league.

KP-Simmons-Embiid? Nice on 2K but not so nice in real life. If you have Embiid, you need better wing/guard talent. U can't concentrate the talent with ur bigs.

U can't play that game because Hinkie was going for Wiggins in 2014. He'd likely draft Wiggins over Biid, I'd guess. Other candidates he have? I think exum.

2015 draft sucks. But most has Hezonja and Winslow running for the top 5 picks. Both wings are more useless than Jah.

We lucked out in 2016. All failures did aligned for Ben.

I'm still high on Fultz. The shoulder thing is temporary. I'd rather have Fultz than a guard with PERMANENT broken shot mechanic and a guard that is PERMANENT midget.

Hinkie definitely wanted Embiid over Wiggins.

[Kobblehead]

@76ciology

We didn't need to choose Giannis over Noel. We had a 2nd crack at Giannis and took MCW instead.

@Unbreakable

I don't know about Hinkie preferring Embiid to Wiggins. We know Hinkie tried to have a secret dinner with Wiggins in Philly and the press caught wind of it and sent cameras and caught them coming out of a restaurant together. Hinkie was all-in on Wiggins, IMO.

[Kobblehead]

Noel was a great pick at the time and had a nice stint in Philadelphia.

The thing with him was that we drafted him at 205, crossing our fingers that he'd fill out to 240 and it never happened.

[Sixerscan]

why u guys settling on KP?

The real deal is passing up Giannis for Noel in 2013. Giannis, Healthy Fultz, RoCo, Simmons and Embiid would rock the league.

KP-Simmons-Embiid? Nice on 2K but not so nice in real life. If you have Embiid, you need better wing/guard talent. U can't concentrate the talent with ur bigs.

U can't play that game because Hinkie was going for Wiggins in 2014. He'd likely draft Wiggins over Biid, I'd guess. Other candidates he have? I think exum.

2015 draft sucks. But most has Hezonja and Winslow running for the top 5 picks. Both wings are more useless than Jah.

We lucked out in 2016. All failures did aligned for Ben.

I'm still high on Fultz. The shoulder thing is temporary. I'd rather have Fultz than a guard with PERMANENT broken shot mechanic and a guard that is PERMANENT midget.

Because Porzingis was generally considered an option at 3. Giannis was sort of a reach at 15 at the time. The bucks made a good pick.

This thing where you guys are acting like drafting Porzingis means we would sacrifice all future draft picks is dumb. Yes drafting someone who can't play NBA basketball when the guy taken immediately after is currently averaging 28 points per game is bad. I would gladly deal with that "concentration of talent."

[Kobblehead]

The Orlando trade situation in 2014 really didn't work out for us. Turning an asset deficit into a surplus was brilliant, but choosing Saric was a bad call by Hinkie.

Some people wanted LaVine.
Some people wanted Rodney Hood.
Some people wanted Gary Harris.
Some people wanted Jordan Adams.

Not many were calling for Dario Saric (except Gonzo).

Did Hinkie only draft Dario because he wasn't coming over and Sam wanted as least help as possible on the roster to continue to pile up losses? Or did he actually think a non-athlete with short arms and no jumper was the best player on the board?

[76ciology]

The Orlando trade situation in 2014 really didn't work out for us. Turning an asset deficit into a surplus was brilliant, but choosing Saric was a bad call by Hinkie.

Some people wanted LaVine.
Some people wanted Rodney Hood.
Some people wanted Gary Harris.
Some people wanted Jordan Adams.

Not many were calling for Dario Saric (except Gonzo).

Did Hinkie only draft Dario because he wasn't coming over and Sam wanted as least help as possible on the roster to continue to pile up losses? Or did he actually think a non-athlete with short arms and no jumper was the best player on the board?

Same story. BPA. Assets accumulation.

[Kobblehead]

I wish we could have seen Sam's bigboard in 2014. I have a hard time imagining he had Saric pegged in the lotto. I'm convinced he drafted him where he did because he wasn't coming straight to the NBA.

[Unbreakable99]

@76ciology

We didn't need to choose Giannis over Noel. We had a 2nd crack at Giannis and took MCW instead.

@Unbreakable

I don't know about Hinkie preferring Embiid to Wiggins. We know Hinkie tried to have a secret dinner with Wiggins in Philly and the press caught wind of it and sent cameras and caught them coming out of a restaurant together. Hinkie was all-in on Wiggins, IMO.

He did have that secret meeting with Wiggins. I still think he rated Embiid higher. I really think if we got the top pick we would have still drafted an injured Embiid. That's just what I believe.

[Negrodamus]

I'd still give this man a 30 day contract.

[ivysixer2000]

why u guys settling on KP?

The real deal is passing up Giannis for Noel in 2013. Giannis, Healthy Fultz, RoCo, Simmons and Embiid would rock the league.

KP-Simmons-Embiid? Nice on 2K but not so nice in real life. If you have Embiid, you need better wing/guard talent. U can't concentrate the talent with ur bigs.

U can't play that game because Hinkie was going for Wiggins in 2014. He'd likely draft Wiggins over Biid, I'd guess. Other candidates he have? I think exum.

2015 draft sucks. But most has Hezonja and Winslow running for the top 5 picks. Both wings are more useless than Jah.

We lucked out in 2016. All failures did aligned for Ben.

I'm still high on Fultz. The shoulder thing is temporary. I'd rather have Fultz than a guard with PERMANENT broken shot mechanic and a guard that is PERMANENT midget.

There is no reason to keep crying over spilled milk.

Noone knew what Giannis would become, and we would've been made fun of for making that pick that high. Heck, who knows what that would've done to Giannis mentally, might've hurt his development. Something that I hope we aren't doing at the moment with Fultz.

We do have alot of moving parts on this team, so it gives us alot more options on who we can max out in free agency. I just hope we don't do something stupid and get a guy thats not the right guy. At the moment, if available, I would probably take Cousins over Bron...yeah I said it. Rather dominate for a decade than get a 33 year old Bron.

Bottomline is everyone that we have mentioned are bigs, we still need a guard to start, at least one. Fultz still fits that bill, we just need some patience. Who else we pick up and max out to do so, who knows, but i do believe we can get one.

[Unbreakable99]

why u guys settling on KP?

The real deal is passing up Giannis for Noel in 2013. Giannis, Healthy Fultz, RoCo, Simmons and Embiid would rock the league.

KP-Simmons-Embiid? Nice on 2K but not so nice in real life. If you have Embiid, you need better wing/guard talent. U can't concentrate the talent with ur bigs.

U can't play that game because Hinkie was going for Wiggins in 2014. He'd likely draft Wiggins over Biid, I'd guess. Other candidates he have? I think exum.

2015 draft sucks. But most has Hezonja and Winslow running for the top 5 picks. Both wings are more useless than Jah.

We lucked out in 2016. All failures did aligned for Ben.

I'm still high on Fultz. The shoulder thing is temporary. I'd rather have Fultz than a guard with PERMANENT broken shot mechanic and a guard that is PERMANENT midget.

There is no reason to keep crying over spilled milk.

Noone knew what Giannis would become, and we would've been made fun of for making that pick that high. Heck, who knows what that would've done to Giannis mentally, might've hurt his development. Something that I hope we aren't doing at the moment with Fultz.

We do have alot of moving parts on this team, so it gives us alot more options on who we can max out in free agency. I just hope we don't do something stupid and get a guy thats not the right guy. At the moment, if available, I would probably take Cousins over Bron...yeah I said it. Rather dominate for a decade than get a 33 year old Bron.

Bottomline is everyone that we have mentioned are bigs, we still need a guard to start, at least one. Fultz still fits that bill, we just need some patience. Who else we pick up and max out to do so, who knows, but i do believe we can get one.

Who cares if people would have made fun of the Sixers for drafting Giannis. It’s aboit getting it right. People laughed at the Knicks for taking Porzingis. They got it right. Many of the people who laugh at draft picks only know what the media tells them.

[the_process]

Saric was generally ranked around 10 in his class. He would’ve been higher if he was coming over immediately. I don’t think it’s a question Sam had Saric as a lotto pick.

I agree that Sam had Embiid over Wiggins, but didn’t think he was getting Embiid. Jojo was the #1 pick until he got hurt in his last pre-draft workout with CLE.

Sam also was clearly expecting Russell to be on the board in 2015, and when the Lakers took him it seems like there was major dissension in the Sixer ranks for the appropriate response.

[ivysixer2000]

why u guys settling on KP?

The real deal is passing up Giannis for Noel in 2013. Giannis, Healthy Fultz, RoCo, Simmons and Embiid would rock the league.

KP-Simmons-Embiid? Nice on 2K but not so nice in real life. If you have Embiid, you need better wing/guard talent. U can't concentrate the talent with ur bigs.

U can't play that game because Hinkie was going for Wiggins in 2014. He'd likely draft Wiggins over Biid, I'd guess. Other candidates he have? I think exum.

2015 draft sucks. But most has Hezonja and Winslow running for the top 5 picks. Both wings are more useless than Jah.

We lucked out in 2016. All failures did aligned for Ben.

I'm still high on Fultz. The shoulder thing is temporary. I'd rather have Fultz than a guard with PERMANENT broken shot mechanic and a guard that is PERMANENT midget.

There is no reason to keep crying over spilled milk.

Noone knew what Giannis would become, and we would've been made fun of for making that pick that high. Heck, who knows what that would've done to Giannis mentally, might've hurt his development. Something that I hope we aren't doing at the moment with Fultz.

We do have alot of moving parts on this team, so it gives us alot more options on who we can max out in free agency. I just hope we don't do something stupid and get a guy thats not the right guy. At the moment, if available, I would probably take Cousins over Bron...yeah I said it. Rather dominate for a decade than get a 33 year old Bron.

Bottomline is everyone that we have mentioned are bigs, we still need a guard to start, at least one. Fultz still fits that bill, we just need some patience. Who else we pick up and max out to do so, who knows, but i do believe we can get one.

Who cares if people would have made fun of the Sixers for drafting Giannis. It’s aboit getting it right. People laughed at the Knicks for taking Porzingis. They got it right. Many of the people who laugh at draft picks only know what the media tells them.

Hindsight is always 20/20.

At that time noone knew what Giannis was, heck he grew 3 inches after he was drafted. Easy to second guess after the fact, just like the picks right now, noone really knows which one will pan out yet.

[Unbreakable99]

Omg. Hinkie you big dummy.

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