New fan to Boston

[GoCeltics123]

It goes like this.

Toronto used to think Demar was Kobe.
Now they think Demar is Harden

When a bigman gets hot from the field he will go to the bench.
When Demars shots dont fall he whines to refs and doesnt go back on defense.
Demar doesnt like to defend and gambles on steals.

Lowry has a fat ass.

close game look to Iso out a win

CASEY BALL BABY

Always said he was a bottom 10 or 5 coach in the league.

there are more than 1 thread dedicated to his brilliance over there.

People that actually like him are the same who like coaches like Scott Brooks. Sure they can kind of develop players, but are just god awful in-game coaches. I saw a dude on your board who thought Stevens was on the same level as Casey, and I almost cried laughing. Another said that the line between mediocre coaches and great coaches is thin in the league, which is also a ludicrous statement.

It's like being a fan of coaches who don't coach. Delusional. Coaches like that never win titles (unless their name is Tyronn Lue, and he has LeBron) because they don't run plays and just ISO.

[Moose23]

CASEY BALL BABY

Always said he was a bottom 10 or 5 coach in the league.

there are more than 1 thread dedicated to his brilliance over there.

People that actually like him are the same who like coaches like Scott Brooks. Sure they can kind of develop players, but are just god awful in-game coaches. I saw a dude on your board who thought Stevens was on the same level as Casey, and I almost cried laughing. Another said that the line between mediocre coaches and great coaches is thin in the league, which is also a ludicrous statement.

It's like being a fan of coaches who don't coach. Delusional. Coaches like that never win titles (unless their name is Tyronn Lue, and he has LeBron) because they don't run plays and just ISO.

its because of the drivel that the media pumps out and the casual, loud mouthed fan swallows up like a baby bird.

Demar is Goat, lowry is better than irving, Serg is Malone, Casey is awesome

[truth18]

I watched Bargnani

I dig horror but I'm never seeing this movie.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

I watched Bargnani

I dig horror but I'm never seeing this movie.

It's a pretty good comedy, so long as he isn't on your team.

Watch on YouTube

[ermocrate]

I watched Bargnani

I dig horror but I'm never seeing this movie.

It's a pretty good comedy, so long as he isn't on your team.

Watch on YouTube

First, it's a foul, Second, Toronto simply destroyed the guy by forcing him to heavy lift to became a Center, he was a better version of Porzingis, it's just that the Raptors are a **** organization and he was ahead of his times, when 7 footers can only play center.

[Moose23]

I dig horror but I'm never seeing this movie.

It's a pretty good comedy, so long as he isn't on your team.

Watch on YouTube

First, it's a foul, Second, Toronto simply destroyed the guy by forcing him to heavy lift to became a Center, he was a better version of Porzingis, it's just that the Raptors are a **** organization and he was ahead of his times, when 7 footers can only play center.

i cannot disagree with that. they made him bulk up, then made him play some sf.

joke franchise.

[ermocrate]

It's a pretty good comedy, so long as he isn't on your team.

Watch on YouTube

First, it's a foul, Second, Toronto simply destroyed the guy by forcing him to heavy lift to became a Center, he was a better version of Porzingis, it's just that the Raptors are a **** organization and he was ahead of his times, when 7 footers can only play center.

i cannot disagree with that. they made him bulk up, then made him play some sf.

joke franchise.

I assure you he was fairly more talented than Gallinari when he played here, great shot, great court vision and excellent mobility, I'm really sad about what we lost as a country.

[brackdan70]

Have been a fan of toronto since mj retired

But the current state of the fanbase has forced me to switch teams.

Hopefully i will fit in with a more reasonable and classy fanbase over here in boston as the raptor board is far to insecure to be able to take any sort of criticism to, well, anything.

Anyone now a boston fan that used to follow other teams?

welcome aboard. I have been a die hard celtics fan all my 47 years, but have no affiliation with Boston. I am a Yankees fan and a Patriots hater.

Not all of us are reasonable all the time here , but we have a good mix of characters on this board. Some really knowledgable posters for sure.

[Duffman100]

I dig horror but I'm never seeing this movie.

It's a pretty good comedy, so long as he isn't on your team.

Watch on YouTube

First, it's a foul, Second, Toronto simply destroyed the guy by forcing him to heavy lift to became a Center, he was a better version of Porzingis, it's just that the Raptors are a **** organization and he was ahead of his times, when 7 footers can only play center.

okkkaaay. You can **** on the franchise, you can call us a dumpster fire, I'll take it.

But I draw the line at Bargnani. He wasn't a better version of Porzingis, Bargnani was an unmotivated tool. Sure we made him bulk up, but he was the most apathetic player I've ever seen don a uniform.

Bargnani couldn't tie KP's shoes. Bargnani is awful.

[ermocrate]

It's a pretty good comedy, so long as he isn't on your team.

Watch on YouTube

First, it's a foul, Second, Toronto simply destroyed the guy by forcing him to heavy lift to became a Center, he was a better version of Porzingis, it's just that the Raptors are a **** organization and he was ahead of his times, when 7 footers can only play center.

okkkaaay. You can **** on the franchise, you can call us a dumpster fire, I'll take it.

But I draw the line at Bargnani. He wasn't a better version of Porzingis, Bargnani was an unmotivated tool. Sure we made him bulk up, but he was the most apathetic player I've ever seen don a uniform.

Bargnani couldn't tie KP's shoes. Bargnani is awful.

Well, this is for sure a lack of knowledge, sure Andrea had not the grit of KP, never had that but he's not from LATVIA, he is Italian, so it's pretty normal for a 21 yo kid not raised in a BBall family(while in LATVIA they kill dogs with their bare hands at 10yo), he was playing at high levels just 2 years before he got called 1st overall and he wasn't even starting on the Benetton Treviso because he was preserved from coaches that let him grow at his pace. There was not even a comparison in both players skill level Bargnani was faily ahead but he just fell in the wrong situation and nobody in Toronto has invested in his growth, they just wanted a star right from the get go, if he was picked from THIS Boston he would have had time to develop and came along better. Also he probably would have played he stretch 4 that is his role, that role didn't exist back in the days for 7 footers. And why the hell did you draft him while TOR was Bosh team?

[Duffman100]

First, it's a foul, Second, Toronto simply destroyed the guy by forcing him to heavy lift to became a Center, he was a better version of Porzingis, it's just that the Raptors are a **** organization and he was ahead of his times, when 7 footers can only play center.

okkkaaay. You can **** on the franchise, you can call us a dumpster fire, I'll take it.

But I draw the line at Bargnani. He wasn't a better version of Porzingis, Bargnani was an unmotivated tool. Sure we made him bulk up, but he was the most apathetic player I've ever seen don a uniform.

Bargnani couldn't tie KP's shoes. Bargnani is awful.

Well, this is for sure a lack of knowledge, sure Andrea had not the grit of KP, never had that but he's not from LATVIA, he is Italian, so it's pretty normal for a 21 yo kid not raised in a BBall family(while in LATVIA they kill dogs with their bare hands at 10yo), he was playing at high levels just 2 years before he got called 1st overall and he wasn't even starting on the Benetton Treviso because he was preserved from coaches that let him grow at his pace. There was not even a comparison in both players skill level Bargnani was faily ahead but he just fell in the wrong situation and nobody in Toronto has invested in his growth, they just wanted a star right from the get go, if he was picked from THIS Boston he would have had time to develop and came along better. Also he probably would have played he stretch 4 that is his role, that role didn't exist back in the days for 7 footers. And why the hell did you draft him while TOR was Bosh team?

I watched Bargnani every game for 7 years. There's no lack of knowledge. Do you know who lacked investment in Bargnani? Bargnani.

At no point did he come out of an offseason with a different move or noticeable improvement to his game. His rookie year was his best year in many ways and that's a strong indictment on a player.

We drafted him to fill that stretch role since Bosh was largely a slashing big at that point. He wasn't Bosh from Miami, parked behind the 3 point line. There also wasn't a clear #1 in that draft. Some people wanted Rudy Gay, others wanted LMA, but that draft was a pretty big tire fire.

Problem was that Bargnani couldn't shoot consistently. And considering he's a god awful defender and rebounder, it was pretty terrible to watch him most days.

[ermocrate]

okkkaaay. You can **** on the franchise, you can call us a dumpster fire, I'll take it.

But I draw the line at Bargnani. He wasn't a better version of Porzingis, Bargnani was an unmotivated tool. Sure we made him bulk up, but he was the most apathetic player I've ever seen don a uniform.

Bargnani couldn't tie KP's shoes. Bargnani is awful.

Well, this is for sure a lack of knowledge, sure Andrea had not the grit of KP, never had that but he's not from LATVIA, he is Italian, so it's pretty normal for a 21 yo kid not raised in a BBall family(while in LATVIA they kill dogs with their bare hands at 10yo), he was playing at high levels just 2 years before he got called 1st overall and he wasn't even starting on the Benetton Treviso because he was preserved from coaches that let him grow at his pace. There was not even a comparison in both players skill level Bargnani was faily ahead but he just fell in the wrong situation and nobody in Toronto has invested in his growth, they just wanted a star right from the get go, if he was picked from THIS Boston he would have had time to develop and came along better. Also he probably would have played he stretch 4 that is his role, that role didn't exist back in the days for 7 footers. And why the hell did you draft him while TOR was Bosh team?

I watched Bargnani every game for 7 years. There's no lack of knowledge. Do you know who lacked investment in Bargnani? Bargnani.

At no point did he come out of an offseason with a different move or noticeable improvement to his game. His rookie year was his best year in many ways and that's a strong indictment on a player.

We drafted him to fill that stretch role since Bosh was largely a slashing big at that point. He wasn't Bosh from Miami, parked behind the 3 point line. There also wasn't a clear #1 in that draft. Some people wanted Rudy Gay, others wanted LMA, but that draft was a pretty big tire fire.

Problem was that Bargnani couldn't shoot consistently. And considering he's a god awful defender and rebounder, it was pretty terrible to watch him most days.

If you don't know the background of a player you lack knowkedge, his rookie year was his best year because got destroyed ove time fro toronto traines and doctors, not everybaody needs to be muscular to play ball.

[Duffman100]

If you don't know the background of a player you lack knowkedge, his rookie year was his best year because got destroyed ove time fro toronto traines and doctors, not everybaody needs to be muscular to play ball.

Right, so 7 NBA seasons and no development is 100% on the team. Uh huh...

[Moose23]

First, it's a foul, Second, Toronto simply destroyed the guy by forcing him to heavy lift to became a Center, he was a better version of Porzingis, it's just that the Raptors are a **** organization and he was ahead of his times, when 7 footers can only play center.

i cannot disagree with that. they made him bulk up, then made him play some sf.

joke franchise.

I assure you he was fairly more talented than Gallinari when he played here, great shot, great court vision and excellent mobility, I'm really sad about what we lost as a country.

If he was coming into the league now, teams would be clamoring for him.

A 7 footer who can shootm, handle the ball, had a flair for passing and was mobile as hell.

But because Howard played for Orlando, Toronto felt that the team needed a bigman who weighed 300 lbs, so on goes the weight, they take him out of his game and force him to post up, confidence drops and crowd boos him relentlessly.

Another example of how piss poor and reactionary of a franchise the raptors are. Toronto will always be 1 step behind the rest of the league as they refuse to start an nba trend and always follow behind and play catchup.

[Moose23]

okkkaaay. You can **** on the franchise, you can call us a dumpster fire, I'll take it.

But I draw the line at Bargnani. He wasn't a better version of Porzingis, Bargnani was an unmotivated tool. Sure we made him bulk up, but he was the most apathetic player I've ever seen don a uniform.

Bargnani couldn't tie KP's shoes. Bargnani is awful.

Well, this is for sure a lack of knowledge, sure Andrea had not the grit of KP, never had that but he's not from LATVIA, he is Italian, so it's pretty normal for a 21 yo kid not raised in a BBall family(while in LATVIA they kill dogs with their bare hands at 10yo), he was playing at high levels just 2 years before he got called 1st overall and he wasn't even starting on the Benetton Treviso because he was preserved from coaches that let him grow at his pace. There was not even a comparison in both players skill level Bargnani was faily ahead but he just fell in the wrong situation and nobody in Toronto has invested in his growth, they just wanted a star right from the get go, if he was picked from THIS Boston he would have had time to develop and came along better. Also he probably would have played he stretch 4 that is his role, that role didn't exist back in the days for 7 footers. And why the hell did you draft him while TOR was Bosh team?

I watched Bargnani every game for 7 years. There's no lack of knowledge. Do you know who lacked investment in Bargnani? Bargnani.

At no point did he come out of an offseason with a different move or noticeable improvement to his game. His rookie year was his best year in many ways and that's a strong indictment on a player.

We drafted him to fill that stretch role since Bosh was largely a slashing big at that point. He wasn't Bosh from Miami, parked behind the 3 point line. There also wasn't a clear #1 in that draft. Some people wanted Rudy Gay, others wanted LMA, but that draft was a pretty big tire fire.


Problem was that Bargnani couldn't shoot consistently. And considering he's a god awful defender and rebounder, it was pretty terrible to watch him most days.

Andrea best year was his first year because they let him play as himself that year. the second year they made him start to change his game and work postup etc.

He was a pretty decent man to man defender early on. but he had a fragile mind. and once things started to go south and the fans turned on him it was a lost cause. Bargnani should have had a much better career. And its not all on Andrea.

[Moose23]

If you don't know the background of a player you lack knowkedge, his rookie year was his best year because got destroyed ove time fro toronto traines and doctors, not everybaody needs to be muscular to play ball.

Right, so 7 NBA seasons and no development is 100% on the team. Uh huh...

9 season into demar and still no 3 pointer....

but in all seriousness,

Demar came into the league with glaring holes in his game as a shooting guard and every effort was made to make him better.

Bargnani came into the league as a round peg and the tried to force him into a square hole.

[Duffman100]

If you don't know the background of a player you lack knowkedge, his rookie year was his best year because got destroyed ove time fro toronto traines and doctors, not everybaody needs to be muscular to play ball.

Right, so 7 NBA seasons and no development is 100% on the team. Uh huh...

9 season into demar and still no 3 pointer....

but in all seriousness,

Demar came into the league with glaring holes in his game as a shooting guard and every effort was made to make him better.

Bargnani came into the league as a round peg and the tried to force him into a square hole.

Demar has made himself better. Demar has countless offensive moves and probably the best footwork of any NBA player. Demar put in the work to make Demar better.

What did Bargnani add to his game over the course of his NBA career?

[Moose23]

Right, so 7 NBA seasons and no development is 100% on the team. Uh huh...

9 season into demar and still no 3 pointer....

but in all seriousness,

Demar came into the league with glaring holes in his game as a shooting guard and every effort was made to make him better.

Bargnani came into the league as a round peg and the tried to force him into a square hole.

Demar has made himself better. Demar has countless offensive moves and probably the best footwork of any NBA player. Demar put in the work to make Demar better.

What did Bargnani add to his game over the course of his NBA career?

Yes, all Demar, I am sure that the team never afforded him any help at all...or guidance...all demar.

What do you think would have happened if after Demars first season he was told to put on 20-25 lbs of muscle and start shooting and making more 3pters and start guarding opposing teams Pfs.

Has demar improved more than Bargnani did, absolutely, but to state that all the error was on Bargnani is completely folly.

Same thing happened with JV, they wanted him bigger and stronger after rookier year, and this past offseason wanted him smaller and shooting 3s.

[Duffman100]

9 season into demar and still no 3 pointer....

but in all seriousness,

Demar came into the league with glaring holes in his game as a shooting guard and every effort was made to make him better.

Bargnani came into the league as a round peg and the tried to force him into a square hole.

Demar has made himself better. Demar has countless offensive moves and probably the best footwork of any NBA player. Demar put in the work to make Demar better.

What did Bargnani add to his game over the course of his NBA career?

Yes, all Demar, I am sure that the team never afforded him any help at all...or guidance...all demar.

What do you think would have happened if after Demars first season he was told to put on 20-25 lbs of muscle and start shooting and making more 3pters and start guarding opposing teams Pfs.

Has demar improved more than Bargnani did, absolutely, but to state that all the error was on Bargnani is completely folly.

Same thing happened with JV, they wanted him bigger and stronger after rookier year, and this past offseason wanted him smaller and shooting 3s.

What did Bargnani add to his game over the course of his NBA career?

[Moose23]

Demar has made himself better. Demar has countless offensive moves and probably the best footwork of any NBA player. Demar put in the work to make Demar better.

What did Bargnani add to his game over the course of his NBA career?

Yes, all Demar, I am sure that the team never afforded him any help at all...or guidance...all demar.

What do you think would have happened if after Demars first season he was told to put on 20-25 lbs of muscle and start shooting and making more 3pters and start guarding opposing teams Pfs.

Has demar improved more than Bargnani did, absolutely, but to state that all the error was on Bargnani is completely folly.

Same thing happened with JV, they wanted him bigger and stronger after rookier year, and this past offseason wanted him smaller and shooting 3s.

What did Bargnani add to his game over the course of his NBA career?

What did Toronto want him to add to his game? Size. Low Post Game.

Bargnani did add a couple of pretty weak low post moves and definitely added size. But that was entirely the wrong direction for him, therefore there was not much success from it. And in working to do so killed what he was good at coming into the league.

but regardless, this is not a place for discussing Toronto ineptitude at development of bigmen.

I joined up with the Celts to get away from such useless raptor drivel.