Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 2

[Qwigglez]

I think we could actually do Bledsoe/Chandler & 2018 Miami 1st for Shumpert/Frye & 2018 Nets 1st. I believe we could do two trades perhaps Bledsoe for Shumpert and the Cavs use their trade exception from Mike Dunleavy deal, and then Frye for Chandler and use their trade exception from the Kyrie Irving deal. Suns would likely have to give the Cavs a ton of cash since they'll be eating 10mil extra in salary this year.

Cavs aren't going to use Shumpert anyway when they got Korver and Smith (and the corpse of Wade). The Cavs also keep IT so he can come back for the playoffs.

Shumpert plays pretty solid defense, so Booker playing against him in practice everyday should make him better.

[skywalker33]

****, keep Beasley and mudiay if you're hung up on 4 "#1's". Them being first rounders stops mattering once they start playing. Does jokic have less value than mudiay because one was a lotto pick and the other a second rounder?

Talent is still talent.....it's just a CLEAR overvalue by the poster IMO, Bledsoe just doesn't hold that kind of value anymore with his injury history and now disgruntled attitude.

I'd wouldn't be surprised if he's still on the Suns roster by the trade deadline with what they're asking for in return.

Then keep your talent. Beasley and Juancho are having trouble finding playing time and that likely wouldn't change just because they are on the Suns. Mudiay is a career 37% FG shooter. Suns should not touch that. The only prospect the Suns should be interested in is Murray. If you guys are unwilling to trade him then cool. On to the next.

I suspect we will keep our player. While I like Bledsoe, his injury history really negates a lot of the value he has, if you're not on the court how much impact can you have ?? Juancho has mono, so that's why he isn't getting PT right now, he was one of the leading contributors on the Spanish Nat'l team and will get some time when he's back healthy. Beasley was recuperating from an injury he sustained right before the draft, and playing behind GHarris and Barton, granted he's only getting a few minutes but the guy has hustle and is earning his minutes while developing. Mudiay has had his shooting woes, but is improving, plus he's hit 3pters at a 40% clip, way better than Bledsoes has ever done with the Suns.

Most importantly, all three prospects are under 22yo, salary controlled and have shown upward development, I know I seen more of them than 95% of the Suns fans,

I stand by my evaluation of the posters proposal, it's an overvalue of Bledsoe, I can't see the Nuggets offering anywhere close to that. Nuggets are very high on both Beasley and Hernangomez as well as seeing the potential Mudiay has, most young PG's don't fully come into their own until 23-25yo and Mudiay is still just 21.

Over the summer, the only offer I heard was Mudiay & the 13th pick, now somehow his value has INCREASED even though he has stated he wants out ??? How does that happen ?

[harshey1388]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yaf48mqq

Suns out: Bled, Daniels & DJJ
Suns in: Frye, IT, Osman & Zizic

Is this good? Would be funny for IT to come back - he would have half of season to start and rebuild his value.

As much as I love IT I wouldn't want to see a PG rotation of IT/Ulis. It'd be horrible defensively.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Not really interested in exchanging picks or even getting meager swap rights...

Still think we can get two picks and space here, if nothing else. GSW and CLE having bad starts might have GMs a little optimistic.

[DirtyDez]

There are two teams that really NEED Bledsoe right now. Cleveland and Milwaukee. Cleveland most of all.

The Cavs are losing to Golden St with our without Bledsoe. I doubt they have much interest at all.

[matt131]

Talent is still talent.....it's just a CLEAR overvalue by the poster IMO, Bledsoe just doesn't hold that kind of value anymore with his injury history and now disgruntled attitude.

I'd wouldn't be surprised if he's still on the Suns roster by the trade deadline with what they're asking for in return.

Then keep your talent. Beasley and Juancho are having trouble finding playing time and that likely wouldn't change just because they are on the Suns. Mudiay is a career 37% FG shooter. Suns should not touch that. The only prospect the Suns should be interested in is Murray. If you guys are unwilling to trade him then cool. On to the next.

I suspect we will keep our player. While I like Bledsoe, his injury history really negates a lot of the value he has, if you're not on the court how much impact can you have ?? Juancho has mono, so that's why he isn't getting PT right now, he was one of the leading contributors on the Spanish Nat'l team and will get some time when he's back healthy. Beasley was recuperating from an injury he sustained right before the draft, and playing behind GHarris and Barton, granted he's only getting a few minutes but the guy has hustle and is earning his minutes while developing. Mudiay has had his shooting woes, but is improving, plus he's hit 3pters at a 40% clip, way better than Bledsoes has ever done with the Suns.

Most importantly, all three prospects are under 22yo, salary controlled and have shown upward development, I know I seen more of them than 95% of the Suns fans,

I stand by my evaluation of the posters proposal, it's an overvalue of Bledsoe, I can't see the Nuggets offering anywhere close to that. Nuggets are very high on both Beasley and Hernangomez as well as seeing the potential Mudiay has, most young PG's don't fully come into their own until 23-25yo and Mudiay is still just 21.

Over the summer, the only offer I heard was Mudiay & the 13th pick, now somehow his value has INCREASED even though he has stated he wants out ??? How does that happen ?

Just because he wants out doesn't mean his value goes down. Teams now know we will trade him/teams know he is attainable. If more than one team wants him, that drives his price up.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Talent is still talent.....it's just a CLEAR overvalue by the poster IMO, Bledsoe just doesn't hold that kind of value anymore with his injury history and now disgruntled attitude.

I'd wouldn't be surprised if he's still on the Suns roster by the trade deadline with what they're asking for in return.

Then keep your talent. Beasley and Juancho are having trouble finding playing time and that likely wouldn't change just because they are on the Suns. Mudiay is a career 37% FG shooter. Suns should not touch that. The only prospect the Suns should be interested in is Murray. If you guys are unwilling to trade him then cool. On to the next.

I suspect we will keep our player. While I like Bledsoe, his injury history really negates a lot of the value he has, if you're not on the court how much impact can you have ?? Juancho has mono, so that's why he isn't getting PT right now, he was one of the leading contributors on the Spanish Nat'l team and will get some time when he's back healthy. Beasley was recuperating from an injury he sustained right before the draft, and playing behind GHarris and Barton, granted he's only getting a few minutes but the guy has hustle and is earning his minutes while developing. Mudiay has had his shooting woes, but is improving, plus he's hit 3pters at a 40% clip, way better than Bledsoes has ever done with the Suns.

Most importantly, all three prospects are under 22yo, salary controlled and have shown upward development, I know I seen more of them than 95% of the Suns fans,

I stand by my evaluation of the posters proposal, it's an overvalue of Bledsoe, I can't see the Nuggets offering anywhere close to that. Nuggets are very high on both Beasley and Hernangomez as well as seeing the potential Mudiay has, most young PG's don't fully come into their own until 23-25yo and Mudiay is still just 21.

Over the summer, the only offer I heard was Mudiay & the 13th pick, now somehow his value has INCREASED even though he has stated he wants out ??? How does that happen ?

We didn't take that deal, you know. But yeah - that was cap space and a back-of-the-lottery pick in a very good draft. You don't have that to offer ATM.

[Qwigglez]

Talent is still talent.....it's just a CLEAR overvalue by the poster IMO, Bledsoe just doesn't hold that kind of value anymore with his injury history and now disgruntled attitude.

I'd wouldn't be surprised if he's still on the Suns roster by the trade deadline with what they're asking for in return.

Then keep your talent. Beasley and Juancho are having trouble finding playing time and that likely wouldn't change just because they are on the Suns. Mudiay is a career 37% FG shooter. Suns should not touch that. The only prospect the Suns should be interested in is Murray. If you guys are unwilling to trade him then cool. On to the next.

I suspect we will keep our player. While I like Bledsoe, his injury history really negates a lot of the value he has, if you're not on the court how much impact can you have ?? Juancho has mono, so that's why he isn't getting PT right now, he was one of the leading contributors on the Spanish Nat'l team and will get some time when he's back healthy. Beasley was recuperating from an injury he sustained right before the draft, and playing behind GHarris and Barton, granted he's only getting a few minutes but the guy has hustle and is earning his minutes while developing. Mudiay has had his shooting woes, but is improving, plus he's hit 3pters at a 40% clip, way better than Bledsoes has ever done with the Suns.

Most importantly, all three prospects are under 22yo, salary controlled and have shown upward development, I know I seen more of them than 95% of the Suns fans,

I stand by my evaluation of the posters proposal, it's an overvalue of Bledsoe, I can't see the Nuggets offering anywhere close to that. Nuggets are very high on both Beasley and Hernangomez as well as seeing the potential Mudiay has, most young PG's don't fully come into their own until 23-25yo and Mudiay is still just 21.

Over the summer, the only offer I heard was Mudiay & the 13th pick, now somehow his value has INCREASED even though he has stated he wants out ??? How does that happen ?

So you are also trading injured players too?

You're not selling me on Mudiay. He's a terrible shooter. He made 6 3's out of 15 to start the year. I doubt he keeps it up. Plus, he's due a contract extension soon. By the time he's offered a contract he's what, 23 years old? Same age the Suns gave out a contract to another lights out shooter named Brandon Knight.

Bledsoe's value increases when other teams are asking about him. He can help a team compete/contend now. Mudiay is still a prospect.

[Qwigglez]

Not really interested in exchanging picks or even getting meager swap rights...

Still think we can get two picks and space here, if nothing else. GSW and CLE having bad starts might have GMs a little optimistic.

If you are referring to my deal, it seems plausible. Frye would be a good vet to have, likely could teach Bender/Chriss about how to space the floor correctly. Shumpert again, would be solid to have for at least practice purposes with Booker. Frye also expires end of the year, and we shed a ton of salary. Not that we'd use it anyway.

I think it also makes sense on the Cavs side as they seem to be struggling right now and Lebron could use some help both offensively and defensively.

[LukasBMW]

The Miami pick could very well be better then the Brooklyn pick. (perhaps not by much, but still)

Very possible both could be late lottery.

I'd hate to end up trading Bledsoe and #8 for #11. (As it currently stands)

Not much better if we trade Bledsoe and #13 for #10. (Assuming Miami just misses the playoffs but Brooklyn doesn't suck as hard as they did last year)

[LukasBMW]

Amazing at how hyped Exum and Mudiay were coming out...now both are worthless.

I understand that with guys now coming into the league at 19, it takes them 3-4 years to sometimes blossom into good players, but neither guy has shown much. So much for the next Penny Hardaway and Russel Westbrook.

[NTB]

So Zizic we like, how about Osman? 6'8" SG/SF to back up booker? Is he any good?

I mentioned this earlier. Osman is a good prospect.

[Biff]

So Zizic we like, how about Osman? 6'8" SG/SF to back up booker? Is he any good?

Osman is an okay prospect.He's a decent shooter if left open has good vision. He's also a good rebounder for his size. If he was a little stronger I'd say he could play small ball 4 but he's also rather thin. I like Zizic more.

Edit: I wouldn't say no to landing Osman but we're kind of crowded at the position he plays. We'd need a backup for Len if we trade Chandler.

[TeamTragic]

How does Philly not consider trading for Bled at this point? He'd fit perfectly next to Simmons - give us Fultz and we throw in Miami pick

Read on Twitter

Sixers say rookie Markelle Fultz is out indefinitely with soreness & scapular muscle imbalance in his right shoulder.Re-evaluated in 3 weeks

It's getting comical how every high pick the Sixers have had in the past billion years ends up injured for their entire rookie season. It's just ... weird.

HINKIE CURSE

[sunsfever68]

Now is the time to pounce and do everything you can to do Bled/Chandler for salary filler+Nets pick unprotected.

Cavs are struggling, get them while they're weak so it levels the playing field that Bledsoe wants out making the scales more even in terms of who is more desperate.

The Cavs need an upgrade off the bench and Rose isn't cutting it.

If you can get the Nets pick back (the Nets will be a lotto team they're not winning anything this year) back for Bled+Chandler that's solid because you want to stack as many assets to get two top 4-5 draft picks this draft and take Bagley/Ayton Ideally.

Booker/Jackson/Bagley/Ayton with Chriss/Bender/Ulis/Warren as the bench is a good young core.

[Damkac]

Any Cleveland deal that don't include Nets pick is a big fat NO!

[TeamTragic]

Any Cleveland deal that don't include Nets pick is a big fat NO!

Exactly. Lebron is desperate and we are not giving any handouts.

[BobbieL]

Now is the time to pounce and do everything you can to do Bled/Chandler for salary filler+Nets pick unprotected.

Cavs are struggling, get them while they're weak so it levels the playing field that Bledsoe wants out making the scales more even in terms of who is more desperate.

The Cavs need an upgrade off the bench and Rose isn't cutting it.

If you can get the Nets pick back (the Nets will be a lotto team they're not winning anything this year) back for Bled+Chandler that's solid because you want to stack as many assets to get two top 4-5 draft picks this draft and take Bagley/Ayton Ideally.

Booker/Jackson/Bagley/Ayton with Chriss/Bender/Ulis/Warren as the bench is a good young core.

to move Chandler to the Cavs - that means taking back a guy like Thompson I think or taking back Isiah Thomas with Frye and Shumpert

I don't see a fit with the Cavs for both Chandler and Bledsoe

[RedIndian]

How about Dennis Schroeder for Bledsoe?

Hawks aren't too keen on Schroeder apparently after his misdemeanour battery charge.

He'd fit really well next to Booker.

[TeamTragic]

How about Dennis Schroeder for Bledsoe?

Hawks aren't too keen on Schroeder apparently after his misdemeanour battery charge.

He'd fit really well next to Booker.

We don't need the Morris Brothers Part 2. PASS